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Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago#137,452
What you're not getting is what these cases reveal about the current atmosphere in America. The very fact the justification for murder against two of the demographics considered the most untouchable in America (rich people and kids) is being debated this intensely shows you Americans have moved past considering violence unacceptable. Violence is now an acceptable form of speech in America not just in reality but in the minds of Americans. Naturally Americans will never agree on who that violence needs to be directed towards so expect some very turbulent years ahead for America.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 36 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,913
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Reading comprehension isn't what it used to be. Violence is common in America yes but my point was about whether American people believed the violence was justified. They're increasingly identifying with the murderers instead of the victims
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,917
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Okay point to some relevant examples of this kind of politically motivated support of a murderer from the past.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,921
@1,455,919 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Eh you know what fair enough but I'd argue America developed more of an aversion to violence throughout the 60s and 70s. I suppose it would be most accurate to describe this current sentiment as a return to the past for America. A past fraught with violence mind you
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,924
Everything in the current political discourse is really just grievances about Obama. Even if that sounds absurd at first, if you think about it a little bit, it’s true. Why did Trump want a Nobel peace prize so badly? Because Obama received one. Why is there a war in Iran? Because Trump got rid of the Iranian nuclear deal because Obama did it. Why does the right have this thing against DEI and affirmative action calling blacks low IQ and insisting that black people don’t belong in higher education? Because Obama went to Harvard. It’s all just grievances against Obama because he’s black but he somehow managed to lead the country for 8 years and now all the old white people have been having an identity crisis ever since.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 28 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,925
@1,455,922 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
A steady decade of increasing violence at home by now. A generation grown up watching political assassinations, mass shootings, and support for violence on social media. A very interesting future ahead of us
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,455,926
@previous (A)
Idk, I mean, I probably shouldn’t feel this way, but I honestly feel like I find it hard to care. I remember being in elementary school when there was news about the sandy hook shooting. Back then it was somewhat shocking but then as I grew up every year it happened over and over again to the point where people just sorta stopped even talking about it. The US has very little political will to ever actually change anything.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,928
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
It's interesting because I do think Americans are accepting or rather returning to an acceptance of violence but I also believe there's a lot of apathy regarding possible fixes as you say. I imagine "lone wolf" attacks may just become more common and we'll increasingly see people politicize those trials on social media. It's almost like life in America is becoming reality TV
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,929
The Mangione thing is a public tired of all-powerful corporations determining what we get and treating our consumption as a given. We are honored to pay what they ask for services and products they deem fit to provide. Especially with insurance, which contorts to avoid paying for care.
The Clancy thing is femosphere psychopathy from True Crime-obsessed Karens who have projected their traumas, post partum issues, daddy issues, and conspiracy theories (father did it) onto the case. Yet another mark against the #BelieveHer bullshit.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,930
I’m actually not really even interested in politics. I don’t like the two party system. It’s absurd to think there are only two positions you can have on any given issue. And this doesn’t have anything to do with what I think, but what does someone’s opinions about abortion have to do with their opinion on taxes? It pairs together different topics in a way that makes no sense. And this whole idea that we can just freely and openly debate and will arrive at something sane is ridiculous. That’s not what actually happens when you have hoards of emotional people getting riled up by their fears.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,934
Although it is a consequence of statistics that things in our universe generally tend toward chaos over time. Not always though. But you would expect any system to fall apart given enough time.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,942
It’s also important to recognize that modern tech enables the mobilization of stupid in new and novel ways that look like a false consensus. It’s not. Stupid and delusional people are highly motivated. They’re also more willing to attempt to shame, stalk, and shout down naysayers with canned accusations.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,943
@previous (E)
I’m honestly a little afraid for the future of the US. I mean, I’ve interacted with students, so adults, who learned how to code after generative AI, learning how to code is one thing, learning how to read and write is another thing. I wouldn’t be shocked if we have an illiterate civilization someday at this rate.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,944
If you can’t even explain to an adult why they shouldn’t paste their CS homework into an AI chatbot, imagine explaining to an 8 year old why they need to learn how to write an essay. Especially at any sub par school where the teachers don’t really care.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,951
@previous (A)
Radio was around back then. Just look at what happened in Germany. New forms of communication have always coincided with mass political movements.
> Radio was around back then. Just look at what happened in Germany. New forms of communication have always coincided with mass political movements.
Absolutely. Great example. His use of aircraft to fly to locations was a big deal because it was novel. Triumph of the Will makes it look like he’s descending from the heavens.
The Internet let all the ranters and people who put photocopied fliers on your car at the mall network into a big, stupid hive mind. It is, of course, divided into various obsessions and parochial interests. At first you had fliers by Internet - email forwards, Usenet postings, shitty Angelfire sites. Then they congregated. Then social media happened, allowing bot farms to sway public opinion.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 29 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,972
@previous (G)
I had to watch triumph of the will for a class one time. It’s interesting how it’s a whole Nazi propaganda film and it contains surprisingly few racist lines. I think the one racist line I remember is some guy talking about the "purity of German blood" or something (I’m paraphrasing). Compared to modern far right rhetoric it was surprisingly tame.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 59 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,973
It was pretty funny though watching Hitler give a speech to a crowd of Hitler youth saying he wanted the youth of Germany to be "peace loving" he should have been a comedian instead of a politician.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,974
I mean, literally, a dictator filled up a stadium with young boys he made dress up like soldiers and lectured to them about being peace loving, hilarious stuff.
> I had to watch triumph of the will for a class one time. It’s interesting how it’s a whole Nazi propaganda film and it contains surprisingly few racist lines. I think the one racist line I remember is some guy talking about the "purity of German blood" or something (I’m paraphrasing). Compared to modern far right rhetoric it was surprisingly tame.
It was cleaned up and packaged well to attract support. It omitted the baser Goebbels and Streicher efforts. There is an “intellectual” portion of the far right that has more veneer, is more statistical, like the Occidental Observer.
> Why does the right have this thing against DEI and affirmative action calling blacks low IQ and insisting that black people don’t belong in higher education? Because Obama went to Harvard.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 40 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,982
@previous (J)
Why should the test be race blind if students of different races don’t receive the same education before college? That doesn’t make sense.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,983
@1,455,978 (I)
Honestly, that kind of surprised me though. Seeing as modern Neo Nazis are idiots. There’s one Nazi prison gang for example in the US called the Aryan Brotherhood, and they’ll get Sinn Fein tattoos. Which is really stupid because Sinn Fein is a left wing Irish nationalist political party, so they’re social democrats who happen to be nationalists, as in they’re republicans who support Irish independence, they’re not national socialists. Now obviously I don’t like the real Nazis from the 1930s and 1940s, but when I look at Trump and I look at Hitler, it’s hard to say Trump is smarter than Hitler. I can’t say that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,984
And some people might point out that the IRA got funding from the Nazis, which is true, that did happen (although it was very limited)… but they also got funding from the Soviet Union.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 35 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,985
@1,455,982 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
It makes sense that someone with a remedial education wouldn't be prepared for advanced classes.
There are also tests that can be used that don't test knowledge, like an IQ test. There's no history questions, no literary trivia, just can you pick the next step in the pattern.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 54 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,986
@previous (J)
Sure, advanced classes. You realize that when you start off at a four year college they don’t just drop you into 400 level classes right off the bat, right?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,987
Finding the next step in a pattern would be a stupid way to test people for college entrance, because it doesn’t say anything about what you actually know. Even the SAT is sort of a dumb metric because I study computer science for example, the SAT has basically nothing to do with computer science, and the math section is just basic algebra, it has nothing to do with discrete math or linear algebra or probability or anything that’s actually useful in CS. You can’t determine whether someone is a good fit for a particular major based on their IQ.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,988
But you’re missing the point anyway, I’m advocating for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I’m saying that everyone should get the same opportunity to have an education. If someone grew up in a poor neighborhood, say the south side of Chicago or something, they didn’t have rich parents, they went to a school that didn’t have a lot of funding, it’s not that kid’s fault they didn’t get as good of an education as a kid from a wealthy family, so they shouldn’t just be cut off from opportunity due to an accident of birth, because that isn’t fair.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 54 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,989
@1,455,986 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Yeah, and they still had the SAT requirements for a reason.
Someone can go to the library in high school and study for the SAT, because that is a knowledge test.
Or if they get their life stable later, they can prepare, apply, and join as an older student.
Lower the standards for one group and that group will be playing catch up. If that is what pushes them from passing to dropping out, the higher drop out rates will be another sign of white supremacy.
> Finding the next step in a pattern would be a stupid way to test people for college entrance, because it doesn’t say anything about what you actually know.
It predicts a lot of different things, and there's a large amount of data showing so.
> Even the SAT is sort of a dumb metric because I study computer science for example, the SAT has basically nothing to do with computer science, and the math section is just basic algebra, it has nothing to do with discrete math or linear algebra or probability or anything that’s actually useful in CS. You can’t determine whether someone is a good fit for a particular major based on their IQ.
IQ predicts higher scores in many different subjects.
Anonymous J double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 50 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,992
@1,455,990 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Because it's a business that needs customers, and DEI is a way to make a lot of money on the backs of minorities.
You'd be fighting for subprime loan approvals in 2005.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,993
@1,455,991 (J)
Be real. If you had a guy with a 100 IQ who has a degree in biochemistry and you have a guy with a 140 IQ who never took any biology or chemistry class after high school, if you tested them on biochemistry, the 100 IQ guy would smoke the 140 IQ guy.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,998
Look, you’ve already said you’re a racist before. I know that you don’t like black people. You obviously have selfish motivations and you want to keep black people from becoming successful due to some deep rooted insecurity you have. That’s great, you can kick and scream and cry about it until the day you die, but you don’t actually have any power to stop me.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,455,999
@1,455,997 (J)
On average, people who go to college earn about a million dollars more over their lifetime than people who don’t go to college. Very few people aren’t intelligent enough to work in any particular field. There isn’t a field that exists that the average person isn’t smart enough to be successful at, that’s nonsense.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,000
@1,455,998 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Remember that the disagreement in this thread is that one of us wants race to be a factor and one doesn't.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 12 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,002
@1,455,999 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
People that own luxury cars make more money in their lifetime. Are you going to go into debt to buy a luxury car and hope that works out?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 21 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,003
@1,456,000 (J)
Yes I do want race to be a factor because I care about fairness and the conditions that people of different races experience in this country aren’t the same and you can’t pretend that they’re the same.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,005
@previous (J)
You can’t see how that isn’t actually fair? When I was in high school I had an engineering graduate student tutor me in math. That’s not the same as telling a 16 year old to go open a math textbook and read it. Anyone can see how that’s dumb.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 18 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,012
@1,456,009 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
It's parasitism, these groups refuse to change and stay permanently behind, and then keep demanding more resources.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 21 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,021
I don’t understand, in the world that we live in, if I’m intelligent and I want to do what’s in my best interest, why shouldn’t I seek resources, seek power, and seek knowledge? If I’m smart isn’t that inherently what I should do?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 18 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,023
@1,456,020 (J)
Right, so if it’s in my best interest, why would you be upset that I would want something that’s explicitly in my self interest when that’s what any rational person would always do?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 24 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,024
@1,456,022 (J)
Well you’re the one who said that you have a problem with black people seeking power and resources. I don’t see a problem with me seeking power and resources.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,029
@previous (J)
If you just want your own space, why do you want to make it harder for black people to get into college? If you just want your own space, why are you threatened by my will to power? If your existence doesn’t hurt me in any way, you should recognize that there’s no reason why I would hurt you if I had power over you.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,030
You see when I see people who want to be successful, I tend to encourage them. I don’t sit back and complain that they have a rational self interest to advantage themselves, I’ll help them do it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 53 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,032
@previous (J)
I didn’t say it was a contradiction, but you correctly identified that it is for me by protesting something I didn’t explicitly claim and I expected you to do this because you’re not intelligent.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 32 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,036
@1,456,034 (J)
See, you are a racist. There’s no reason why I should think that you have my best interests in mind. That is why it is my goal to gain power over you so that even if you don’t like me there’s nothing you can do about it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,048
You can really be so weak that you want the government to step in to stop me from being successful because you think you can’t compete with me. That’s pathetic. You haven’t even won at anything. You just have some childish fantasy born out of insecurity that if you hurt me that will make you feel better about yourself. Except you can’t actually hurt me in any tangible way because you have no power.
> You said there's nothing I could do about it, but it looks like I voted for the right guy!
@1,456,047 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
The articles explain how they did it legally, was any of that unclear?
@1,456,048 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No, the government stepped in to tell universities and business who to hire, and forced them to consider race.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,053
@1,456,049 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
That has nothing to do with what I said.
You said it wouldn't happen, but it just happened.
This is how democracies work. The majority of voters picked the guy who said we shouldn't have DEI mandates, and now those are ending.
Don't like the democratic system, and want the government to actively get involved to discriminate to "make things equal"? Try South Africa! They already have the systme you want.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,054
If you’re going to oppose something you should at least know what it is. The government never mandated that universities need to use race in college applications, it was just that they could use race as a factor if they wanted to.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 28 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,056
@1,456,052 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
They explicitly say they are giving preference to certain groups, and then data shows those groups have lower test scores when admitted.
It's not a secret, and there's data like the Harvard entrance exam data that was made public.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,059
@1,456,054 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
The courts would determine racism suits based on disparite impact.
If they didn't lower requirements for those groups, they would fail the disparite impact test and be paying big fines.
If the government financially destroys institutions that don't comply with that test, then they don't have a choice. Some of them wanted to anyway, but it was still legally mandated.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,060
How come you’re all over the place? You can’t decide if you’re upset about black people having too much power or if you’re upset about Donald Trump or what you’re upset about.
> In practice this is just "POC" intruding on white spaces and demanding access and power. > > Then when the whites leave, it's white flight and abandonment, then they form a new institution and POC demand access to that. > > Whites leave blacks alone, blacks demand the attention and resources of whites.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,066
Maybe don’t say you didn’t say something right after you said it. You can’t decide what you’re mad about. You can’t decide if it’s affirmative action, if it’s about Trump not oppressing black people hard enough for you, or if it’s about whatever the fuck a "white space" is. The only consistent thing is you’re always against black people. That’s the only consistent thing about you.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,069
You started yapping about Trump taking DEI away after I was talking about how I have aspirations as if you think that Trump being president will stop me from being successful somehow.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 8 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,072
@1,456,068 (J)
You know what you’re doing. You know why you brought up Trump, don’t bullshit me with "I didn’t say that" you didn’t have to say it, I know why you say what you say.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 24 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,075
@1,456,069 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No, you asked twice, and twice I told you that I was responding to you saying "I can't do anything about DEI".
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 50 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,076
You don’t even like Trump, you just hate black people and you think that Trump is bad for black people, that’s the only reason why you brought Trump up. And you’re upset that I don’t like Trump that’s why you started complaining about "how democracy works." I don’t have to support Trump just because he won an election. That would be democratic centralism.
You implied that if I don’t like Trump that means I don’t like democracy. That means you believe that I can only be a supporter of democracy if I support Trump because Trump won an election. That’s what democratic centralism is. That’s a Leninist idea.
> That has nothing to do with what I said. > > You said it wouldn't happen, but it just happened. > > This is how democracies work. The majority of voters picked the guy who said we shouldn't have DEI mandates, and now those are ending. > > Don't like the democratic system, and want the government to actively get involved to discriminate to "make things equal"? Try South Africa! They already have the systme you want.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 8 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,080
@1,456,077 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Yes, when a group of people demands access to a space they aren't prepared for and then complain and try to change everything, that's going to make people racist.
I never denied being a racist, why are you acting like this was ever a secret?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 43 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,082
You keep yapping about "white spaces" but you never define what it is or say which spaces are white spaces. Nothing is a white space. I’m white anyway.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,083
But seriously, explain to me what a white space is and why you need it. Do you pee in the white room? You’re not a woman, we’re both men. You don’t need a separate private space to feel comfortable.
There are spaces that have standards, even standards that allow a qualified black person enter.
Then the people who can't get in bitch and demand access anyway, and when they come in the benefits of the gatekeeping is gone. It's another public square and what made the place special is gone.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,086
I’m an American citizen, this country is my country. It’s not a country for white people, America is for Americans. And I’m also white anyway, so it’s not like that would even be a valid argument that you’re trying to make.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,087
@1,456,085 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
None of these places called themselves white spaces, it was the woke that said these standards made it white supremacist.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,088
Really what you’re trying to say is stupid. If you don’t think I belong in whatever your idea of a "white space" is because I’m black, white Americans are black people. So if your definition of a white person is someone who isn’t black, nobody in America is white. Plenty of white Americans who look completely white take DNA tests and find out they’re part black and it’s the same with black Americans when they take DNA tests, most black Americans are part white. Almost everyone in this country is mixed race, they just don’t realize it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 12 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,093
I also don’t understand this concept of "protecting spaces." You seem real defensive about these "white spaces" even though you can’t tell me what they are or where they are. Don’t get me wrong, I love black spaces. I just don’t care about protecting them because I mean, look at this.
How is anybody ever going to figure out how to get rid of all this black space? In a trillion years nobody will ever figure out how to do anything about it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,094
Imagine thinking your race is superior when you live on the big white dot and the furthest your species has ever traveled in its 300,000 year existence is the little white dot. That would be pretty fucking silly!
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc septuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,095
There are 100 to 400 billion stars in the galaxy, the closest star to the sun is 4 light years away and it would take us thousands of years with our current technology to even get any object from here to the nearest star system. Humanity is a tiny uncontacted tribe. Nothing humans have ever done from any race is anything, we aren’t even ants. Arrogance is for fools.
> I also don’t understand this concept of "protecting spaces." You seem real defensive about these "white spaces" even though you can’t tell me what they are or where they are. Don’t get me wrong, I love black spaces. I just don’t care about protecting them because I mean, look at this. > > How is anybody ever going to figure out how to get rid of all this black space? In a trillion years nobody will ever figure out how to do anything about it.
I specifically designed the infinite cosmos this way at the beginning of time so that you could make this joke.
Anonymous J replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,162
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You keep putting quotes around it like I said it, and you ignore what I actually said about how these spaces were open to anyone that could do well on admissions.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 59 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,167
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I mean sure thats true but to be honest, Black people never needed DEI to get hired anyway. Blacks will still get into the colleges and will still get the higher paid jobs. It doesn’t matter not one bit if the big boss at the top is white because what can they do? Nothing. If whites are all pro Skill-Based Merit then when a black/brown comes in and proves their merit really there’s nothing they can do to block them from opportunities because they cannot risk the optics and the potential of reinstating DEI mandates.
so really it’s not much of a celebration for white Americans as they’re kinda of fucked anyway lol
they’re still going to have to look at blacks taking over positions. In higher education, in high skill work places, everywhere.
Obama was merely a demo. Theres a lot more like him in the U.S. the only thing white people should pray every night is the prevention of a black trump becoming president.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,172
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I honestly don’t understand the whole attitude some racist white people have that they don’t want blacks to be successful. The whole IQ thing is bullshit too. I’ve worked on software at hackathons with other students of different ethnicities, the whole idea that I shouldn’t study CS because I’m black and "black people are low IQ" is dumb, I know damn well I’ve worked on projects with white students and Asian students who weren’t as good at programming as me. In the past I wondered why social Darwinism appealed to anybody. Because social Darwinism is the idea that your fate should be predetermined genetically by your birth and intelligence is innate and there’s nothing you can do to become smarter. Which sounds like a stupid thing to believe because it doesn’t encourage you to try harder. But what I’ve come to realize is racist whites are just lazy and entitled, they don’t want to work hard, they don’t want to be any smarter so the idea that intelligence is predetermined by their birth is comforting to them because it supports their entitlement that they don’t have to apply themselves and work hard or compete with others and they should just be handed everything because they’re white.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 8 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,173
One of the issues though that I see in general, and this isn’t just about racists or social darwinists, it’s about our society in general. I feel like our society tells people that everything is their fault, that’s one of the downsides of the whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" (ironic because the phrase was created to show the ridiculousness of it because that’s an obviously impossible task) the whole "don’t be jealous just focus on yourself" and the whole "the rules are the rules deal with it" that entire attitude in America, is kind of bullshit. Because when you’re so individualistic and you just focus on yourself, it can create a feeling of inadequacy, because there’s such a prevalent cultural attitude that authority is always morally just and if it doesn’t work for you or it’s unfair to you, you’re just lazy or stupid or something and there’s no excuse. And I think, this isn’t limited to racist beliefs, but for someone who actually believes that intelligence is innate and immutable, which I think a lot of people who aren’t racists believe, people will see a hard task and think, "I could never do that, that’s for smart people and I’m not smart" so they never try. But one of them best things is just actually putting yourself out there, because most people don’t try very hard. And I think people don’t always realize that. But it’s actually much easier than maybe you would think to be competitive, because most people aren’t really trying. Comparing myself to others actually boosted my confidence by a huge amount compared to when I wasn’t.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,456,174
But this whole IQ bullshit the other guy is pushing about blacks being stupid, it’s like, first off, I had to take an IQ test and I scored higher than 98% of my peers, so first off the idea black people have low IQs is bullshit and doesn’t apply to me. But even if it did, the idea that you could take one number and know if you’re better or worse than a certain percentage of people, that’s bullshit. You shouldn’t just assume you’re worse than other people or you’re average or that you’re better than other people based on a test score, you should actually go out there and assume you can, because the risk of being wrong is tiny compared to the benefit of being right.
Anonymous J replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,199
@1,456,172 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc) > I honestly don’t understand the whole attitude some racist white people have that they don’t want blacks to be successful.
lol
"I think blacks should be held to the same standards as whites"
"You don't want black people to be successfull!?"
Literally unable to tell the difference between equal treatment and hostility.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,203
You don’t believe in equality, you’ve said multiple times that you think blacks and whites aren’t equal, yet you’re claiming you want to hold blacks and whites to the same standard anyway. It’s illogical. I don’t know why you even tell such obvious lies, it’s disrespectful.
Anonymous J replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,205
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I said they aren't equal on average, but the "racist" systems you complain about still allow blacks that meet the standards to get in.
You're the one advocating for racial discrimination, I'm the one advocating for race blind tests.
"When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." —Thomas Sowell
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,215
Sometimes I wonder if you’re just the most boldface liar I’ve ever talked to or if you’re actually so stupid you really can’t understand the logical flaws in your own assertions.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,216
If you really are stupid though, you have told me before you’re a racist. Yet you’re trying to portray it like you don’t have some innate bias against black people, which makes no sense because by virtue of being a racist, you do by definition. So either you’re lying to me, or you’re being honest about your beliefs, but you completely lack the ability to reflect upon your own reasoning and don’t recognize the emotional source of your own beliefs. Which would basically make you a robot and less of a human.
> I said they aren't equal on average, but the "racist" systems you complain about still allow blacks that meet the standards to get in. > > You're the one advocating for racial discrimination, I'm the one advocating for race blind tests. > > "When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." —Thomas Sowell
This makes no sense. You’re saying blacks and whites aren’t equal, but you’re saying the system that makes them unequal is fair, while also saying we should compare them as if they’re equal. That’s completely inconsistent and contradictory reasoning.
Anonymous J replied with this 2 weeks ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,222
@1,456,216 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I said blacks are on average doing worse, and that those exceptions who do well should still be allowed in. That's not a contradiction.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,223
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It doesn’t make sense. You’re saying that blacks don’t perform as well as whites but you want to hold blacks and whites to the same standard as if conditions for blacks and whites are the same and fair when they’re obviously not.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,226
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Because your citations were completely irrelevant and didn’t answer the question of how it’s fair to treat people’s situations as equal when they’re not equal.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,229
You’ve said multiple times that you think blacks and whites aren’t equal, but you’re arguing we should hold them to an equal standard. You’ve never explained how that’s justifiable. It goes against the concept of fairness.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,230
Because look at it this way: men and women don’t compete together in sports, because men are naturally more athletically capable than women are. I think that black people are oppressed and that we need temporary measures in order to uplift black people to create a more equal society in order to strengthen our nation. You believe that blacks have low IQs because they’re genetically inferior to whites. If that’s the case, wouldn’t we need affirmative action forever in order to ensure that the competition is fair?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,231
If black people really were biologically less intelligent than white people, then out of fairness, black people should never be held to the same standard as white people and black people should always be given an advantage in everything to level the playing field. It wouldn’t be fair to make a woman run a race against a man, we don’t do that. If that’s really what you’re arguing that blacks are biologically inferior, then out of fairness, we should rig everything in favor of black people forever.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quintuple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,456,232
For example, when you go to the grocery store, the handicapped parking spaces are at the front of the store, they’re not in the back far away. It would make more sense to advantage the disadvantaged. You can’t explain why we should disadvantage the already disadvantaged. It’s impossible to defend that position.
For example, when you go to the grocery store, the handicapped parking spaces are at the front of the store, they’re not in the back far away. It would make more sense to advantage the disadvantaged. You can’t explain why we should disadvantage the already disadvantaged. It’s impossible to defend that position.
Anonymous J replied with this 2 weeks ago, 9 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#1,456,793
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You aren't disadvantaging them more, they applied with that disadvantage already.
And this has been asked and answered several times. They are being tested for how ready they are, not whether they have a good explanation for why they aren't ready.
Because look at it this way: men and women don’t compete together in sports, because men are naturally more athletically capable than women are. I think that black people are oppressed and that we need temporary measures in order to uplift black people to create a more equal society in order to strengthen our nation. You believe that blacks have low IQs because they’re genetically inferior to whites. If that’s the case, wouldn’t we need affirmative action forever in order to ensure that the competition is fair?