Topic: Why are women the biggest trans haters?
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago #109,475
Well, fora?
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #1,222,884
oh lol the headline was supposed to be "Why are women the biggest trans haters?"
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 57 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,886
@previous (A)
The main "trans rights" issue is whether women get their own sex-specific spaces.
Men never really had their own, or wanted it. Male leagues have always actually men open leagues, the men's room is open to women if they need it, chess tournaments are open vs. womens, female-only train cars exist, but male cars don't, female vs. everyone homeless shelters.
Men don't stand to lose anything, women do.
The main "trans rights" issue is whether women get their own sex-specific spaces.
Men never really had their own, or wanted it. Male leagues have always actually men open leagues, the men's room is open to women if they need it, chess tournaments are open vs. womens, female-only train cars exist, but male cars don't, female vs. everyone homeless shelters.
Men don't stand to lose anything, women do.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,890
@1,222,884 (A)
The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle The Master's House, Audre Lorde
a lot of women are scared of losing the support system they've cultivated by sucking up to power-holding men for decades. fear feeds on fear, and the fear of transgender people is built on the fear of losing social safety nets. transgender people don't actually pose any threats to these structures, and all the trans people i know are socialists in favor of making these fallbacks stronger, ofc. but the ironic thing is that the transphobes are not able to see that these social safety nets are in greater danger at the hands of the people telling them to hate transgender people. it's the same rhetorical device that leads to antisemites producing contradictory statements like "the jews are cowardly, weak degenerates" combined with "they are a shadowy cabal that runs everything". its this cognitive dissonance - "trans people are whiny, entitled snowflakes who have nothing better to do than ruin the lives of anyone they dont like with cancel culture" - that justifies any violence against them. it's an imagined enemy that's so cartoonishly strong that there is no level of violence against them that is unjustified.
the actual solution to this fear on which transphobia is predicated, at least imo, is an increase in support for these social safety nets (abuse/homeless/rehabilitation centers, ubi, etc. etc.) so that women are not necessarily beholden to the approval of men for their safety. if the rhetoric of "women's spaces are being invaded" does not work, it would not be as easy to muster the vitriol for trans people that really defines basically every bit of news coming out of britain for the last 3-4 years
but these social structures were largely eradicated in the 1970s and 1980s by reagan-led and thatcher-led governments, and jk rowling, the biggest terf and the one with the most money to throw around when forming anti-transgender policies looooooooves new labour, which is on the record as being margaret thatcher's greatest accomplishment
Those of us who stand outside the circle of this society's definition of acceptable women; those of us who have been forged in the crucibles of difference - those of us who are poor, who are lesbians, who are Black, who are older - know that survival is not an academic skill. It is learning how to take our differences and make them strengths. For the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change. And this fact is only threatening to those women who still define the master's house as their only source of support.
The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle The Master's House, Audre Lorde
a lot of women are scared of losing the support system they've cultivated by sucking up to power-holding men for decades. fear feeds on fear, and the fear of transgender people is built on the fear of losing social safety nets. transgender people don't actually pose any threats to these structures, and all the trans people i know are socialists in favor of making these fallbacks stronger, ofc. but the ironic thing is that the transphobes are not able to see that these social safety nets are in greater danger at the hands of the people telling them to hate transgender people. it's the same rhetorical device that leads to antisemites producing contradictory statements like "the jews are cowardly, weak degenerates" combined with "they are a shadowy cabal that runs everything". its this cognitive dissonance - "trans people are whiny, entitled snowflakes who have nothing better to do than ruin the lives of anyone they dont like with cancel culture" - that justifies any violence against them. it's an imagined enemy that's so cartoonishly strong that there is no level of violence against them that is unjustified.
the actual solution to this fear on which transphobia is predicated, at least imo, is an increase in support for these social safety nets (abuse/homeless/rehabilitation centers, ubi, etc. etc.) so that women are not necessarily beholden to the approval of men for their safety. if the rhetoric of "women's spaces are being invaded" does not work, it would not be as easy to muster the vitriol for trans people that really defines basically every bit of news coming out of britain for the last 3-4 years
but these social structures were largely eradicated in the 1970s and 1980s by reagan-led and thatcher-led governments, and jk rowling, the biggest terf and the one with the most money to throw around when forming anti-transgender policies looooooooves new labour, which is on the record as being margaret thatcher's greatest accomplishment
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 44 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,905
@previous (C)
By almost any measure women are doing better than men, yet women continue to play the victim while putting all accountability entirely on men.
By almost any measure women are doing better than men, yet women continue to play the victim while putting all accountability entirely on men.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,906
Men commit the vast majority of crimes against trans women
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Welcome to Minitrans! All trans, all the time!
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@previous (A)
Men commit the most crime against trans people
You: How can we make this the fault of women?
Men commit the most crime against trans people
You: How can we make this the fault of women?
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@1,222,965 (A)
Trans women likely have a higher rate of being murdered by percentage than men. And who kills them? Men
Trans women likely have a higher rate of being murdered by percentage than men. And who kills them? Men
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@1,222,972 (D)
I don't know why you would think that. Most discussions involve providing supporting evidence for claims. I never knew that was a proxy for pinning crimes of men on women. I guess you learn something new every day.
> As is typical with incels
Are you trying to insult me? Did something I say upset you?
I don't know why you would think that. Most discussions involve providing supporting evidence for claims. I never knew that was a proxy for pinning crimes of men on women. I guess you learn something new every day.
> As is typical with incels
Are you trying to insult me? Did something I say upset you?
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,985
@previous (D)
Are you talking about the headline of this thread? You could've just said so instead of resorting to name calling and personal attacks.
To be clear, I've assumed women are the biggest trans haters, based on countless examples I've seen here from people like Kook and Becky, and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere, but I'm not claiming this to be universally true.
It's a discussion and I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
However, several others in this thread have given some quite compelling hypotheses supporting my initial assumption, so the burden of proof is rapidly shifting towards being entirely on you.
Are you talking about the headline of this thread? You could've just said so instead of resorting to name calling and personal attacks.
To be clear, I've assumed women are the biggest trans haters, based on countless examples I've seen here from people like Kook and Becky, and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere, but I'm not claiming this to be universally true.
It's a discussion and I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
However, several others in this thread have given some quite compelling hypotheses supporting my initial assumption, so the burden of proof is rapidly shifting towards being entirely on you.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 53 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,222,999
The reality is that women don’t give a fuck. It’s just the terfs bitching like their retarded counterparts the mras. Plus your thread has a very patriarchal mindset. Fuck off.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,223,001
@previous (F)
> The reality is that women don’t give a fuck.
Many here and elsewhere seem to.
> It’s just the terfs bitching like their retarded counterparts the mras.
Maybe so.
> Plus your thread has a very patriarchal mindset.
How so?
> Fuck off.
kys
> The reality is that women don’t give a fuck.
Many here and elsewhere seem to.
> It’s just the terfs bitching like their retarded counterparts the mras.
Maybe so.
> Plus your thread has a very patriarchal mindset.
How so?
> Fuck off.
kys
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@1,222,985 (A)
Youve based how society treats trans people by reading this forum?
Got it. Yeah you're dumb as fuck
Youve based how society treats trans people by reading this forum?
Got it. Yeah you're dumb as fuck
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,223,016
@previous (D)
> based on countless examples I've seen here from people like Kook and Becky, and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere
> and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere
> Yeah you're dumb as fuck
ur mad as fuk
> based on countless examples I've seen here from people like Kook and Becky, and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere
> and similar patterns of behaviour elsewhere
> Yeah you're dumb as fuck
ur mad as fuk
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@previous (H)
WTF is this?
this thread has a week old bump, not counting the weird last post, but is listed month+ on the bumps list: https://minichan.net/topic/109435
WTF is this?
this thread has a week old bump, not counting the weird last post, but is listed month+ on the bumps list: https://minichan.net/topic/109435