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Anonymous A started this discussion 5 years ago #99,523

Hi. I am not the guy who asked you the question about guns. I have an absolutely new question. If I have a gun, and a man is running towards me with a knife, screaming, "I will kill you right now!", and I have a moment to draw my gun and shoot him, and I do so, would the Catholic church call my action a sin?

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 5 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #1,123,012

Oh, Father?

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,014

All life is precious, unless it is a baby that is slightly inconvenient in which case it is ripped from the womb piece by piece like a parasite being removed from the host.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,019

@previous (B)
> like a parasite being removed from the host.
That is an accurate description of abortion.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 49 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,025

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)

Pregnancy is the worst STD, tbh.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,030

@previous (D)
Agree. HIV is pretty bad too though.

Anonymous D replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,031

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)

Yes, not to down play the severity of other STDs.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,052

@OPenis

Why Anon Matt?

Also, kitotp.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,058

@OP

> Hi. I am not the guy who asked you the question about guns. I have an absolutely new question.

First things first, can a mod please confirm that this is not the same person who made this thread:

http://minichan.org/topic/99516

I want to be sure I am not dealing with a bearer of false witness.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,108

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> First things first, can a mod please confirm that this is not the same person who made this thread

Only if the OP agrees to it. What do you say, @OP?

(Edited 21 minutes later.)

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,115

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
lol

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 3 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,215

It would appear the OP has fallen strangely silent.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,217

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.66

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people's rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people's safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.67

2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."68

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 5 years ago, 42 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,123,229

@previous (A)
Please answer:
@1,123,108 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
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