Topic: I'm pretty sure this whole sexual assault thing Biden did to Tara Reade will be forgotten.
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago #99,062
No one is going to bring up anything from the recent past that is comparable because that's been forgotten as well. I mean, people aren't going to be hypocritical are they? Everyone has forgotten what happened, right?
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later[^] [v] #1,117,969
We know that Republicans and Trump supporters are certainly not hypocrites.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 45 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,117,980
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)It definitely won't be thrown in Democrats faces though. There's no way the pussy hat crew will turn a blind eye, right?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,117,988
I've heard plenty of people in the Democratic Party express dismay or a desire for some investigation of it. They generally don't have much of a problem with looking into it so far as I've seen. Some have called for Biden to drop out and make room for a different candidate. I thought we weren't supposed to assume people guilty by verdict of public opinion or let the voters decide if they think this is a credible worry at the ballot box or whatever. It would be funny if it ended with people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul uniting over some "We believe survivors!" banners.
All I'm saying is if this ends with Mitch McConnell in a pussy hat, then I'm all for making as big a deal of this as is needed whether it's true or false.
All I'm saying is if this ends with Mitch McConnell in a pussy hat, then I'm all for making as big a deal of this as is needed whether it's true or false.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,117,993
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There is a lot of grappling going onAnonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,117,996
How much should you grapple?Dead !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,000
@1,117,993 (A)
@1,117,995 (A)
@previous (A)
Brazilian jujitsu deals with a lot of grappling techniques so I hear
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@previous (A)
Brazilian jujitsu deals with a lot of grappling techniques so I hear
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,002
@1,117,993 (A)
I'm trying to social distance, so grappling isn't really on my 'to do' list.
I'm not sure I see your claim hypocrisy though. I don't think the public response is comparable to the reaction against Justice Kavanaugh. I get it that you're trying to draw a parallel, but I don't see it. I haven't seen any prominent Democrats dismiss the claims out of hand as a hoax or seriously float the idea that Tara Reade hypnotized herself into believing a false story. I haven't heard members of Biden's party name-calling, undermining Reade's character, or making unfounded accusations against her. And like I said, I haven't heard anyone who isn't open to investigating these claims.
The 'lamestream' media certainly isn't shying away from the story. If anything, it's amusing to see how quickly some people are to cite a story from CNN, Politico, or the New York Times.
I'm trying to social distance, so grappling isn't really on my 'to do' list.
I'm not sure I see your claim hypocrisy though. I don't think the public response is comparable to the reaction against Justice Kavanaugh. I get it that you're trying to draw a parallel, but I don't see it. I haven't seen any prominent Democrats dismiss the claims out of hand as a hoax or seriously float the idea that Tara Reade hypnotized herself into believing a false story. I haven't heard members of Biden's party name-calling, undermining Reade's character, or making unfounded accusations against her. And like I said, I haven't heard anyone who isn't open to investigating these claims.
The 'lamestream' media certainly isn't shying away from the story. If anything, it's amusing to see how quickly some people are to cite a story from CNN, Politico, or the New York Times.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,004
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,005
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,011
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If you're really looking for parallels, I think there's more of a parallel to the Stormy Daniels affair or the Access Hollywood tapes than there is to the Kavanaugh scandal. But I can only hold out hope the Republican Party suddenly makes a leap for being the party of conservative values again. I'll keep my eye out for it. Let me know when Mitch McConnell finally puts that pussy hat on because I want a picture.
If you're really looking for parallels, I think there's more of a parallel to the Stormy Daniels affair or the Access Hollywood tapes than there is to the Kavanaugh scandal. But I can only hold out hope the Republican Party suddenly makes a leap for being the party of conservative values again. I'll keep my eye out for it. Let me know when Mitch McConnell finally puts that pussy hat on because I want a picture.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 6 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,036
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Well Trump only boastfully exaggerated about grabbing a hypothetical gold digger by the pussy.
Child sniffing, inappropriately touching, Joe "Creepy" Biden has been credibly accused of sexual assault .
Well Trump only boastfully exaggerated about grabbing a hypothetical gold digger by the pussy.
Child sniffing, inappropriately touching, Joe "Creepy" Biden has been credibly accused of sexual assault .
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,039
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,043
I didn’t believe it or care about it until the Larry King call got released. Now, I think it’s real.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 6 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,151
@1,118,039 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No. I'm talking the public reaction to the two events OP wants to compare. I haven't seen Biden break down crying and call the whole thing a con job orchestrated by the other side like Justice Kavanaugh did. I haven't seen Biden publicly mock Reade at one of his rallies like President Trump did to Dr. Ford. I don't see any prominent Democratic members of Congress dismissing the claims out-of-hand as a cheap hoax.
I get that OP wants to sell the idea that the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination. But they aren't. If you sub out Fox for CNN or Politico for Drudge or Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris for Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows or switch up the sides however you like, the opinions and reactions from each side to the two events aren't even similar.
If anything, the response from Democrats has been more akin to the kind of bland disinterest that fellow Republicans showed towards numerous claims of sexual assault and misconduct against Trump during his campaign and into his presidency.
No. I'm talking the public reaction to the two events OP wants to compare. I haven't seen Biden break down crying and call the whole thing a con job orchestrated by the other side like Justice Kavanaugh did. I haven't seen Biden publicly mock Reade at one of his rallies like President Trump did to Dr. Ford. I don't see any prominent Democratic members of Congress dismissing the claims out-of-hand as a cheap hoax.
I get that OP wants to sell the idea that the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination. But they aren't. If you sub out Fox for CNN or Politico for Drudge or Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris for Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows or switch up the sides however you like, the opinions and reactions from each side to the two events aren't even similar.
If anything, the response from Democrats has been more akin to the kind of bland disinterest that fellow Republicans showed towards numerous claims of sexual assault and misconduct against Trump during his campaign and into his presidency.
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Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,170
@previous (C)
> the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination.
Has this line of arguing ever been persuasive or effective? Even if true (let's just say for the sake of argument the allegation is 100% true and Democrats are reacting to Tara Reade in an exact reversed version of Republicans with Christine Ford), will it change anyone's mind on either side? ?
> the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination.
Has this line of arguing ever been persuasive or effective? Even if true (let's just say for the sake of argument the allegation is 100% true and Democrats are reacting to Tara Reade in an exact reversed version of Republicans with Christine Ford), will it change anyone's mind on either side? ?
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,172
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 47 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,196
@previous (B)
> boastfully exaggerated about grabbing a hypothetical gold digger by the pussy.
No one needs to defend that. It will be very telling however, to see if the pearl clutching outraged over words crowd are even slightly outraged over actions.
> boastfully exaggerated about grabbing a hypothetical gold digger by the pussy.
No one needs to defend that. It will be very telling however, to see if the pearl clutching outraged over words crowd are even slightly outraged over actions.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,361
@1,118,170 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> > the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination.
> Has this line of arguing ever been persuasive or effective?
You're probably correct. I doubt that pointing out the hypocrisy of doing what is politically advantageous has ever really swayed anyone who is already firmly on one side or the other. I just think the comparison between Biden and Kavanaugh assumes a kind of hypocrisy that isn't happening. I don't see Democrats disbelieving Reade's story or streams of pundits on CNN endlessly picking apart everything Reade has said in order to poke holes in her claims or sow reasonable doubt about her character. Likewise, I don't see Republicans rushing to defend the need to take every claim of sexual harassment seriously right now.
> > the Democrats are now behaving like Republicans did about the Kavanaugh nomination.
> Has this line of arguing ever been persuasive or effective?
You're probably correct. I doubt that pointing out the hypocrisy of doing what is politically advantageous has ever really swayed anyone who is already firmly on one side or the other. I just think the comparison between Biden and Kavanaugh assumes a kind of hypocrisy that isn't happening. I don't see Democrats disbelieving Reade's story or streams of pundits on CNN endlessly picking apart everything Reade has said in order to poke holes in her claims or sow reasonable doubt about her character. Likewise, I don't see Republicans rushing to defend the need to take every claim of sexual harassment seriously right now.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,493
@previous (C)
I try to avoid the "Aha! You claim to believe in X but your political tribe just did Y!!!" style as much as possible for this reason.
I don't see any significant amount of "You democrats say you believe women but you're downplaying and dismissing sexual assault allegations against Biden!!!!" arguing going on myself. I'm wondering if this is because it's not effective and everyone knows this so no one tries this tactic or because the Kavanaugh thing is too recent for Republican-aligned people to credibly take the "Republicans are the real party of believe women!" stance.
I try to avoid the "Aha! You claim to believe in X but your political tribe just did Y!!!" style as much as possible for this reason.
I don't see any significant amount of "You democrats say you believe women but you're downplaying and dismissing sexual assault allegations against Biden!!!!" arguing going on myself. I'm wondering if this is because it's not effective and everyone knows this so no one tries this tactic or because the Kavanaugh thing is too recent for Republican-aligned people to credibly take the "Republicans are the real party of believe women!" stance.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,505
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> I don't see any significant amount of "You democrats say you believe women but you're downplaying and dismissing sexual assault allegations against Biden!!!!" arguing going on myself.
I feel like that particular spaghetti is being thrown at the wall in some places. Reason magazine had an article like that a while back. Granted the article is from a month back and the details are dated at this point. But the seeds of that approach are there. I should probably stop reading Reason like it's in the mainstream though. (I even had a subscription to it once!)
You're probably right that the manufactured hypocrisy won't quite stick with most voters. It would be great if we sat down and decided as a nation what should be done with these kinds complaints across the board instead of only caring when it's advantageous. Until then the accusations of hypocrisy are probably only going to beget defensiveness and entrench each side deeper into fake outrage about what the other side of the aisle just said or did.
> I don't see any significant amount of "You democrats say you believe women but you're downplaying and dismissing sexual assault allegations against Biden!!!!" arguing going on myself.
I feel like that particular spaghetti is being thrown at the wall in some places. Reason magazine had an article like that a while back. Granted the article is from a month back and the details are dated at this point. But the seeds of that approach are there. I should probably stop reading Reason like it's in the mainstream though. (I even had a subscription to it once!)
You're probably right that the manufactured hypocrisy won't quite stick with most voters. It would be great if we sat down and decided as a nation what should be done with these kinds complaints across the board instead of only caring when it's advantageous. Until then the accusations of hypocrisy are probably only going to beget defensiveness and entrench each side deeper into fake outrage about what the other side of the aisle just said or did.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,880
What I want to know is who started using the word astroturfed?
If I ever hear someone use that word in a political context to me in person I am going to ridicule them.
If I ever hear someone use that word in a political context to me in person I am going to ridicule them.
Blom joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 54 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,908
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,118,920
Tara Reade publicly stated on March 25 that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Bide sexually assaulted her in 1993. She said Biden once “pinned her to a wall in a Senate building, reached under her clothing and penetrated her with his fingers,” according to an account in The New York Times
The Times took 19 days to report the allegations, even though the outlet immediately reported allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a Republican.
CNN waited an additional five days to finally publish something about the allegations, meaning the outlet waited a whopping 24 days to cover serious allegations against a prominent politician. In contrast, CNN published nearly 700 articles about the Kavanaugh allegations in the span of 19 days between the time the allegations against Kavanaugh were made public and the Senate confirmed him.
CNN has now published something about Reade’s allegations that Biden sexually assaulted her nearly three decades ago while she worked for his Senate office, but the story written by CNN has less to do with the allegations and more about how other Democrats are “grappling” with them
The Times took 19 days to report the allegations, even though the outlet immediately reported allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a Republican.
CNN waited an additional five days to finally publish something about the allegations, meaning the outlet waited a whopping 24 days to cover serious allegations against a prominent politician. In contrast, CNN published nearly 700 articles about the Kavanaugh allegations in the span of 19 days between the time the allegations against Kavanaugh were made public and the Senate confirmed him.
CNN has now published something about Reade’s allegations that Biden sexually assaulted her nearly three decades ago while she worked for his Senate office, but the story written by CNN has less to do with the allegations and more about how other Democrats are “grappling” with them