Topic: Trump is suspending immigration
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE started this discussion 6 years ago #98,933
I thought we were ready to re-open the nation? Nice excuse to implement fascism.
scatman !!C9h1vWLZ/ joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,116,576
Re-open your legs and shoe me that vulvae!
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,577
Erik !AltRitexT6 joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,581
Please answer me this... Why does the left currently have a huge hard on for immigration? I remember when big boy Clinton and his government was against immigration because it exploited those coming in AND put lower end jobs at risk but currently the popular left seem to think a vertual open door policy will only bring prosperity and peace.Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,585
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
The main reasons for support of broad immigration in the United States are for humanitarian reasons, economic reasons, and electoral reasons.
The main reasons for support of broad immigration in the United States are for humanitarian reasons, economic reasons, and electoral reasons.
Anonymous B double-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,588
America has a history of being welcoming to immigrants so that’s a reason. America is the wealthiest nation on earth so it has a duty to help people come here from poorer countries who want a better life is another argument in favor. Economically it’s beneficial because it brings more people into the labor force and increases tax revenue and economic productivity. Electorally it’s polarizing because it benefits the left because minorities tend to vote Democrat and using it as an issue benefits the right because GOP voters don’t like the idea of becoming a minority so they are whipped into voting for GOP candidates who pledge to halt or slow immigration.
Anonymous B triple-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,589
Both sides politicize immigration wrongly, the far left seems to want open constant 24/7 immigration to build a stronger electorate and the right largely wrongly is against immigration as a way to galvanize white voters who dislike black and brown people.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 14 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,598
@previous (B)
At the moment it seems like the central left are pro open borders where as the radical left (at least in the UK) are against due to protection of pay for the working class. It's almost like it's become a social issue where liberal elites support immigration and to go againt that makes you a racist.
At the moment it seems like the central left are pro open borders where as the radical left (at least in the UK) are against due to protection of pay for the working class. It's almost like it's become a social issue where liberal elites support immigration and to go againt that makes you a racist.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,599
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,601
@1,116,581 (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Bill Clinton was never on "the left". He is (in)famous for yanking the Democratic party to the right, after a prolonged series of presidential election losses with his New Democeat rebranding. I think people on the left nowadays look back and see that Clinton's immigration policies were generally negative for both America and for immigrants, and are adopting new approaches based on lessons they learn from that. Plus, outside of Trump media echo chambers, public support for liberal immigration policies are at or near all-time highs. It's both good politics and good policy!
Bill Clinton was never on "the left". He is (in)famous for yanking the Democratic party to the right, after a prolonged series of presidential election losses with his New Democeat rebranding. I think people on the left nowadays look back and see that Clinton's immigration policies were generally negative for both America and for immigrants, and are adopting new approaches based on lessons they learn from that. Plus, outside of Trump media echo chambers, public support for liberal immigration policies are at or near all-time highs. It's both good politics and good policy!
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 15 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,602
@1,116,599 (E)
Yeah, it's a weird myth amongst conservatives like Svet that "open borders" is a popular policy for left-wing politicians. They tend to go quiet if you ask for citations, though.
Yeah, it's a weird myth amongst conservatives like Svet that "open borders" is a popular policy for left-wing politicians. They tend to go quiet if you ask for citations, though.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,605
@1,116,601 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
@previous (C)
> It's both good politics and good policy!
Okay then, tell me why this is good!
@previous (C)
> It's both good politics and good policy!
Okay then, tell me why this is good!
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,608
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Don't misquote me, you twit. I am saying that liberals wanting "open borders" is a myth, Fake anon is the one attacking from the "immigration is beneficial" angle.
Don't misquote me, you twit. I am saying that liberals wanting "open borders" is a myth, Fake anon is the one attacking from the "immigration is beneficial" angle.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,614
@previous (C)
Okay then, liberals want loose borders. Did you see the anti-Trump protesters waving Mexican flags?
Okay then, liberals want loose borders. Did you see the anti-Trump protesters waving Mexican flags?
Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,617
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Liberal candidates want immigrants to be able to apply for immigration like normal. Trump is trying to cut them all off. And unless a USAmerian is a fucking Maya or Aztec, they are ALL immigrants.
Liberal candidates want immigrants to be able to apply for immigration like normal. Trump is trying to cut them all off. And unless a USAmerian is a fucking Maya or Aztec, they are ALL immigrants.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,620
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !bYobIzYIFE)
Oh sure I get all that histroical "we're all immigrents" but now we as a human race have established borders and laws immigrents are those who come from outside those borders and do not have a claim to live inside a country.
So why is building a wall racist if it's meant to stem the flow of illegal border crossings? Why do liberals want "undocumented Americans" to be able to vote and recieve a stimulus check?
Oh sure I get all that histroical "we're all immigrents" but now we as a human race have established borders and laws immigrents are those who come from outside those borders and do not have a claim to live inside a country.
So why is building a wall racist if it's meant to stem the flow of illegal border crossings? Why do liberals want "undocumented Americans" to be able to vote and recieve a stimulus check?
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Apocalypse Indy™ !xINDYpXglg (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,854
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,859
@previous (Apocalypse Indy™ !xINDYpXglg)
Yeah and so if some type of welfare was standard, then they would be discovered really fast.
Yeah and so if some type of welfare was standard, then they would be discovered really fast.
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Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,900
@1,116,854 (Apocalypse Indy™ !xINDYpXglg)
OHHH THEYRE NOT ARE THEY??
What about when they live in the section 8 house of their DAMNED anchor babies and eat off the DAMNEDanchor babies food stamps?
You dumb FUCK.
OHHH THEYRE NOT ARE THEY??
What about when they live in the section 8 house of their DAMNED anchor babies and eat off the DAMNEDanchor babies food stamps?
You dumb FUCK.
Anonymous G double-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,901
@1,116,854 (Apocalypse Indy™ !xINDYpXglg)
Wake the fuck up fool!
The goddamn California liberal faggots already let the brown bastards VOTE.
Wake the fuck up fool!
The goddamn California liberal faggots already let the brown bastards VOTE.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,905
@1,116,602 (C)
The EU forced the British to allow millions of white Europeans to migrate and that's why Brexit passed.
The EU forced the British to allow millions of white Europeans to migrate and that's why Brexit passed.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,907
@1,116,900 (G)
"Anchor babies" are pretty much a myth too. You should really look into these things more.
"Anchor babies" are pretty much a myth too. You should really look into these things more.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,923
@1,116,614 (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Interesting how open borders suddenly became "looser borders".
@1,116,837 (G)
Nice rebuttal, you worthless retard. You cannot cite evidence of this because it's a lie, now fuck off.
@1,116,905 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
I'm not sure what weird point you think you're making here, Walter, but this has nothing to do with my point about open borders being a myth.
And there you have it. Three prominent conservative thinkers on Minichan could not come up with a shred of evidence between them that open borders is a mainstream liberal policy.
Open borders = myth.
Interesting how open borders suddenly became "looser borders".
@1,116,837 (G)
Nice rebuttal, you worthless retard. You cannot cite evidence of this because it's a lie, now fuck off.
@1,116,905 (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
I'm not sure what weird point you think you're making here, Walter, but this has nothing to do with my point about open borders being a myth.
And there you have it. Three prominent conservative thinkers on Minichan could not come up with a shred of evidence between them that open borders is a mainstream liberal policy.
Open borders = myth.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,924
@previous (C)
> Interesting how open borders suddenly became "looser borders".
Not really because I said it for the sake of not having an arguement. The point is modern liberals like a very relaxed approach towards immigration where not only highly skilled people come in as always but vast numbers of unskilled enter the country along with their social problems.
> Interesting how open borders suddenly became "looser borders".
Not really because I said it for the sake of not having an arguement. The point is modern liberals like a very relaxed approach towards immigration where not only highly skilled people come in as always but vast numbers of unskilled enter the country along with their social problems.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,925
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Too bad, you're in an argument now. My argument, about how open borders is a bullshit myth.
"Open borders" implies that liberals want zero immigration controls whatsoever, which is frankly an insane thing to say. Why do people like you swallow this bullshit, and then choose to continue swallowing it when you cannot prove it?
Too bad, you're in an argument now. My argument, about how open borders is a bullshit myth.
"Open borders" implies that liberals want zero immigration controls whatsoever, which is frankly an insane thing to say. Why do people like you swallow this bullshit, and then choose to continue swallowing it when you cannot prove it?
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,926
@previous (C)
Can you show me where mainstream liberals have pushed back on the current flow of immigration? The liberal elite are quite happy for anyone who crosses the border to stay. How come the US has dangrous mexican gangs living legally in their country?
Can you show me where mainstream liberals have pushed back on the current flow of immigration? The liberal elite are quite happy for anyone who crosses the border to stay. How come the US has dangrous mexican gangs living legally in their country?
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,928
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
You are feebly trying to steer the argument away from the point I am here to make. I am not arguing whether or not liberals want relaxed immigration controls, I am arguing that "open borders" is a misleading term that does not reflect reality.
You are feebly trying to steer the argument away from the point I am here to make. I am not arguing whether or not liberals want relaxed immigration controls, I am arguing that "open borders" is a misleading term that does not reflect reality.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,930
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I stand by the idea that mainstream liberals would welcome open borders but will not push for it because they know it would fail.
I stand by the idea that mainstream liberals would welcome open borders but will not push for it because they know it would fail.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,116,931
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
If you're so keen on standing by it, then cite some evidence. How do you know they wan it?
It's also convenient that your initial claim of moderate liberals openly being pro-open borders has now become "they want it but they can't have it".
If you're so keen on standing by it, then cite some evidence. How do you know they wan it?
It's also convenient that your initial claim of moderate liberals openly being pro-open borders has now become "they want it but they can't have it".
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@1,116,931 (C)> If you're so keen on standing by it, then cite some evidence. How do you know they wan it?
It's pretty evident when Trump is trying to build the wall and prevent illegal immigration, and the dems stop at nothing to prevent it from happening.
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