Topic: Why is it racist to call the coronavirus the Chinese virus?
Erik !jzYkdX7lIw started this discussion 6 years ago #97,723
I mean, it is a Chinese virus.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #1,102,533
It isn't racist. It's race-baiting. That's how he gets away with it. He posts about a "Chinese virus" and retarded little insular dipshits say things like "How is that racist? It's a Chinese virus!"
Erik !jzYkdX7lIw (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,534
@previous (B)
Even the liberal news outlet The Atlantic is saying China is getting away with it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/
Seriously, if the virus came from the UK or US due to negligence the entire world would be yelling at us
Even the liberal news outlet The Atlantic is saying China is getting away with it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/
Seriously, if the virus came from the UK or US due to negligence the entire world would be yelling at us
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,535
It's as racist as calling A/H3N2 "Aussie flu". I mean, it is an Australian virus.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,536
@1,102,534 (Erik !jzYkdX7lIw)
The entire world recognises that China and their horrifying wet markets is responsible for creating this virus. And if and when this is all dealt with they are in for a fuck-tonne of international recriminations.
That is not what you asked though. You asked about the term "Chinese virus". You may have noticed we don't refer to Ebola (a river in Africa) as the "African virus" either.
The entire world recognises that China and their horrifying wet markets is responsible for creating this virus. And if and when this is all dealt with they are in for a fuck-tonne of international recriminations.
That is not what you asked though. You asked about the term "Chinese virus". You may have noticed we don't refer to Ebola (a river in Africa) as the "African virus" either.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,624
@OP
> I mean, it is a Chinese virus.
It's a little odd to bother calling the one virus Chinese when every fucking year for decades we get new strains out of China.
> I mean, it is a Chinese virus.
It's a little odd to bother calling the one virus Chinese when every fucking year for decades we get new strains out of China.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,721
Naming something after where it originated? Like we have always done? Fake Newsers were fine with that term until the virus was politically weaponized by left-wingers who love to stand on piles of still warm dead bodies.
What do the people in Lyme Connecticut think?
What do the people in Lyme Connecticut think?
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,735
I mean yeah, it originated in Wuhan. No one whines about the Spanish Flu or the German Measles. ?
I would object to the term "Chinese Virus" though because it's not specific enough - it doesn't differentiate between the other Chinese viruses like SARS. It should be called the Wuhan Flu.
I would object to the term "Chinese Virus" though because it's not specific enough - it doesn't differentiate between the other Chinese viruses like SARS. It should be called the Wuhan Flu.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,739
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
The Spanish flu began in Kansas so it's a dumb example that just proves the liberal point anyway. The reason Trump calls it the chinese virus is he wants to make the pandemic a culture war wedge issue. Liberals generally take the bait. If this virus began in Saudi Arabia he would not be calling it the Saudi virus I assure you.
The Spanish flu began in Kansas so it's a dumb example that just proves the liberal point anyway. The reason Trump calls it the chinese virus is he wants to make the pandemic a culture war wedge issue. Liberals generally take the bait. If this virus began in Saudi Arabia he would not be calling it the Saudi virus I assure you.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,742
Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,744
Here is why. First, it breaks current CDC protocol, which says NOT to name viruses after places or people. Second, given Trump's record on immigrant and racism, he gets no benefit of the doubt. Third, Chinese people in the US are experiencing racism and attacks directly related to Covid-19. Fourth, there is a photo that came out today of Trump's notes for his speech, where he himself, with his manchild Sharpie, literally crossed out "Covid" and wrote "China" over it in big, manchild letters. Not even kidding. This shows that he is doing it on purpose to provoke a reaction, not just casually happening to mention the place of origin.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,745
@1,102,721 (E)
> Naming something after where it originated? Like we have always done? Fake Newsers were fine with that term until the virus was politically weaponized by left-wingers who love to stand on piles of still warm dead bodies.
>
> What do the people in Lyme Connecticut think?
did you read what I put just ahead your post, shithead? every year we get Chinese viruses. But now you've got bugs up your ass to bitch about their names.
> Naming something after where it originated? Like we have always done? Fake Newsers were fine with that term until the virus was politically weaponized by left-wingers who love to stand on piles of still warm dead bodies.
>
> What do the people in Lyme Connecticut think?
did you read what I put just ahead your post, shithead? every year we get Chinese viruses. But now you've got bugs up your ass to bitch about their names.
Erik !jzYkdX7lIw (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,747
@1,102,744 (Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE)
I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea and provoking China to accept responsibility especially after they silenced doctors who tried to warn the world of this danger.
I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea and provoking China to accept responsibility especially after they silenced doctors who tried to warn the world of this danger.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,749
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,750
well no shit that China goverment isn't very good for freedom and dissemination of open information, being a fucking near-totalitarian dictatorship essentially
Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 6 years ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,751
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,753
@1,102,744 (Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE)
Those nasty street shitters who sell week old rat carcasses for snacks in public squares infected The World with a deadly virus!!
Those nasty street shitters who sell week old rat carcasses for snacks in public squares infected The World with a deadly virus!!
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,755
@1,102,747 (Erik !jzYkdX7lIw)
> I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea
I doubt that his understanding of it is that deep tbh.
> I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea
I doubt that his understanding of it is that deep tbh.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,756
@1,102,744 (Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE)
First, the CDC protocol can suck my dick ?
Second, COVID-19 did come from China. The COVID-19 virus is an illegal alien.
Third, Trump has said nothing in any way derogatory about Asian-Americans.
Fourth, he's living rent free in your head ???
First, the CDC protocol can suck my dick ?
Second, COVID-19 did come from China. The COVID-19 virus is an illegal alien.
Third, Trump has said nothing in any way derogatory about Asian-Americans.
Fourth, he's living rent free in your head ???
Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,757
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,760
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 31 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,764
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Their obsession doesn't allow them to believe otherwise, and you may be putting yourself in danger by showing them the truth.
Their obsession doesn't allow them to believe otherwise, and you may be putting yourself in danger by showing them the truth.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,801
@previous (K)
> Their obsession doesn't allow them to believe otherwise, and you may be putting yourself in danger by showing them the truth.
y'all got phantasms of imagined faggots in your heads having some fag political shithead in their heads
> Their obsession doesn't allow them to believe otherwise, and you may be putting yourself in danger by showing them the truth.
y'all got phantasms of imagined faggots in your heads having some fag political shithead in their heads
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 50 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,812
Nobody ever called it the “Chinese virus” originally. It was called the Wuhan flu, then the China flu, then it was changed to a scientific term.
If you think there’s some liberal conspiracy to not call it “Chinese virus”, then you’re as stupid as those infected with it.
If you think there’s some liberal conspiracy to not call it “Chinese virus”, then you’re as stupid as those infected with it.
Anonymous K replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,815
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,874
@1,102,721 (E)
@1,102,735 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
WHO changed naming conventions in 2015 to no longwr name viruses after their location or animal of origin (hence it's not china virus or bat flu). Naming a virus for a location can give people the false impression that avoiding that location makes them safe from the virus.
@1,102,735 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
WHO changed naming conventions in 2015 to no longwr name viruses after their location or animal of origin (hence it's not china virus or bat flu). Naming a virus for a location can give people the false impression that avoiding that location makes them safe from the virus.
Apocalypse Indy !bYobIzYIFE replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,876
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,895
@1,102,874 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
It's important to name and shame China for the pandemics their unsanitary conditions unleash on the world.
It's important to name and shame China for the pandemics their unsanitary conditions unleash on the world.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,896
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Not if it comes at the cost of people thinking "i won't get it if i dont go to china"
Not if it comes at the cost of people thinking "i won't get it if i dont go to china"
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,898
@1,102,747 (Erik !jzYkdX7lIw)
> I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea and provoking China to accept responsibility especially after they silenced doctors who tried to warn the world of this danger.
Thanks for your opinion about how to translate English words into different English words. It's weird that you become so creative about someone saying the words "Chinese virus" that you can make up reasons for why it might be used to mean all kinds of things that have already been said in other ways. It's really weird that with all that creativity for inventing possible interpretations and subtext, you can't fathom any reason why someone might object to that choice of words. If you're really that tone deaf to language, then you should probably stop offering your suggestions about what things really mean.
> I think he is just trying to demonstrate that having unclean wet markets isnt a good idea and provoking China to accept responsibility especially after they silenced doctors who tried to warn the world of this danger.
Thanks for your opinion about how to translate English words into different English words. It's weird that you become so creative about someone saying the words "Chinese virus" that you can make up reasons for why it might be used to mean all kinds of things that have already been said in other ways. It's really weird that with all that creativity for inventing possible interpretations and subtext, you can't fathom any reason why someone might object to that choice of words. If you're really that tone deaf to language, then you should probably stop offering your suggestions about what things really mean.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,912
@1,102,895 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> It's important to name and shame China for the pandemics their unsanitary conditions unleash on the world.
So bug the chinese then. Bitching about what English speakers are calling something does JACK SHIT as far as the Chinese government. I can call them chinkfucks all day and they won't hear it, will they. If you have direct access to them, then get them on the horn and stop bitching about it to your friends like a teenage girl who tasted some icky sperm.
> It's important to name and shame China for the pandemics their unsanitary conditions unleash on the world.
So bug the chinese then. Bitching about what English speakers are calling something does JACK SHIT as far as the Chinese government. I can call them chinkfucks all day and they won't hear it, will they. If you have direct access to them, then get them on the horn and stop bitching about it to your friends like a teenage girl who tasted some icky sperm.
(Edited 25 seconds later.)
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,914
Soon China will call it the foreign virus, cause it's always going to be brought in from foreign placesAnonymous P joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,938
It’s less about doing it to be offensive and more because he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,102,943
@1,102,874 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Would you visit Wuhan right now if someone gave you 50,000 dollars?
Would you visit Wuhan right now if someone gave you 50,000 dollars?
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,030
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,039
@previous (Q)
I would be an offer I certainly couldn't refuse. To go there for free seems like a bad choice though.
I would be an offer I certainly couldn't refuse. To go there for free seems like a bad choice though.
Anonymous L replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,045
@1,102,938 (P)
The lack of sanitation in China is the primary cause. The Chinese government could fix this if they wanted to, but clean toilets won’t keep Xi Jinping in power.
The lack of sanitation in China is the primary cause. The Chinese government could fix this if they wanted to, but clean toilets won’t keep Xi Jinping in power.
Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,079
@previous (L)
> The lack of sanitation in China is the primary cause. The Chinese government could fix this if they wanted to, but clean toilets won’t keep Xi Jinping in power.
I thought it was from eating pangolins or bats
> The lack of sanitation in China is the primary cause. The Chinese government could fix this if they wanted to, but clean toilets won’t keep Xi Jinping in power.
I thought it was from eating pangolins or bats
Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,093
@1,102,938 (P)
> he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
> he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 57 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,119
Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,201
@1,103,093 (N)
> > he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
>
> I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
>
> What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
>
> It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
> > he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
>
> I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
>
> What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
>
> It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 58 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,218
Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,219
@1,103,201 (P)
> > > he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
> >
> > I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
> >
> > What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
> >
> > It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
>
> I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
well that's a relief
> > > he’s annoyed that Chinese state media are pushing that the US Army created it and released it in China. This is his way of saying fuck you to them.
> >
> > I don't think that's a great excuse, especially since Trump's domestic rhetoric has little effect on China or Chinese media. The Chinese government isn't making policy based on Trump's word choices in his press briefings. That reasoning was one of Trump's excuses when he was asked by the press why he keeps calling it a "Chinese virus" even when fear about the virus has been resulting in harassment, property damage, verbal assault, physical attacks, and attempted murder of Asian Americans over the past week. That seems a little irresponsible.
> >
> > What does that excuse boil down to anyway? Trump's plan to combat rumors in the Chinese media amounts to petty sniping during his press conferences that Chinese people aren't watching? What does that accomplish? He thinks it's necessary to risk inflaming racial tensions in his own country if it means he can take shots at publicly blaming China for the current problems in the US? If some US families have to live in fear for a while because they have Asian roots, then that's just the price they have to pay so our President can act bitchy and vindictive? It's a lame excuse and it's pretty irresponsible coming from someone who has said he is trying to calm public panic about the situation.
> >
> > It's worth noting that wild conspiracy theories aren't limited to sources in Chinese media. Rumors floating around US media have ranged from Chinese-engineered bioweapon to "medical deepstate" democratic hoax to Illuminati population control measures. Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh has been claiming for at least a month that the Chinese are weaponizing this virus to bring down the US and a sitting US Senator has suggested the virus might be a bioweapon produced in a Chinese lab. So far China's President Xi hasn't used US media as an excuse to start calling it "The American Virus" or "Trumpox" in his daily announcements to the Chinese people. Maybe by Trump's logic Xi would be absolutely justified in doing so?
>
> I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
well that's a relief
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,242
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,250
Anonymous K replied with this 6 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,252
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
That's bc liberals are why America/the world are so shitty, everything is their fault, we should put them on trains and send them to camps, etc, etc, etc.
That's bc liberals are why America/the world are so shitty, everything is their fault, we should put them on trains and send them to camps, etc, etc, etc.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,255
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,269
Actually I just realized "Chinese" isn't racist because the Chinese are a subset of the Asian race, not a race unto themselves ?
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,280
yes well, many people get angrier at pedants than racists, so you're damned if you do or don't
Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,285
@1,103,201 (P)
> I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
Weird. They're not hard to find. Here are a few recent ones I came up with after some casual Googling:
Vandalism in Fresno, CA
Vandalism in Albuquerque, NM
Harassment leads to arrests in NYC
Assault and Harassment on NYC subway
A story about numerous incidents and attacks from all over the US
I'm sure there are more out there if you look harder than I did. Probably lots of commentary on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram as well. For whatever it's worth, it looks like Asian Americans are taking it seriously because they are reportedly frightened and buying more guns.
Lijian Zhao, one of the Chinese government officials criticized for blaming the virus on the US, is still busy mocking and blaming the US response on Twitter and seems completely undeterred by Donald Trump's use of the word "Chinese" in recent days.
So ultimately I don't think Trump's whataboutism excuse makes much sense or is particularly effective. He has also said that uses the term "Chinese virus" because he wants to "be accurate" but the wording isn't particularly accurate. There are plenty more accurate terms that everyone else is already using.
When confronted with recent events and told that there was a chance that his rhetoric was putting his own fellow citizens at risk by stoking racial tensions, it seems like a rational and capable leader would just stop saying those problematic things. Instead the US President keeps doing it. And then when people keep pointing out the obvious to him he cries about how persecuted he is by the press. It's not being done in the public interest. It's not being done in the nation's interest. It very much looks like President Trump is childishly annoying people so he can turn around and complain about how people are mean to him. Except he's doing it with US-China foreign relations. During a global health crisis. For his own petty reasons. It just comes off as bizarre and irresponsible.
> I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans.
Weird. They're not hard to find. Here are a few recent ones I came up with after some casual Googling:
Vandalism in Fresno, CA
Vandalism in Albuquerque, NM
Harassment leads to arrests in NYC
Assault and Harassment on NYC subway
A story about numerous incidents and attacks from all over the US
I'm sure there are more out there if you look harder than I did. Probably lots of commentary on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram as well. For whatever it's worth, it looks like Asian Americans are taking it seriously because they are reportedly frightened and buying more guns.
Lijian Zhao, one of the Chinese government officials criticized for blaming the virus on the US, is still busy mocking and blaming the US response on Twitter and seems completely undeterred by Donald Trump's use of the word "Chinese" in recent days.
So ultimately I don't think Trump's whataboutism excuse makes much sense or is particularly effective. He has also said that uses the term "Chinese virus" because he wants to "be accurate" but the wording isn't particularly accurate. There are plenty more accurate terms that everyone else is already using.
When confronted with recent events and told that there was a chance that his rhetoric was putting his own fellow citizens at risk by stoking racial tensions, it seems like a rational and capable leader would just stop saying those problematic things. Instead the US President keeps doing it. And then when people keep pointing out the obvious to him he cries about how persecuted he is by the press. It's not being done in the public interest. It's not being done in the nation's interest. It very much looks like President Trump is childishly annoying people so he can turn around and complain about how people are mean to him. Except he's doing it with US-China foreign relations. During a global health crisis. For his own petty reasons. It just comes off as bizarre and irresponsible.
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,296
@previous (N)
> bizarre and irresponsible
Talking points in the liberals smear campaign on President Trump.
> bizarre and irresponsible
Talking points in the liberals smear campaign on President Trump.
Anonymous J double-posted this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,297
jodi !ariasXXmaE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,334
@1,103,269 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Actually I just realized "Chinese" isn't racist because the Chinese are a subset of the Asian race, not a race unto themselves ?
?
> Actually I just realized "Chinese" isn't racist because the Chinese are a subset of the Asian race, not a race unto themselves ?
?
Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 14 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,336
@1,103,285 (N)
Yeah... a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
Anyway the Asians are hoarding guns in LA because they are preparing for looting situations like back during the LA riots
I’m no conservative by any means but this asian hate panic is just liberal handwringing “gotcha!” journalism. I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
Yeah... a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
Anyway the Asians are hoarding guns in LA because they are preparing for looting situations like back during the LA riots
I’m no conservative by any means but this asian hate panic is just liberal handwringing “gotcha!” journalism. I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
jodi !ariasXXmaE replied with this 6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,337
@previous (P)
> I’m no conservative by any means but this asian hate panic is just liberal handwringing “gotcha!” journalism
???
> I’m no conservative by any means but this asian hate panic is just liberal handwringing “gotcha!” journalism
???
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,340
@1,103,336 (P)
I've been seeing some videos of people being racist against Asians. Also this guy just knife attacked some Asian family in a super market
I've been seeing some videos of people being racist against Asians. Also this guy just knife attacked some Asian family in a super market
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,346
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Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,446
@1,103,296 (J)
> >bizarre and irresponsible
>
> Talking points in the liberals smear campaign on President Trump.
dish it out but can't take it? fuck off
> >bizarre and irresponsible
>
> Talking points in the liberals smear campaign on President Trump.
dish it out but can't take it? fuck off
Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,447
@1,103,297 (J)
> Obammy would be apologizing to china that we didn't have as many dead as they did.
that's really far-fetched
> Obammy would be apologizing to china that we didn't have as many dead as they did.
that's really far-fetched
Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,589
@1,103,336 (P)
> I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
> a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
> I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
> a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 38 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,605
If them damn Japanese would have invade the U.S. back in the war, some of us wouldn't be here.
Anonymous L replied with this 6 years ago, 53 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,624
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,745
Norm MacDonald has named it Tom Hanks' Disease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8xZQnAnOoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8xZQnAnOoE
Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,751
@1,103,589 (N)
> > I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
> They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
>
> I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
>
> > a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
> Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
>
> What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
A lot of this stuff that is reported is just anecdotal and hardly meets the level of dangerous hate crimes
> high school kid gets bullied
> asian man gets sprayed with febreeze on Subway
One AP story from a month ago is not “a lot of media coverage”
The NYT story that you shared that wad written recently share examples of situations where people felt discriminated against because they sneezed and someone looked “panicked”
It’s mostly just a bunch of people complaining about micro-aggressions which is a dubious concept to begin with
> a college student who feels offended because she felt as if she the looks she got when she sneezed were racist
> a person who felt like the looks the received while wear wearing a mask in public were racist
> a person who overheard someone mentioning that the coronavirus came about from eating bats was racist because Chinese people eat bats
That’s literally it. There is nothing there. This is a case of the cart pushing the horse
> > I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
> They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
>
> I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
>
> > a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
> Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
>
> What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
A lot of this stuff that is reported is just anecdotal and hardly meets the level of dangerous hate crimes
> high school kid gets bullied
> asian man gets sprayed with febreeze on Subway
One AP story from a month ago is not “a lot of media coverage”
The NYT story that you shared that wad written recently share examples of situations where people felt discriminated against because they sneezed and someone looked “panicked”
It’s mostly just a bunch of people complaining about micro-aggressions which is a dubious concept to begin with
> a college student who feels offended because she felt as if she the looks she got when she sneezed were racist
> a person who felt like the looks the received while wear wearing a mask in public were racist
> a person who overheard someone mentioning that the coronavirus came about from eating bats was racist because Chinese people eat bats
That’s literally it. There is nothing there. This is a case of the cart pushing the horse
Anonymous J replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,812
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,103,897
@1,103,751 (P)
> > > I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
> > They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
> >
> > I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
> >
> > > a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
> > Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
> >
> > What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
>
> A lot of this stuff that is reported is just anecdotal and hardly meets the level of dangerous hate crimes
>
> >high school kid gets bullied
> >asian man gets sprayed with febreeze on Subway
>
> One AP story from a month ago is not “a lot of media coverage”
>
> The NYT story that you shared that wad written recently share examples of situations where people felt discriminated against because they sneezed and someone looked “panicked”
>
> It’s mostly just a bunch of people complaining about micro-aggressions which is a dubious concept to begin with
>
> >a college student who feels offended because she felt as if she the looks she got when she sneezed were racist
> >a person who felt like the looks the received while wear wearing a mask in public were racist
> >a person who overheard someone mentioning that the coronavirus came about from eating bats was racist because Chinese people eat bats
>
> That’s literally it. There is nothing there. This is a case of the cart pushing the horse
you are the one that first used the term "hate crimes" so your response is to no one here other than yourself.
> > > I read the NYT and WaPo everyday haven’t seen any major coverage of a wave of Asian American hate crimes
> > They both ran versions of an AP story four days ago that plenty of other news media picked up as well. NYT WaPo The New York Times ran an article about rising tensions back in mid-February, as did the Washington Post. The Washington Post just ran an article last Friday with its coronavirus coverage that had interviews with media professionals and public health experts talking about how racial characterizations of the pandemic were dangerous.
> >
> > I'm beginning to think that when you say you don't see things it just means that you aren't looking. You sound very much like someone who would rather stick their head in the sand and invent convenient stories about bias in "the media" than actually examine an issue honestly. For someone so concerned about media bias, you seem bizarrely unaware of a lot of media coverage.
> >
> > > a handful of events in a nation of 300 million people isn’t enough to say it’s happening on a significant scale
> > Do you even have a standard for that? Is there some proportion of the population you've decided upon? If so, how did you come up with that number? There are numerous similar events across the country. What makes those events unimportant in assessing this in your opinion?
> >
> > What is the turning point where racist attacks go from "liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" to real events in your mind? How many photos of racist graffiti or confrontational videos from across the country do you need to see before you stop writing it off as media hype? You can find more events than what I turned up here if you're actually interested in looking. There are law enforcement agencies and concerned organizations are collecting reports of such events too.
>
> A lot of this stuff that is reported is just anecdotal and hardly meets the level of dangerous hate crimes
>
> >high school kid gets bullied
> >asian man gets sprayed with febreeze on Subway
>
> One AP story from a month ago is not “a lot of media coverage”
>
> The NYT story that you shared that wad written recently share examples of situations where people felt discriminated against because they sneezed and someone looked “panicked”
>
> It’s mostly just a bunch of people complaining about micro-aggressions which is a dubious concept to begin with
>
> >a college student who feels offended because she felt as if she the looks she got when she sneezed were racist
> >a person who felt like the looks the received while wear wearing a mask in public were racist
> >a person who overheard someone mentioning that the coronavirus came about from eating bats was racist because Chinese people eat bats
>
> That’s literally it. There is nothing there. This is a case of the cart pushing the horse
you are the one that first used the term "hate crimes" so your response is to no one here other than yourself.
Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 13 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,104,301
@1,103,751 (P)> A lot of this stuff that is reported is just anecdotal and hardly meets the level of dangerous hate crimes
That's why I'm asking what your standard is or if you have one. At what point do you stop being dismissive and think these events are actually happening?
How many reports do you have to hear about before you think they reflect reality and they stop being "just anecdotal" in your mind? Do you weight slurs and harassment differently than property damage? Is graffiti specifically about the virus meaningful in your world or just a coincidence? Do you only worry about events once they have escalated to violence? What is dangerous enough that you deem it worthy? Will only one or two assaults matter or do we need hundreds before you decide it's not just media hype? Surely there is some logic to how you are making your judgments. What's the bar they have to clear?
So far your response to anything that's been cited has been to ignore arrests or inconvenient incidents of assault or vandalism and dismiss the whole lot of it on the basis of as oversensitive people who just felt discriminated against. You saw an article about gun sales where a gun store owner said that his customers were coming in buying weapons out of fear of being attacked for being Chinese and you decided it meant that they were really afraid of looting. I'm curious what would constitute an actual example of racism or racial tension in your mind. Or is the game to interpret every story as just run-of-mill event or crime with an incidental racial component - maybe just a series of coincidences that suddenly happened to a bunch of Asian people this past month. I really am curious if there is a standard in your world for what constitutes clear-cut racism. But I don't want to play a game where you sit around refusing to see anything until it is shoved under your nose, only so you can re-interpret it and find new ways to be dismissive.
I am genuinely curious about what your method for deciding is based on. I'm interested to know how you got from "I have seen no reports of hate toward Asian Americans" to being sure that "asian hate panic is just liberal handwringing 'gotcha!' journalism" in almost no time at all. What's the magic formula where you go from complete ignorance of a subject to confidently asserting it to be a media ploy?
Since you read the New York Times you might have seen yet another story from yesterday about the recent rise in racist incidents. They reference some people from the Asian Pacific Policy & Planning Council who are tracking increases of discriminatory incidents since the beginning of February.
US President Donald Trump actually seems to have acknowledged that there may be a problem today. To his credit, he tweeted out: It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world. They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form. They are working closely with us to get rid of it. WE WILL PREVAIL TOGETHER!. That came in between tweets about using an anti-malaria drug to fight COVID-19 and a video of a press conference. So that's good I guess. Maybe he can be more accurate in the future about who he wants to blame for things.
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Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,104,378
I read the NYT article yesterday more of the same. The study you linked is a joke. You should read it.
Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 15 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,104,632
@previous (P)
Well, the New York Attorney General seems to be taking things seriously. I don't expect you to. You seem to be dismissive about everything except your own narrative.
I was serious though, how are you assessing these stories? I would very much like to believe that racism is nothing more than liberal media hype. What are your guidelines for detecting liberal media conspiracies?
And how do I apply those rules? If I see reports of people struggling to get toilet paper, do I immediately call it liberal gotcha journalism or do I wait a little bit? Should I try to verify it or should I wait for someone to convince me? At what point should I pivot from calling reports of a few sick people a liberal media hoax to taking it seriously as a global pandemic?
What is your method for distinguishing real events that happen as a consequence of reality from mere anecdotes?
Well, the New York Attorney General seems to be taking things seriously. I don't expect you to. You seem to be dismissive about everything except your own narrative.
I was serious though, how are you assessing these stories? I would very much like to believe that racism is nothing more than liberal media hype. What are your guidelines for detecting liberal media conspiracies?
And how do I apply those rules? If I see reports of people struggling to get toilet paper, do I immediately call it liberal gotcha journalism or do I wait a little bit? Should I try to verify it or should I wait for someone to convince me? At what point should I pivot from calling reports of a few sick people a liberal media hoax to taking it seriously as a global pandemic?
What is your method for distinguishing real events that happen as a consequence of reality from mere anecdotes?
Anonymous P replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,104,647
Intuition