Topic: Question for the ones good at math
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago #97,044
I never guessed i would face a math question like the ones in those schools i went to, and yes I'm bad at math how funny. Ha-ha. here it goes:
If i have two 10ml bottles with 6 mg of nicotine... Wait. I'm confused. I have two bottles with 18mg of nicotine and I put it in a bottle containing 40ml of other stuff. How many... Ml of nicotine is in the 40ml bottle....
It's obviously 12,but I'm trying to understand how much nicotine I'm smoking now vs what I used to. Also the bottles don't make sense anymore, how can a bottle say it's total amount is 10ml yet say it has 18ml of nicotine in it? WTF?
If i have two 10ml bottles with 6 mg of nicotine... Wait. I'm confused. I have two bottles with 18mg of nicotine and I put it in a bottle containing 40ml of other stuff. How many... Ml of nicotine is in the 40ml bottle....
It's obviously 12,but I'm trying to understand how much nicotine I'm smoking now vs what I used to. Also the bottles don't make sense anymore, how can a bottle say it's total amount is 10ml yet say it has 18ml of nicotine in it? WTF?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later[^] [v] #1,095,359
Isn't nicotine content usually listed as a ratio of mgs of nicotine per mL of fluid?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,360
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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 7 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,429
no wait I got it
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,454
4.5% nicotine by volume.
If it's 18mg of nicotine.
3% nicotine by volume.
If it is 12mg of nicotine.
If it's 18mg of nicotine.
3% nicotine by volume.
If it is 12mg of nicotine.
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 39 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,466
Ask the guy or female behind the counter where you buy that crap. They’re always happy to help customers about vape related things.
dreamworks joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,542
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 49 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,552
> > how can a bottle say it's total amount is 10ml yet say it has 18mg of nicotine in it? WTF?
It makes perfect sense. The specific gravity of pure nicotine is 1.009 g/ml. So each gram of nicotine will have a volume of 1.009ml. A milligram is a thousandth of a gram.
18mg of nicotine is .018 grams of nicotine, which will have a volume of ~.018ml so the bottle is .018ml nicotine and 9.982ml other stuff. You could fit almost 10,000mg of nicotine in a 10ml bottle before you get worried about running out of room.
It makes perfect sense. The specific gravity of pure nicotine is 1.009 g/ml. So each gram of nicotine will have a volume of 1.009ml. A milligram is a thousandth of a gram.
18mg of nicotine is .018 grams of nicotine, which will have a volume of ~.018ml so the bottle is .018ml nicotine and 9.982ml other stuff. You could fit almost 10,000mg of nicotine in a 10ml bottle before you get worried about running out of room.
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Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,553
> If i have two 10ml bottles with 6 mg of nicotine... Wait. I'm confused. I have two bottles with 18mg of nicotine and I put it in a bottle containing 40ml of other stuff. How many... Ml of nicotine is in the 40ml bottle...
Your confusion is because you're asking the wrong question. It doesn't matter if you add those two bottles to 40ml of liquid or an olympic size swimming pool or if you dump them in the pacific ocean. The resulting mixture will have 36 mg of nicotine in it either way. How much (total) nicotine is in the bottle doesn't matter. How much nicotine per ml of liquid is the question you need to answer.
The right question to ask is what is the percentage of nicotine (in mg nicotine per ml of liquid).
If you tell me the numbers off the bottles you are mixing, I will be happy to calculate this for you.
Your confusion is because you're asking the wrong question. It doesn't matter if you add those two bottles to 40ml of liquid or an olympic size swimming pool or if you dump them in the pacific ocean. The resulting mixture will have 36 mg of nicotine in it either way. How much (total) nicotine is in the bottle doesn't matter. How much nicotine per ml of liquid is the question you need to answer.
The right question to ask is what is the percentage of nicotine (in mg nicotine per ml of liquid).
If you tell me the numbers off the bottles you are mixing, I will be happy to calculate this for you.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 37 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,561
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)Huh well that cleared things up for me.
I am mixing two 10 ml bottles with 18 "ml/mg" of nicotine in it, with a 40ml bottle of flavor and no nicotine.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,563
@previous (A)
Wait i got it! It's a 40ml bottle. The nicotine base in the two bottles i put in it is 18 and 10ml. So:
Add 10ml of flavor, i slash the nicotine in half. I have two bottles so:
+10 = 9 N
+10 = 9 N
Now I still have 20 ml left of flavor... So i repeat the process and that should mean I'm smoking what the store would call a 9 mg. Right?
Wait i got it! It's a 40ml bottle. The nicotine base in the two bottles i put in it is 18 and 10ml. So:
Add 10ml of flavor, i slash the nicotine in half. I have two bottles so:
+10 = 9 N
+10 = 9 N
Now I still have 20 ml left of flavor... So i repeat the process and that should mean I'm smoking what the store would call a 9 mg. Right?
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,564
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,569
@1,095,563 (A)
> I'm smoking what the store would call a 9 mg. Right?
I don't vape so I'm not sure what "a 9mg" means. There's 9mg of nicotine in... how many ml of fluid? Again we're back to the original question.
If you have 40ml of inert (nicotine-free) fluid and you add two 10ml bottles containing 18 mg nicotine, you will have 60ml of liquid with 36mg of nicotine in it (40ml+10ml+10ml for the volume, and 18mg+18mg for the nicotine). This is a nicotine strength of 0.6mg/ml of nicotine. I'm not sure if this is stronger or weaker than you usually vape, but that is what it will be.
> I'm smoking what the store would call a 9 mg. Right?
I don't vape so I'm not sure what "a 9mg" means. There's 9mg of nicotine in... how many ml of fluid? Again we're back to the original question.
If you have 40ml of inert (nicotine-free) fluid and you add two 10ml bottles containing 18 mg nicotine, you will have 60ml of liquid with 36mg of nicotine in it (40ml+10ml+10ml for the volume, and 18mg+18mg for the nicotine). This is a nicotine strength of 0.6mg/ml of nicotine. I'm not sure if this is stronger or weaker than you usually vape, but that is what it will be.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,570
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Okay that is what I normally vape. Thank you. I was close though, pretty damn close.
Okay that is what I normally vape. Thank you. I was close though, pretty damn close.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,571
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 40 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,584
@1,095,570 (A)Just be careful mixing shit up man. Nicotine is relatively hard to kill yourself with but if you make incredibly basic errors like confusing grams and milligrams when dosing real drugs, you could end up dead. Play it safe and do the math first before you start putting chemicals in your body.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,587
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Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 25 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,600
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Thanks! I'm good at this kind of problem because it's very similar to the math I would do for drinking. I calculated my drinking in ml of ethanol which made it easier to figure out how much of what kind of alcohol I needed to get drunk. Also which alcohol was cheaper per ml of ethanol.
So for example a bottle of 13% wine has 750*.13=97.5ml of ethanol in it. A bottle of 40% spirits has 750*.4=300ml of ethanol. So a bottle of wine is a third of a bottle of whiskey, in terms of ethanol. If whiskey is $10 a bottle and wine is $2.50 a bottle, which do you buy to get drunk cheaper? It's impossible to answer the question any other way.
Conversely, say you need 250ml of ethanol to get drunk. How much alcohol do you need to buy? Again, you have to do to the math.
I would also figure out how much Franzia was left in a box by weighing it. I kept an empty box, weighed that, set the scale to zero and then weighed the partially consumed Franzia box in grams and then converted that to ml. (This is kind of a sloppy way to do it because the specific gravity of wine is not 1.0 (like water) but usually between 0.992 and 0.996 but this will let you know how many liters of wine is in the box within 99% accuracy).
Some math genuinely is useless in daily life though. I've never used calculus or quadratic equations or any of that stuff. They shouldn't teach that to kids who aren't going into real science or engineering. But basic arithmetic (which is all I used in the problem) and understanding the difference between grams and milligrams, that is really useful stuff.
Thanks! I'm good at this kind of problem because it's very similar to the math I would do for drinking. I calculated my drinking in ml of ethanol which made it easier to figure out how much of what kind of alcohol I needed to get drunk. Also which alcohol was cheaper per ml of ethanol.
So for example a bottle of 13% wine has 750*.13=97.5ml of ethanol in it. A bottle of 40% spirits has 750*.4=300ml of ethanol. So a bottle of wine is a third of a bottle of whiskey, in terms of ethanol. If whiskey is $10 a bottle and wine is $2.50 a bottle, which do you buy to get drunk cheaper? It's impossible to answer the question any other way.
Conversely, say you need 250ml of ethanol to get drunk. How much alcohol do you need to buy? Again, you have to do to the math.
I would also figure out how much Franzia was left in a box by weighing it. I kept an empty box, weighed that, set the scale to zero and then weighed the partially consumed Franzia box in grams and then converted that to ml. (This is kind of a sloppy way to do it because the specific gravity of wine is not 1.0 (like water) but usually between 0.992 and 0.996 but this will let you know how many liters of wine is in the box within 99% accuracy).
Some math genuinely is useless in daily life though. I've never used calculus or quadratic equations or any of that stuff. They shouldn't teach that to kids who aren't going into real science or engineering. But basic arithmetic (which is all I used in the problem) and understanding the difference between grams and milligrams, that is really useful stuff.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 36 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,607
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
This was nice to read and informative. Im really enjoying learning about you
Also it's sad that your way with numbers helped enable your addiction
This was nice to read and informative. Im really enjoying learning about you
Also it's sad that your way with numbers helped enable your addiction
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,610
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I found beer frustrating to deal with because it's mainly sold in ounces whereas wine and spirits are sold in liters. So I had to convert it to metric first which I found annoying.
It definitely made me a better alcohol shopper. It probably also helped that I didn't really care about taste or quality. The nice thing about that is I don't miss the taste of alcohol. Actually no one likes the taste of alcohol. If you drink pure alcohol, it's absolutely disgusting. Take a shot of neat Everclear, no chaser. That's what drinking alcohol is like. That's the taste of alcohol. What people like is the other crap - the sugar, grape juice, hops, oak barrels, whatever. Alcohol is only drinkable when it's diluted with 60-90% other stuff.
Maybe I should put my skills to use and open a hotline for people mixing their own vaping liquid ?
I found beer frustrating to deal with because it's mainly sold in ounces whereas wine and spirits are sold in liters. So I had to convert it to metric first which I found annoying.
It definitely made me a better alcohol shopper. It probably also helped that I didn't really care about taste or quality. The nice thing about that is I don't miss the taste of alcohol. Actually no one likes the taste of alcohol. If you drink pure alcohol, it's absolutely disgusting. Take a shot of neat Everclear, no chaser. That's what drinking alcohol is like. That's the taste of alcohol. What people like is the other crap - the sugar, grape juice, hops, oak barrels, whatever. Alcohol is only drinkable when it's diluted with 60-90% other stuff.
Maybe I should put my skills to use and open a hotline for people mixing their own vaping liquid ?
dreamworks replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,611
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,667
@1,095,610 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Some people drink straight liquor and I can't imagine living such a life. Most of the time, if I can taste alcohol,it's so bad to me that my brains goes "Its Poison" and I can't swallow
Some people drink straight liquor and I can't imagine living such a life. Most of the time, if I can taste alcohol,it's so bad to me that my brains goes "Its Poison" and I can't swallow
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,095,809
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Did you hear about the guy who drank turps and then accidentally set fire to himself from the inside?
Did you hear about the guy who drank turps and then accidentally set fire to himself from the inside?