Topic: Gender dysphoria is a fucking mental disorder!
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago#96,444
Get the fuck used to it. The fact that people are usually complacent with their assigned biological sex is clear evidence that feeling disdain isn’t normal. Fuck this scene bullshit and fuck anyone who says that there is nothing wrong with transitioning for fun. I hope they give themselves crippling dysphoria to the point they feel suicidal because they did it to themselves.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,088,193
@previous (A)
That really doesn't help. It partitions "illnesses" into:
Disease: A particular distinctive process in the body with a specific cause and characteristic symptoms.
Disorder: Irregularity, disturbance, or interruption of normal functions.
Syndrome: A number of symptoms occurring together and characterizing a specific disease.
There is no clear distinction between "illness" (use in the general sense) and "disorder" (which is defined, sort of) here. The definition of a disorder leading to disruption of "normal" functions leads to some problematic issues. If I think my son not taking out the trash when I tell him is abnormal, does that count? Can I say he is mentally ill?
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 9 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,088,253
like, what if a virus in your head did it
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,088,284
@1,088,193 (C)
Why are you making such a meal of this? It's really not that hard to understand. "illness" is a broader term that includes disease, so it wouldn't be appropriate to say "mental illness" when talking about gender dysphoria, as it could imply, more specifically, a disease rather than a disorder.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,088,333
@previous (E)
Gender dysphoria isn’t comparable to schizophrenia and other such conditions.
Dead !Pool..v42s joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 days later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,089,155
Maybe folks who transition and deny it may be slow to understand that they have dysphoria.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,089,326
@1,088,284 (E) > Why are you making such a meal of this?
Mostly because the definitions suck and don't have a lot to do with actual diagnostic criteria used by professionals or listed in the DSM or ICD. Trying to split hairs between pet definitions of words is usually just a pointless exercise in rhetoric.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 11 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#1,089,365
@previous (C)
"Gender dysphoria" is listed in the DSM though.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 6 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#1,089,464
@previous (A)
Gender dysphoria is indeed listed in the DSM. However, the DSM doesn't hew to the definitions you linked when determining whether something is a disorder. Specifically, it has this to say:
A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual’s cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress or disability in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above
The DSM has an entry for gender dysphoria. The DSM also has entries for gambling, tobacco use, PMS, and other mundane things that may or may not become the focus of larger cognitive or emotional problems. Their listings are intentionally broad, but the criteria for something constituting a disorder generally requires a disturbance in thinking, emotion, or behavior that is leading to some kind of distress or disturbance in someone leading their life. It's very careful not make blanket statements like X is a fucking mental disorder!