Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later[^][v]#1,052,413
That MP who just described what happened on Saturday as a "Westminster bubble smarty-pants little stitch-up" is not wrong though. They are now quite blatently doing everything they possibly can to block any and every move.
tteh !GETFUCKED joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,052,417
We need to appoint Bercow Speaker for Life™.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,052,418
> They are now quite blatently doing everything they possibly can to block any and every move.
It's almost as if there are people in Parliament with enough brain cells to realise that Brexit was a dumb decision made by ill-informed morons.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,052,440
@previous (A) > It's almost as if there are people in Parliament with enough brain cells to realise that Brexit was a dumb decision made by ill-informed morons.
Yes, damn that democracy thing. What a pity that the majority of the British people are filthy uneducated peasants and that those proles are allowed to be involved in decision making. I wish everything could be decided solely by an elite political class in Westminster, or even better, by some unelected technocrats in Brussels.
Ananthanarayanan M R joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,442
@previous (B)
maybe they should do another referendum since you find the people's vote so important
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,452
@previous (Ananthanarayanan M R) > you find the people's vote so important
And you don't? Seems a bit anti-democratic to me. Anyway, what would be the point of having another referendum? The result of the first one wasn't respected, so why would you expect a different approach to a second?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,454
> > It's almost as if there are people in Parliament with enough brain cells to realise that Brexit was a dumb decision made by ill-informed morons. > Yes, damn that democracy thing. What a pity that the majority of the British people are filthy uneducated peasants and that those proles are allowed to be involved in decision making.
Couldn't have said it better. For centuries, educated and informed people made decisions of major political importance. The result was one of the greatest nations and empires the world has seen. Then in 2016 a question is reluctantly put to the proles, believing that even they won't be stupid enough to vote against their own interests. And sure enough the dumb fucks make a predictably retarded decision. Lesson learnt, hopefully.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,456
@previous (A)
Yeah. Similar to how Hilary's basket of deplorables voted for that orange man. Maybe it's time to ditch democracy - as Plato predicted, ultimately all you end up with is a ship of fools.
Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,457
@1,052,452 (B)
i do in fact! the point would be people might have a different opinion now. also there was only a 3% difference between the two options so it hardly seems conclusive to me.
in what way was the referendum not respected by the way?? aren't you guys brexitting next week?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,458
> Yeah. Similar to how Hilary's basket of deplorables voted for that orange man. Maybe it's time to ditch democracy
Long overdue.
Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,463
@previous (A)
how do you think we should choose our leaders
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 36 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,472
@1,052,457 (Ananthanarayanan M R) > there was only a 3% difference between the two options
Less, in fact. However, more people turned out to vote for the 2016 referendum than anything else in the country's history, so that 1.9% difference works out to well over a million people. General election results have been won many times on much smaller margins.
Edit: you're right I'm talking nonsense, it was about a 3% difference.
> people might have a different opinion now
Of course, but why not do one thing at a time? Why not give the people what they wanted 3 years ago, because that's what they wanted 3 years ago. Then in a few years' time, reassess the situation.
> aren't you guys brexitting next week?
As I said in another thread, I seriously doubt it!
(Edited 4 minutes later.)
Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 35 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,479
@previous (B)
reasses the situation in a few years? what are you proposing? they leave the union now and then in 5 years rejoin? why would the EU let them do that? how could that even work logistically? how many billions does that cost in taxpayer money? like if they did another referendum and there was say a 60% vote for remain you would want the uk to first leave the union because why?
I would also argue that general elections are vastly less important than the brexit referendum was.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,481
> reasses the situation in a few years? what are you proposing? they leave the union now and then in 5 years rejoin? why would the EU let them do that? how could that even work logistically? how many billions does that cost in taxpayer money? like if they did another referendum and there was say a 60% vote for remain you would want the uk to first leave the union because why?
Yep. The main downside of Brexit is the enormous time and expense of re-negotiating trade deals and supply chains. If Britain leaves on October 31st that isn't the end of the mess, it is the beginning of it, and don't believe for one second Johnson's nonsense about how leaving will "free up" Britain to do great trade deals with other countries, he's basically banking on Trump to make Britain the 51st state of America.
To waste everybody's time, energy and money re-negotiating new deals only to then turn around after 5 years and say "We've changed our minds, we want to come back" would be utter lunacy. It's basically like having an insanely expensive divorce every couple of years, losing more and more of your money and assets to legal fees and divorce settlements.
There is not one sound economic reason for Brexit. Sure you'll find the occasional billionaire businessman who champions it because he wants to be free of EU red tape and add another couple of billion to his bank balance, but for the average citizen, there is no good Brexit. If there was, Johnson's deal (which, let's not forget, is 98% the same as May's deal, which he was describing as awful just 3 months ago) wouldn't be, in his words, "the best deal we can possibly get. It's this or nothing".