Topic: In need of legal advice
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC started this discussion 6 years ago #92,837
If I were to make flyers and accuse someone of a crime, could I be sued? What if I were to suggest that they committed the crime instead? What if I didn't use their name, but only a photo as an identifier?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #1,052,183
If only there was someone here qualified to answer this. Someone whom isn't a disbarred paralegal.Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,185
Of course you could be sued. It is libel.
jodi !ariasXXmaE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,187
like those shoplifter signs?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 49 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,196
@OP
Why make flyers? Take out some ads on Facebook or Google Ads. It's not terribly expensive and they can help you target them pretty specifically to a geographic location.
Why make flyers? Take out some ads on Facebook or Google Ads. It's not terribly expensive and they can help you target them pretty specifically to a geographic location.
Erik !jzYkdX7lIw joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,199
Just hire Florida man thug to sort them out.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,200
Maybe rent 2 or 3 'billboards' around town and really get the message out.
Anonymous G double-posted this 6 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,201
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,224
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 39 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,225
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 36 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,233
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Make a sign that says "Do you recognize this person?" And show their picture.
And then "If you have any information regarding <insert crime and date> please call <fake number>
That will imply implications
Make a sign that says "Do you recognize this person?" And show their picture.
And then "If you have any information regarding <insert crime and date> please call <fake number>
That will imply implications
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,234
@1,052,224 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> What if I just imply it or say that I've heard a rumor of it?
You could probably be charged with harassment. If you suspect someone has committed a crime you should report it rather than putting up flyers.
> What if I just imply it or say that I've heard a rumor of it?
You could probably be charged with harassment. If you suspect someone has committed a crime you should report it rather than putting up flyers.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,235
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,241
Life is like a box of chocolates
Citizens arrest
Citizens asswhooping
Citizens arrest
Citizens asswhooping
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,243
Dodongo !ZQvsveEcD6 joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,245
How would they even know it was you who put the flyers up? Unless you were the victim or otherwise involved in some way, of course.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 37 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,246
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,249
@1,052,243 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> It has been reported
Then just let the police do their job. What would you gain from putting up flyers?
> It has been reported
Then just let the police do their job. What would you gain from putting up flyers?
Dodongo !ZQvsveEcD6 replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,250
@1,052,246 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Also what kind of personality does this person have? Are they the type to immediately seek legal help for all of their problems? I think for most people it would not be worth the headache, unless the posters were damaging in some major way, like if they were a local business owner and their livelihood depended on maintaining a good reputation within the community or something like that.
Also what kind of personality does this person have? Are they the type to immediately seek legal help for all of their problems? I think for most people it would not be worth the headache, unless the posters were damaging in some major way, like if they were a local business owner and their livelihood depended on maintaining a good reputation within the community or something like that.
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Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,258
beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,259
You can be sued. If it's true (or, the plaintiff can't prove it's false), the plaintiff will lose. Note that accusations of crime are treated more seriously and damages are assumed if defamation is proven, in most jurisdiction ("defamation per se").
Dodongo !ZQvsveEcD6 replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,261
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,276
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,277
@1,052,250 (Dodongo !ZQvsveEcD6)
They are the type of person to rob and rape homeless women. That is all that I know about him
They are the type of person to rob and rape homeless women. That is all that I know about him
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) triple-posted this 6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,278
@1,052,259 (beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg)
Can they sue if I imply something or print that Ive heard a rumour about something?
Can they sue if I imply something or print that Ive heard a rumour about something?
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,313
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Is this about trying to get back at your boss?
Is this about trying to get back at your boss?
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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,318
How about a positive statement that is understood to shame by those in the know, but says nothing that could bite you back in the ass, such as,
Please Good Citizens, Let Us Refrain from Abusing the Homeless
Please Good Citizens, Let Us Refrain from Abusing the Homeless
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,320
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Or even make signs that designate a place a "rape free zone" the way gun free zones work. No criminals would dare do any rapes in that zone.
Or even make signs that designate a place a "rape free zone" the way gun free zones work. No criminals would dare do any rapes in that zone.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,323
@previous (B)
isn't everywhere already against the law for rape? A zone for no rape would imply you could bend over and fuck anywone you want just outside
isn't everywhere already against the law for rape? A zone for no rape would imply you could bend over and fuck anywone you want just outside
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,325
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
> isn't everywhere already against the law for rape?
Which is why I don't get why she doesn't just let the police handle it. Putting up posters isn't going to help in any way. If anything it could tip the guy off and allow him to flee the area/country.
> isn't everywhere already against the law for rape?
Which is why I don't get why she doesn't just let the police handle it. Putting up posters isn't going to help in any way. If anything it could tip the guy off and allow him to flee the area/country.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,326
jodi !ariasXXmaE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,327
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,331
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,335
@1,052,278 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> or print that Ive heard a rumour about something
That's kind of what tabloids do in some cases. I think Gawker made a whole business model around it - start a whisper campaign about the story you want to tell and then report on how everyone is talking about all the gossip you just started.
Just please don't tweet that you heard some people whispering about it in a coffee shop. That tactic is so felt up.
> or print that Ive heard a rumour about something
That's kind of what tabloids do in some cases. I think Gawker made a whole business model around it - start a whisper campaign about the story you want to tell and then report on how everyone is talking about all the gossip you just started.
Just please don't tweet that you heard some people whispering about it in a coffee shop. That tactic is so felt up.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,336
jodi !ariasXXmaE replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,337
@1,052,331 (B)
> If you make the town a rape free zone, they have to leave!
well, what if they hide and rape in secret?
> If you make the town a rape free zone, they have to leave!
well, what if they hide and rape in secret?
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 35 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,346
beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg replied with this 6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,349
@1,052,278 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
People can sue over anything. Defamation includes any type of communication to third parties, there's no defense that you're just repeating what you've heard or implying something.
People can sue over anything. Defamation includes any type of communication to third parties, there's no defense that you're just repeating what you've heard or implying something.
Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,350
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,362
@1,052,327 (jodi !ariasXXmaE)
> a rapist leaving town don't sound too bad
So he leaves a place where the police are investigating him and turns up somewhere where he isn't known? Yeah, sounds great.
> a rapist leaving town don't sound too bad
So he leaves a place where the police are investigating him and turns up somewhere where he isn't known? Yeah, sounds great.
Ananthanarayanan M R joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 50 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,366
just put beware this man or something
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 40 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,369
Kirk !!xyhURap6u joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,385
At ease, Anonymous G. @previous (G)
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,407
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,445
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,448
@1,052,349 (beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg)
But how could I word it as to make it unlikely that they would win?
But how could I word it as to make it unlikely that they would win?
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,449
@1,052,326 (B)
> Rapes happen though. Clearly rape free zones are needed.
we already got them. it's called everywhere that has law
> Rapes happen though. Clearly rape free zones are needed.
we already got them. it's called everywhere that has law
Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,451
@1,052,346 (B)
> No, rape free zones work the same as gun free zones. Thanks
in areas where laws prohibit something, law enforcement has the option to arrest. that is the supposed purpose of criminal law. laws don't make everyone behave. that's why there are provisions for arrest and imprisonment.
> No, rape free zones work the same as gun free zones. Thanks
in areas where laws prohibit something, law enforcement has the option to arrest. that is the supposed purpose of criminal law. laws don't make everyone behave. that's why there are provisions for arrest and imprisonment.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 24 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,460
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 24 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,461
@1,052,448 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> But how could I word it as to make it unlikely that they would win?
You can't. Defamation laws are set up to prevent the exact thing you want to do. Just leave it to the fucking police.
> But how could I word it as to make it unlikely that they would win?
You can't. Defamation laws are set up to prevent the exact thing you want to do. Just leave it to the fucking police.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,464
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,466
beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg replied with this 6 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,541
@1,052,448 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
There's no "one weird trick" here. Generally speaking, the more opinion-like the statement, the better. Saying it to the police, and then publicizing the police report, may be more defensible in some jurisdictions (not sure about yours) because statements to the police are privileged to some extent in many places (again, not sure about yours). The more well-known the person, the harder it is for them to win (you're allowed to say more about public figures). None of this is going to help you much because you're pretty much asking to do exactly what defamation laws exist to disincentivize.
On the plus side, if you don't have many assets, he'll probably be less likely to sue. You may even be able to bankrupt it out if he wins!
There's no "one weird trick" here. Generally speaking, the more opinion-like the statement, the better. Saying it to the police, and then publicizing the police report, may be more defensible in some jurisdictions (not sure about yours) because statements to the police are privileged to some extent in many places (again, not sure about yours). The more well-known the person, the harder it is for them to win (you're allowed to say more about public figures). None of this is going to help you much because you're pretty much asking to do exactly what defamation laws exist to disincentivize.
On the plus side, if you don't have many assets, he'll probably be less likely to sue. You may even be able to bankrupt it out if he wins!
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,548
@previous (beckyderp !3NeoVaGFAg)
I'm now worrying that if he doesn't know my identity, he might try and sue the victim.
I'm now worrying that if he doesn't know my identity, he might try and sue the victim.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,665
@1,052,464 (B)
why are you being specific about guns? I speak of laws in general. The word "crime" is reserved in the legal sense to mean violations of the set laws. No laws, then no crimes in the legal sense. We specifically define the crimes in the wording of the laws.
why are you being specific about guns? I speak of laws in general. The word "crime" is reserved in the legal sense to mean violations of the set laws. No laws, then no crimes in the legal sense. We specifically define the crimes in the wording of the laws.
Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,697
just put beware this man in big red letters
Beware replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,052,704
Murphy's Law