Topic: For those keeping count, Boris Johnson lost his 8th straight vote today.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U started this discussion 6 years ago#92,798
Yet in the words of England's greatest ever military general, Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett, "If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through".
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later[^][v]#1,051,808
I do enjoy laughing at him for this, and dislike him. However, to be completely fair to him, he's in a tough situation. He's trying to solve the most contentious political issue of our time while governing with a minority. I think anyone who got the top job would have trouble.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,051,814
Nah, he deserves this. He created this situation back in 2016 with the nonsense and lies he and Dominic Cummings spread across London buses. Who was it who said leaving the EU would be "easy"? Johnson. Who was it who voted against May's deal 3 times, only to then 'negotiate' (lol) what he has called an "excellent" deal which happens to be 98% May's deal? Johnson. Who stripped Ken Clarke (the last sane voice in the Conservative Part) of the whip for daring to vote according to reason and logic? Johnson. Who has appointed that idiot Cummings as his main advisor? Johnson.
In short, I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for him. This "most contentious political issue of our time" is his own making. All his life he has wanted to be Prime Minister and he was prepared to hobble Cameron and May and ultimately his country to achieve his goal.
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Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,051,817
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Oh no, I agree he deserves it and brought it on himself. I just think that, purely in terms of performance, nobody else could really do much better.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 seconds later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,051,818
Hey guys let's derail Brexit and then blame it on the brexiteer!
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,826
> Hey guys let's derail Brexit and then blame it on the brexiteer!
This would lose much of its delicious irony if it weren't Brexiteer-in-Chief Boris Johnson who derailed May's Brexit deal 3 times, only to then start crying about "derail and delay" tactics when he was in the hot seat. But let's not let a few facts get in the way of a good Trumpian-level meme shall we?
Alternately, we could ask Brexiteers if Johnson's deal is what they voted for (spoiler alert, it isn't; the one accurate thing Farage has said in the last 3 years is his annihilation yesterday of Johnson's deal, which is nothing like the 'Brexit' he promised). And when 99.99% of them admit they haven't read a single word of it we can conclude that their decision was based on emotion more than facts and reason, which is rarely the wisest basis for an epoch-defining political decision.
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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,828
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,829
Honk
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,831
Boris didn't lose the vote because they didn't vote on the deal. They voted on an amendment to the deal, which effectively meant a meaningful vote on the deal itself was not possible today. Do try to keep up.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,836
> Boris didn't lose the vote because they didn't vote on the deal. They voted on an amendment to the deal, which effectively meant a meaningful vote on the deal itself was not possible today. Do try to keep up.
The government formally opposed the Letwin amendment. Do try to keep up.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,839
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
You either thought they lost the meaningful vote on the deal today, or you tried to make it sound as if they did, and you know it. Do try to keep up and/or stop deliberately trying to mislead people.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,842
> You either thought they lost the meaningful vote on the deal today, or you tried to make it sound as if they did, and you know it. Do try to keep up and/or stop deliberately trying to mislead people.
The "meaningful vote" did not go ahead as planned because the government was defeated over the Letwin amendment. Which part of this are you struggling with?
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,843
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > The "meaningful vote" did not go ahead as planned because the government was defeated over the Letwin amendment. Which part of this are you struggling with?
So you admit that they didn't have the meaningful vote today, therefore Boris could not have lost it. Thanks, that will be all.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,051,846
> > The "meaningful vote" did not go ahead as planned because the government was defeated over the Letwin amendment. Which part of this are you struggling with? > So you admit that they didn't have the meaningful vote today, therefore Boris could not have lost it. Thanks, that will be all.
This monomaniacal obsession you have with the "meaningful vote" is a) entirely your own and b) indicative of an incredibly simplistic understanding of how Brexit and the Parliamentary votes work.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,849
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > This monomaniacal obsession you have with the "meaningful vote" is a) entirely your own and b) indicative of an incredibly simplistic understanding of how Brexit and the Parliamentary votes work.
The fact that the term "meaningful vote" is alien to you indicates that both your points a) and b) apply to you, not to me.
You didn't argue like this with what Sheila said (@1,051,828 (Sheila LaBoof)) perhaps because it was put more simply: "they voted on some boring details garbage" is not inaccurate. In the end, history will either forget the Benn Surrender Act and the Letwin Delay Amendment (which you and a dwindling minority feel are so terribly important) or else remember them as a couple of annoying obstacles which got in the way of progress.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,901
> > This monomaniacal obsession you have with the "meaningful vote" is a) entirely your own and b) indicative of an incredibly simplistic understanding of how Brexit and the Parliamentary votes work. > The fact that the term "meaningful vote" is alien to you indicates that both your points a) and b) apply to you, not to me.
It is not an alien term to me. It is a term that has nothing to do with the fact that Johnson lost another vote today. Do try and keep up.
> the Benn Surrender Act and the Letwin Delay Amendment
Make Britain Great Again!
> which you and a dwindling minority feel are so terribly important
That "dwindling minority" being Parliament, which has voted for both bills. I suggest you send Johnson a letter assuring him this stuff is, in your erudite opinion, 'meaningless garbage'. It might allay his palpable anger at having lost yet another vote today.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,915
Johnson has just sent a letter to the EU asking for a delay. Which is as good a reason as any to take an amused stroll through the archives:
Reporter: "Hello Prime Minister. Can you make a promise today to the British public that you will not ask for a further delay to Brexit?"
Johnson: "Yes. I can. I'd rather be dead in a ditch".
But as with Trump, I'm sure all this incompetence and lying is just 4D underwater chess that only he truly understands.
If only Johnson hadn't persuaded his colleagues in the ERG to vote against May's deal, Brexit would probably have happened by now. Just don't mention that irksome fact to his fanboys the next time Boris whines about "delaying tactics".
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Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,917
@1,051,901 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > It is a term that has nothing to do with the fact that Johnson lost another vote today.
Really? Yes, I can see this all went completely over your head. Do try first to understand at least the basics of what happened today (then try to keep up with the details) before spouting your nonsense.
> I suggest you send Johnson a letter assuring him this stuff is, in your erudite opinion, 'meaningless garbage'.
I don't need to. I'm sure he already knows very well that it is.
> > the Benn Surrender Act and the Letwin Delay Amendment > Make Britain Great Again!
Hmm, yeah I bet you're one of those special brand of fools who thinks Jo Swinson should be PM.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,918
> > It is a term that has nothing to do with the fact that Johnson lost another vote today. > Really? Yes, I can see this all went completely over your head. Do try first to understand at least the basics of what happened today (then try to keep up with the details) before spouting your nonsense.
What happened today is Johnson's government lost yet another vote. Losing this vote meant that he had to abandon his plan to vote on his deal. I'll ask you again, with which part of this are you struggling?
> > I suggest you send Johnson a letter assuring him this stuff is, in your erudite opinion, 'meaningless garbage'. > I don't need to. I'm sure he already knows very well that it is.
So his speech after the vote begging those who voted for Letwin was just him practicing his acting skills? Good lord you're all over the map here.
> > > the Benn Surrender Act and the Letwin Delay Amendment > > Make Britain Great Again! > Hmm, yeah I bet you're one of those special brand of fools who thinks Jo Swinson should be PM.
It's not my country, I couldn't care less who is Prime Minister. I just enjoy pointing out the idiocy of clueless sheep who turn to demagogue blowhards with a history of pathological lying as their beacons of hope. For that reason, I thank you for amusing me this fine evening. Now you go have yourself a blessed day my child. We're done here.
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,919
Johnson is a joke. Can't wait for him to sod off and die.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,920
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
You have authority issues.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 31 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,936
I mean Edison had to try over a thousand times to get a working lightbulb. Could you imagine if 1800s ni??as were all like "Edison is such a failure, kerosene lamps and candles will reign supreme forever". Compared to this, Boris Johnson is already a huge success.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,943
JOHNSON DEAD IN A DITCH
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,948
> I mean Edison had to try over a thousand times to get a working lightbulb. Could you imagine if 1800s ni??as were all like "Edison is such a failure, kerosene lamps and candles will reign supreme forever". Compared to this, Boris Johnson is already a huge success.
A closer analogy would be if Edison had said "Inventing a lightbulb will be a perfectly simple process", and then spent 3 and a half years doing everything in his power to sabotage the invention of the lightbulb, and then labelled someone else's lightbulb as the worst lightbulb ever invented, and then stole that person's blueprints for the lightbulb, and then proclaimed it the greatest lightbulb ever invented and found a small army of credulous dullards to believe him.
Thankfully, Edison was not a complete and utter moron and so he didn't do any of those things.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 30 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,957
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,958
Ionize tg2merrin
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,959
@1,051,918 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > he had to abandon his plan to vote on his deal.
Very good, Sooo... the vote which was supposed to take place today did not happen. Therefore Boris could not possibly have lost it. Now I'll ask you, with which part of this are you struggling?
> So his speech after the vote begging those who voted for Letwin was just him practicing his acting skills?
I didn't see any begging going on. Why would he need to beg? Good lord you're all over the map here.
> We're done here.
Yes, I think we are. I suggest you stick with your religion, father - politics is clearly not your forte.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,965
> > he had to abandon his plan to vote on his deal. > Very good, Sooo... the vote which was supposed to take place today did not happen. Therefore Boris could not possibly have lost it.
For the love of God, you're still obsessing over this withdrawal vote issue? Go back and re-read the OP of this thread and then answer this question: who other than you is talking about the vote for Johnson's deal? Johnson lost the vote on the Letwin amendment. Do you understand this very simple statement? Why are you obsessing over something that nobody other than you has mentioned in this thread? Prior to today, Johnson lost 7 other votes. Are you suggesting those don't count because they weren't the final withdrawal vote? You are rambling on about a completely different issue.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,969
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > For the love of God, you're still obsessing over this withdrawal vote issue?
No, but it sure looks like you are. I thought we had concluded our little chat, the final result of which was that you had demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you watch the live replay of Boris's point of order following the pointless Letwin shenanigans you are stuck on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkixKUMiTI&t=22905
You seem to be getting very upset about all this. Try going for a little walk around the churchyard, father.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,973
> > For the love of God, you're still obsessing over this withdrawal vote issue? > No, but it sure looks like you are. I thought we had concluded our little chat, the final result of which was that you had demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you watch the live replay of Boris's point of order following the pointless Letwin shenanigans you are stuck on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkixKUMiTI&t=22905 > > You seem to be getting very upset about all this. Try going for a little walk around the churchyard, father.
Since you conveniently edited my post in order to avoid answering the question, I'll ask you again: who other than you is talking about the vote for Johnson's deal in this thread? Johnson lost the vote on the Letwin amendment. Do you understand this? Do you understand that that is the 8th vote he has lost, and not the vote on his withdrawal plan that you are trying to shift the narrative to? I'll give you one more chance to answer.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,051,979
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
LOL. He's STILL going!
> I'll give you one more chance to answer.
Really?! How benevolent of you, father! How lucky I am for this unique opportunity which you have kindly granted to me to answer your urgent questions. Lord hear us. Lord graciously hear us. (When you're taking mass tomorrow, try not to scowl too much when you get to that bit).
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 25 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,052,001
> LOL. He's STILL going! > > > I'll give you one more chance to answer. > Really?! How benevolent of you, father! How lucky I am for this unique opportunity which you have kindly granted to me to answer your urgent questions. Lord hear us. Lord graciously hear us. (When you're taking mass tomorrow, try not to scowl too much when you get to that bit).