Topic: Are you people aware of the wisdom of the keto and carnivore 'diets'
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago #92,428
I remember syntax blabbering about cholesterol this and cholesterol that...frankly he is deluded by the old school thinking RE; quackery which has not served our culture well at all.
Ever see pics of Woodstock? Why were there no fatfucks? It is because the quackery was only yet begining at that time.
Ever see pics of Woodstock? Why were there no fatfucks? It is because the quackery was only yet begining at that time.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #1,049,007
Margerine in place of butter?
Yes, if you are retarded.
Yes, if you are retarded.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,011
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,013
I can't believe it's not butthole
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 58 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,014
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 14 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,145
Health bump
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,150
High fat diet is great for you.
High cholesterol bunk science is the way of death.
Many people do well eating only meat.
Ohhhh but one needs so many varied nutrients you say.
Did you know that some parts of a typical Western diet can inhibit the absorbtion of certain vitamins and minerals ?
Butter is many times better for you than oils of margerine.
We have been misled by quackery.
High cholesterol bunk science is the way of death.
Many people do well eating only meat.
Ohhhh but one needs so many varied nutrients you say.
Did you know that some parts of a typical Western diet can inhibit the absorbtion of certain vitamins and minerals ?
Butter is many times better for you than oils of margerine.
We have been misled by quackery.
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Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,151
This one little trick can change your whole life.
Eliminate carbs.
The more you know
Eliminate carbs.
The more you know
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,152
Sugar and carbs cause fat and disease, NOT meat and butter.
Anonymous A (OP) quintuple-posted this 6 years ago, 47 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,170
Fine hide your heads in the sand and pretend you haven't been fooled.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,173
@1,049,150 (A)
> High fat diet is great for you.
> High cholesterol bunk science is the way of death.
> Many people do well eating only meat.
>
> Ohhhh but one needs so many varied nutrients you say.
>
> Did you know that some parts of a typical Western diet can inhibit the absorbtion of certain vitamins and minerals ?
>
> Butter is many times better for you than oils of margerine.
>
> We have been misled by quackery.
I suggest you read this - IT Does Support a Keto diet (respect the limitations)
You just need to pay attention to this -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
The problem with anything that increases cholesterol levels is really a matter of how many people end up with those ugly fatty deposits on critical Artery Walls - They end up sticky and make the walls Hard (Blood Pressure Climbs n Climbs) and your Arteries Pump blood just like the Heart - Hard Arteries can be made softer and cleaner Naturally But damn it takes a huge amount of work and time to make that happen -
So there is a price 2B paid for jacking up Blood Cholesterol - More important is the HDL/LDL ratio
Read this please (I only copypasta it as work prep is mean as all fuck at momento)
If YOU end up with Hard Pipes inside body YOU of course can work hard to try and fix your own pipes OR have Docs Roto Rooter them for you. Those who go the Roto Rooter route end up having to repeat it enough so Docs get to buy new boats or private Jet with your money
> High fat diet is great for you.
> High cholesterol bunk science is the way of death.
> Many people do well eating only meat.
>
> Ohhhh but one needs so many varied nutrients you say.
>
> Did you know that some parts of a typical Western diet can inhibit the absorbtion of certain vitamins and minerals ?
>
> Butter is many times better for you than oils of margerine.
>
> We have been misled by quackery.
I suggest you read this - IT Does Support a Keto diet (respect the limitations)
You just need to pay attention to this -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
Is a ketogenic diet healthy?
We have solid evidence showing that a ketogenic diet reduces seizures in children, sometimes as effectively as medication. Because of these neuroprotective effects, questions have been raised about the possible benefits for other brain disorders such as Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, sleep disorders, autism, and even brain cancer. However, there are no human studies to support recommending ketosis to treat these conditions.
Weight loss is the primary reason my patients use the ketogenic diet. Previous research shows good evidence of a faster weight loss when patients go on a ketogenic or very low carbohydrate diet compared to participants on a more traditional low-fat diet, or even a Mediterranean diet. However, that difference in weight loss seems to disappear over time.
A ketogenic diet also has been shown to improve blood sugar control for patients with type 2 diabetes, at least in the short term.
There is even more controversy when we consider the effect on cholesterol levels. A few studies show some patients have increase in cholesterol levels in the beginning, only to see cholesterol fall a few months later. However, there is no long-term research analyzing its effects over time on diabetes and high cholesterol.
We have solid evidence showing that a ketogenic diet reduces seizures in children, sometimes as effectively as medication. Because of these neuroprotective effects, questions have been raised about the possible benefits for other brain disorders such as Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, sleep disorders, autism, and even brain cancer. However, there are no human studies to support recommending ketosis to treat these conditions.
Weight loss is the primary reason my patients use the ketogenic diet. Previous research shows good evidence of a faster weight loss when patients go on a ketogenic or very low carbohydrate diet compared to participants on a more traditional low-fat diet, or even a Mediterranean diet. However, that difference in weight loss seems to disappear over time.
A ketogenic diet also has been shown to improve blood sugar control for patients with type 2 diabetes, at least in the short term.
There is even more controversy when we consider the effect on cholesterol levels. A few studies show some patients have increase in cholesterol levels in the beginning, only to see cholesterol fall a few months later. However, there is no long-term research analyzing its effects over time on diabetes and high cholesterol.
The problem with anything that increases cholesterol levels is really a matter of how many people end up with those ugly fatty deposits on critical Artery Walls - They end up sticky and make the walls Hard (Blood Pressure Climbs n Climbs) and your Arteries Pump blood just like the Heart - Hard Arteries can be made softer and cleaner Naturally But damn it takes a huge amount of work and time to make that happen -
So there is a price 2B paid for jacking up Blood Cholesterol - More important is the HDL/LDL ratio
Read this please (I only copypasta it as work prep is mean as all fuck at momento)
There appears to be a small subset of people who experience increased cholesterol levels on a low-carb diet, especially a ketogenic diet or a very high fat version of paleo. This includes increases in Total and LDL cholesterol...Jun 4, 2017
What to Do If a Low-Carb Diet Raises Your Cholesterol
https://www.healthline.com › nutrition › low-carb-diets-and-cholesterol
What to Do If a Low-Carb Diet Raises Your Cholesterol
https://www.healthline.com › nutrition › low-carb-diets-and-cholesterol
If YOU end up with Hard Pipes inside body YOU of course can work hard to try and fix your own pipes OR have Docs Roto Rooter them for you. Those who go the Roto Rooter route end up having to repeat it enough so Docs get to buy new boats or private Jet with your money
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,175
You are still buying into the cholesterol myths and mistruths.
https://reason.com/2018/09/22/new-research-confirms-we-got-cholesterol/
https://reason.com/2018/09/22/new-research-confirms-we-got-cholesterol/
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,180
@1,049,173 (Syntax)
Will you have an open mind on this...or will you just argue because you have to be right when challenged?
I've been seeing this stuff for awhile and I find it interesting.
Just because theories are long standing does not at all make them infallible.
Will you have an open mind on this...or will you just argue because you have to be right when challenged?
I've been seeing this stuff for awhile and I find it interesting.
Just because theories are long standing does not at all make them infallible.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,183
you can eat lots of differnt stuff and be fine if you don't eat too little and don't eat too much in general
potatoes are great, fuckin good
potatoes are great, fuckin good
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,187
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Bees won't bother you if you don't bother them huh?
Bees won't bother you if you don't bother them huh?
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Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 28 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,190
bees are swell wespecially bumblebees
Syntax replied with this 6 years ago, 40 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,049,201
@1,049,175 (A)
@1,049,180 (A)
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/cholesterol-and-statins
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@1,049,180 (A)
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/cholesterol-and-statins
Reliable research?
The total number of people involved in the study was nearly 70,000, but only 9 of the 19 studies actually included deaths from heart and circulatory disease.
Moreover, two-thirds of the total number of participants in this new analysis are from one study (Bathum et al 2013). This study found that higher cholesterol (total, HDL, or LDL) in people aged 50+ was associated with a lower all-cause mortality. That study also showed that taking a statin prescription provided a significant survival benefit, regardless of age, whereas the researchers in this new analysis are using it to argue against statins.
They relied on limited, aggregated and inconsistent information …an approach liable to bias
John Danesh
BHF Professor of Epidemiology
Furthermore, the research, published in the BMJ Open journal, has been deemed unbalanced due to what John Danesh, BHF Professor of Epidemiology said was “crude study methods”. This is because their analysis "relied on limited, aggregated and inconsistent information from published sources, an approach liable to bias.”
Similarly Colin Baigent, of the University of Oxford, has described the study as reaching “completely the wrong conclusion. In fact, we know that cholesterol is just as important as a cause of heart disease in older people as it is in the young. We know this because of the evidence from all the randomized trials of statin therapy, which collectively have studied substantial numbers of older people.”
The authors themselves said that “We may have overlooked relevant studies as we only searched PubMed” (an online search for medical publications), and they may have excluded studies that evaluated LDL-C as a risk factor for death, if the study did not mention it in the title or abstract. “We may have overlooked a small number of relevant studies because we only searched papers in English,” they added.
Dr Tim Chico, a consultant cardiologist at Northern General Hospital in Sheffield, said there are several studies that has shown lowering cholesterol using a drug does reduce the risk of heart disease in the elderly. He said: “I am surprised the authors of this study do not refer to such trials, which tends to make their own paper disappointingly unbalanced.”
Evidence from large clinical trials demonstrates very clearly that lowering LDL cholesterol reduces our risk of death overall
Professor Jeremy Pearson
BHF Associate Medical Director
Some of the participants in the study with high cholesterol may have started statins during the study, and therefore their high life expectancy could be due to them being on statins. Similarly, some of them may have started a healthy diet during the study, and this could have increased their life expectancy.
At least five of the study authors have previously written books questioning the links between cholesterol and heart disease. The lead author Dr Uffe Ravnskov, has written a book called ‘The Cholesterol Myths: Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease’. Another of the authors, London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, is a prominent campaigner against statins.
The total number of people involved in the study was nearly 70,000, but only 9 of the 19 studies actually included deaths from heart and circulatory disease.
Moreover, two-thirds of the total number of participants in this new analysis are from one study (Bathum et al 2013). This study found that higher cholesterol (total, HDL, or LDL) in people aged 50+ was associated with a lower all-cause mortality. That study also showed that taking a statin prescription provided a significant survival benefit, regardless of age, whereas the researchers in this new analysis are using it to argue against statins.
They relied on limited, aggregated and inconsistent information …an approach liable to bias
John Danesh
BHF Professor of Epidemiology
Furthermore, the research, published in the BMJ Open journal, has been deemed unbalanced due to what John Danesh, BHF Professor of Epidemiology said was “crude study methods”. This is because their analysis "relied on limited, aggregated and inconsistent information from published sources, an approach liable to bias.”
Similarly Colin Baigent, of the University of Oxford, has described the study as reaching “completely the wrong conclusion. In fact, we know that cholesterol is just as important as a cause of heart disease in older people as it is in the young. We know this because of the evidence from all the randomized trials of statin therapy, which collectively have studied substantial numbers of older people.”
The authors themselves said that “We may have overlooked relevant studies as we only searched PubMed” (an online search for medical publications), and they may have excluded studies that evaluated LDL-C as a risk factor for death, if the study did not mention it in the title or abstract. “We may have overlooked a small number of relevant studies because we only searched papers in English,” they added.
Dr Tim Chico, a consultant cardiologist at Northern General Hospital in Sheffield, said there are several studies that has shown lowering cholesterol using a drug does reduce the risk of heart disease in the elderly. He said: “I am surprised the authors of this study do not refer to such trials, which tends to make their own paper disappointingly unbalanced.”
Evidence from large clinical trials demonstrates very clearly that lowering LDL cholesterol reduces our risk of death overall
Professor Jeremy Pearson
BHF Associate Medical Director
Some of the participants in the study with high cholesterol may have started statins during the study, and therefore their high life expectancy could be due to them being on statins. Similarly, some of them may have started a healthy diet during the study, and this could have increased their life expectancy.
At least five of the study authors have previously written books questioning the links between cholesterol and heart disease. The lead author Dr Uffe Ravnskov, has written a book called ‘The Cholesterol Myths: Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease’. Another of the authors, London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, is a prominent campaigner against statins.
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