Topic: Risk factors for being suseptible to manipulative cult groups.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B started this discussion 15 years ago #9,241
Does this sound like you?
1.A desire to belong
2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
6.Idealism
7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
8.A lack of self-confidence
9.A desire for spiritual meaning
10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
1.A desire to belong
2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
6.Idealism
7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
8.A lack of self-confidence
9.A desire for spiritual meaning
10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
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Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #163,414
I'm fucked.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,415
I don't think I have any of those qualities, perhaps that would explain why I can't understand at all how people can get involved with cults/religions.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,416
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,419
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
I've lost two loved ones in the past two years, am in the process of a divorce and have lost a job in the last 5 months
I've lost two loved ones in the past two years, am in the process of a divorce and have lost a job in the last 5 months
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,421
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,423
@163,415 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I can understand because a lot of these cults start out as positive social movements. They attract people who want to change the world and become stifling so slowly, that most people don't notice until it's too late.
I can understand because a lot of these cults start out as positive social movements. They attract people who want to change the world and become stifling so slowly, that most people don't notice until it's too late.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,424
@163,419 (Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk)
Shit! Be careful of anyone who becomes too close to you, too fast.
Shit! Be careful of anyone who becomes too close to you, too fast.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,425
Do you need cash now?
It's your money, use it when you need it.
It's your money, use it when you need it.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,426
Aileron !LUFRSd346Y joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,427
I'm still praying for Ks.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,428
@OP> 1.A desire to belong
Nope.
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
No.
> 3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
A little.
> 4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
Not really.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
No.
> 6.Idealism
No.
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
Nope.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
A little.
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
No.
> 10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
Lolno.
Yay! :3
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,429
@163,426 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
My hopes and dreams are dashed. :_(
@163,423 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Not always though, look at Scientology, its just plain crazy.
My hopes and dreams are dashed. :_(
@163,423 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Not always though, look at Scientology, its just plain crazy.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,430
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,432
Nah, not really.
@163,423 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Some on the other hand are just very odd.
http://www.newser.com/story/84356/island-cult-worships-prince-philip.html
@163,423 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Some on the other hand are just very odd.
http://www.newser.com/story/84356/island-cult-worships-prince-philip.html
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Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,433
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,436
@163,429 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Scientology did not start out as a religion. It started out as an alternative to modern psychiatrics. Also, you have to be in this cult for many years before you start hearing any of the crazy crap.
Scientology did not start out as a religion. It started out as an alternative to modern psychiatrics. Also, you have to be in this cult for many years before you start hearing any of the crazy crap.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,443
@163,432 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Maybe he showed up with a lot of cool gadgets and they were spellbound?
Maybe he showed up with a lot of cool gadgets and they were spellbound?
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,446
@163,432 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I've heard about them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
I've heard about them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,448
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,449
@163,443 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Do you know who joins cults? Fucking retards, no one on MC is gullible enough to think throwing back kool aid with crazy religious people is normal.
Do you know who joins cults? Fucking retards, no one on MC is gullible enough to think throwing back kool aid with crazy religious people is normal.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,450
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,452
@163,448 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
I think there's more, but I can't remember what any of them were called. There was some WW2 pilot that had to ditch his plane after it caught fire, he landed right at the site of an uncontacted Brazilian tribe, they saw his equipment and thought he was a God. I wish I could remember what the tribe were called. :(
I think there's more, but I can't remember what any of them were called. There was some WW2 pilot that had to ditch his plane after it caught fire, he landed right at the site of an uncontacted Brazilian tribe, they saw his equipment and thought he was a God. I wish I could remember what the tribe were called. :(
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,453
@163,449 (H)
That's not true at all. Many prominent people and professionals join cults. Jonestown had many lawyers, Doctors, scientists, and college trained individuals. Also, it was Flavor aid, not Kool Aid.
That's not true at all. Many prominent people and professionals join cults. Jonestown had many lawyers, Doctors, scientists, and college trained individuals. Also, it was Flavor aid, not Kool Aid.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #163,455
@163,452 (F)
Example of cult dynamics.
Charismatic authority. This is the emotional bond between a leader and his followers. It lends legitimacy to the leader and grants authority to his actions while at the same time justifying and reinforcing followers’ responses to the leader and/or the leader’s ideas and goals. Charisma is the hook that links a devotee to a leader and/or his ideas.
The general purpose of charismatic authority is to provide leadership. The specific goal is for the leader to be accepted as the legitimate authority and to offer direction. This is accomplished through privilege and command. The desired effect, of course, is that members will believe in and identify with the leader.
Transcendent belief system. This is the overarching ideology that binds adherents to the group and keeps them behaving according to the group’s rules and norms. It is transcendent because it offers a total explanation of past, present, and future, including the path to salvation. Most importantly, the leader/group also specifies the exact methodology (or recipe) for the personal transformation necessary to travel on that path.
The goal of the transcendent belief system is to provide a worldview that offers meaning and purpose through a moral imperative. This imperative requires each member to subject himself to a process of personal transformation. The desired effect is for the member to feel a sense of connection to a greater goal while aspiring to salvation. This effect is solidified through the internalization of the belief system and its accompanying behaviors and attitudes.
Systems of control. This is the network of acknowledged or visible regulatory mechanisms that guide the operation of the group. It includes the overt rules, regulations, and procedures that guide and control members’ behavior.
The purpose of the systems of control is quite simply to provide organizational structure. The specific goal is to create a behavioral system and disciplinary code through rules, regulations, and sanctions. The effect is compliance, or better still, obedience.
Systems of influence. This is the network of interactions and social influence that resides in the group’s social relations. This interaction and group culture teach members to adapt their thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors in relation to their new beliefs.
The purpose of the systems of influence is to shape the group culture. The specific goal is to create institutionalized group norms and an established code of conduct by which members are expected to live. This is accomplished by various methods of peer and leadership pressure, and through social-psychological influence and modeling. The desired effect is conformity and the self-renunciation that is required not only to be part of the group but also to achieve the professed goal.
Example of cult dynamics.
Charismatic authority. This is the emotional bond between a leader and his followers. It lends legitimacy to the leader and grants authority to his actions while at the same time justifying and reinforcing followers’ responses to the leader and/or the leader’s ideas and goals. Charisma is the hook that links a devotee to a leader and/or his ideas.
The general purpose of charismatic authority is to provide leadership. The specific goal is for the leader to be accepted as the legitimate authority and to offer direction. This is accomplished through privilege and command. The desired effect, of course, is that members will believe in and identify with the leader.
Transcendent belief system. This is the overarching ideology that binds adherents to the group and keeps them behaving according to the group’s rules and norms. It is transcendent because it offers a total explanation of past, present, and future, including the path to salvation. Most importantly, the leader/group also specifies the exact methodology (or recipe) for the personal transformation necessary to travel on that path.
The goal of the transcendent belief system is to provide a worldview that offers meaning and purpose through a moral imperative. This imperative requires each member to subject himself to a process of personal transformation. The desired effect is for the member to feel a sense of connection to a greater goal while aspiring to salvation. This effect is solidified through the internalization of the belief system and its accompanying behaviors and attitudes.
Systems of control. This is the network of acknowledged or visible regulatory mechanisms that guide the operation of the group. It includes the overt rules, regulations, and procedures that guide and control members’ behavior.
The purpose of the systems of control is quite simply to provide organizational structure. The specific goal is to create a behavioral system and disciplinary code through rules, regulations, and sanctions. The effect is compliance, or better still, obedience.
Systems of influence. This is the network of interactions and social influence that resides in the group’s social relations. This interaction and group culture teach members to adapt their thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors in relation to their new beliefs.
The purpose of the systems of influence is to shape the group culture. The specific goal is to create institutionalized group norms and an established code of conduct by which members are expected to live. This is accomplished by various methods of peer and leadership pressure, and through social-psychological influence and modeling. The desired effect is conformity and the self-renunciation that is required not only to be part of the group but also to achieve the professed goal.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,651
If anyone is interested, the third track down called "Father Cares 2" has clips of members,including children, declaring the desire to murder their parents and other negative influences. The fun part starts at about 3:00.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1509317
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1509317
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,655
@163,450 (D)
I stand corrected, but he is the exception, not the rule.
@163,453 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
The adults that died were weak willed or stupid.
I stand corrected, but he is the exception, not the rule.
@163,453 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
The adults that died were weak willed or stupid.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,664
@previous (I)
Many were shot or forced to drink poison at gunpoint. How could so many professionals be stupid?
Many were shot or forced to drink poison at gunpoint. How could so many professionals be stupid?
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,666
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
They practiced killing themselves for years, I'm not pitying people who changed their mind at the last possible moment. I think most people I meet are stupid :)
They practiced killing themselves for years, I'm not pitying people who changed their mind at the last possible moment. I think most people I meet are stupid :)
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,668
Freecode !!4IKKtS9GG joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,671
@OP
> Does this sound like you?
>
> 1.A desire to belong
Probably less than most people. I care more about my talents and knowledge and my place in the social ladder, but I've never been desperate to "belong" to a specific clique or group.
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
No, to a great extreme. Through my life I've found it really is best - for others and for myself - to do what I feel is right.
> 3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
I scrutinize things fairly thoroughly. I always assume a subconscious ulterior motive and believe that we all seek to advance ourselves. After all, people don't follow the tenants of their religions knowing they'll end up in hell. Just my somewhat agnostic belief.
> 4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
I used to be more like this as a kid. Now I see it as a form of immaturity. I can accept that some things do not have a definitive answer. We all have a point of view, and we all see things differently so nobody can really know the truth.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
I'm a bit more accomplished than I used to be and I guess my self-esteem is higher. I don't really care so much about the status quo, I just really care how I'm doing with my achievements and knowledge. I am somewhat jaded from my past, but I'd rather better my own lot than try to right perceived wrongs
> 6.Idealism
I have been told I am "too rational," so I wouldn't say I have idealistic beliefs.
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
I might have a minor alcoholic streak - about average for a college student - but it's pretty hard for me to fall into a trance. I can get deep in thought, but I don't really go blank and I'm a pretty hard sell.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Not really. I generally just assess my accomplishment or education when I feel insecure.
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
I could not care less.
> 10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
I read a lot about that sort of thing throughout history.
Probably my weakest point would be 8, because I have depression and sometimes feel down. However, all in all I probably would ask too many questions to be a good cultist. :(
> Does this sound like you?
>
> 1.A desire to belong
Probably less than most people. I care more about my talents and knowledge and my place in the social ladder, but I've never been desperate to "belong" to a specific clique or group.
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
No, to a great extreme. Through my life I've found it really is best - for others and for myself - to do what I feel is right.
> 3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
I scrutinize things fairly thoroughly. I always assume a subconscious ulterior motive and believe that we all seek to advance ourselves. After all, people don't follow the tenants of their religions knowing they'll end up in hell. Just my somewhat agnostic belief.
> 4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
I used to be more like this as a kid. Now I see it as a form of immaturity. I can accept that some things do not have a definitive answer. We all have a point of view, and we all see things differently so nobody can really know the truth.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
I'm a bit more accomplished than I used to be and I guess my self-esteem is higher. I don't really care so much about the status quo, I just really care how I'm doing with my achievements and knowledge. I am somewhat jaded from my past, but I'd rather better my own lot than try to right perceived wrongs
> 6.Idealism
I have been told I am "too rational," so I wouldn't say I have idealistic beliefs.
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
I might have a minor alcoholic streak - about average for a college student - but it's pretty hard for me to fall into a trance. I can get deep in thought, but I don't really go blank and I'm a pretty hard sell.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Not really. I generally just assess my accomplishment or education when I feel insecure.
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
I could not care less.
> 10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
I read a lot about that sort of thing throughout history.
Probably my weakest point would be 8, because I have depression and sometimes feel down. However, all in all I probably would ask too many questions to be a good cultist. :(
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,672
@163,668 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
At Jonestown my understanding was that there were regular mass suicide drills, so the people there that were forced to kill themselves knew what was coming.
I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than most professionals like that, but I have an IQ higher than 99% of everyone else, so I'd assume so.
At Jonestown my understanding was that there were regular mass suicide drills, so the people there that were forced to kill themselves knew what was coming.
I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than most professionals like that, but I have an IQ higher than 99% of everyone else, so I'd assume so.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,677
@previous (I)
I know about the drills. You'd assume so? Also, if someone had even a slightly lower IQ than you, you'd consider them to be stupid?
I know about the drills. You'd assume so? Also, if someone had even a slightly lower IQ than you, you'd consider them to be stupid?
Freecode !!4IKKtS9GG replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,682
@163,672 (I)
> I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than most professionals like that, but I have an IQ higher than 99% of everyone else, so I'd assume so.
People with an inflated sense of self-worth are easier to con because they think of themselves as opportunists and special. I'd imagine similar principals apply to cults.
That's not to say you are not smart or anything, it's just that IQ is a fairly ambiguous measurement which has little pragmatic application. If you have a high IQ you tend to be richer, happier, and healthier. However, it does not always make you more capable or adept than others.
> I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than most professionals like that, but I have an IQ higher than 99% of everyone else, so I'd assume so.
People with an inflated sense of self-worth are easier to con because they think of themselves as opportunists and special. I'd imagine similar principals apply to cults.
That's not to say you are not smart or anything, it's just that IQ is a fairly ambiguous measurement which has little pragmatic application. If you have a high IQ you tend to be richer, happier, and healthier. However, it does not always make you more capable or adept than others.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,686
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,688
Most people joined The People's Temple because it was a integrated community that preached social justice and helped people in need.
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,690
@163,682 (Freecode !!4IKKtS9GG)
I've scored in the highest percentile for all my SATs, IQ Tests, and college entrance exams. I'm not saying that makes me any more of a person, and no one has to believe me.
It made school easier because I never had to try much...but as a whole I think it's just made me feel depressed and isolated. I think too much.
I've scored in the highest percentile for all my SATs, IQ Tests, and college entrance exams. I'm not saying that makes me any more of a person, and no one has to believe me.
It made school easier because I never had to try much...but as a whole I think it's just made me feel depressed and isolated. I think too much.
Anonymous I double-posted this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,692
@163,686 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I would just like to state for the record that my IQ is less than 181.
I would just like to state for the record that my IQ is less than 181.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,695
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,697
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,700
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm pretty sure Jews have a handicap though, you're supposed to deduct thirty points right off the top.
@163,695 (L)
Yeah I'm kind of fucked up and misread that post completely.
I'm pretty sure Jews have a handicap though, you're supposed to deduct thirty points right off the top.
@163,695 (L)
Yeah I'm kind of fucked up and misread that post completely.
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Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,753
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Those other three quarters must be really jewish to make a nose like that man.
Those other three quarters must be really jewish to make a nose like that man.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #163,768
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,045
I'm researching the Children of God, which is a Christianity based sex cult. They used to preach in support of free sex,and using sex to recruit members (flirty fishing). Cult leader David Berg and partner Karen Zerby also outright promoted child sexual abuse and incest Here are some excerpts from regular newsletters sent to members of this group.http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_International
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,048
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,049
Foxygen !FXYGNx1XR. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,051
@OP
1.A desire to belong
> Check
2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
> Check
3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
> Check
4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
> Check
5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
> Check
6.Idealism
> Check
7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
> Check
8.A lack of self-confidence
> Check
9.A desire for spiritual meaning
> Check
10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
> Check
Point me to one of the less dangerous cults, as it's inevitable that I join one.
1.A desire to belong
> Check
2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
> Check
3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
> Check
4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
> Check
5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
> Check
6.Idealism
> Check
7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
> Check
8.A lack of self-confidence
> Check
9.A desire for spiritual meaning
> Check
10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
> Check
Point me to one of the less dangerous cults, as it's inevitable that I join one.
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,053
@164,049 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)Wouldn't it be sad if your cult life was actually an improvement?
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,054
@164,049 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)They also encouraged members to think about fucking Jesus during masturbation or any sexual activity.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,055
@164,045 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
I'm watching this now.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Ricky_Rodriguez_video
Not even sure what the cult is all about at this point, but this caught my attention right away.
I'm watching this now.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Ricky_Rodriguez_video
Not even sure what the cult is all about at this point, but this caught my attention right away.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,057
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Ricky Rodriguez was David Bergs son. He was raised from a baby to be the eventual leader of this church. He also starred in a whole series of newsletters that church members how to raise children. Following the free love and incest policies he was molested by his mother and nannies for his whole childhood. This abuse was also put in the newsletters as an example for everyone.
Ricky Rodriguez was David Bergs son. He was raised from a baby to be the eventual leader of this church. He also starred in a whole series of newsletters that church members how to raise children. Following the free love and incest policies he was molested by his mother and nannies for his whole childhood. This abuse was also put in the newsletters as an example for everyone.
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,059
@164,055 (Ks !KansasxqvM)This is Karen Zerby who is the current leader of this cult and she is also Ricky Rodriguez' mother.
jump joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,062
@164,057 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
WTF. Wish I had been a member. @OP
> Does this sound like you?
>
> 1.A desire to belong
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
I can express criticism and doubt, but im a pleaser. I wouldn't if I didn't want to hurt someone.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
> 6.Idealism
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
Well, ive done quote of bit of hallucinogenic drugs, but I feel grounded in that I'm able to understand it's not real during and after.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Unless some chick flirty fished me, I'm pretty sure I'm safe. I'd go with the flow though. I wOuldnt stand for beating children, though.
WTF. Wish I had been a member. @OP
> Does this sound like you?
>
> 1.A desire to belong
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
I can express criticism and doubt, but im a pleaser. I wouldn't if I didn't want to hurt someone.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
> 6.Idealism
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
Well, ive done quote of bit of hallucinogenic drugs, but I feel grounded in that I'm able to understand it's not real during and after.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Unless some chick flirty fished me, I'm pretty sure I'm safe. I'd go with the flow though. I wOuldnt stand for beating children, though.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,063
@previous (jump)
It might seem like a great life. But this treatment fucked up so many children. Ricky eventually tried to find and kill his mother. He didn't succeed but he did torture murder his former child molesting nanny, and then killed himself.
It might seem like a great life. But this treatment fucked up so many children. Ricky eventually tried to find and kill his mother. He didn't succeed but he did torture murder his former child molesting nanny, and then killed himself.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,065
@164,062 (jump)
I had a strange thought. You know how some people say that societal pressure is the reason that children view sexual activity as being negative? Well in this case, children were praised for sexual activity and they still felt victimized.
I had a strange thought. You know how some people say that societal pressure is the reason that children view sexual activity as being negative? Well in this case, children were praised for sexual activity and they still felt victimized.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,068
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
If they are pressured into it or have it foisted on them as an expectation that they only later learn isn't normal, then feeling victimized would seem pretty natural I would think.
If they are pressured into it or have it foisted on them as an expectation that they only later learn isn't normal, then feeling victimized would seem pretty natural I would think.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,070
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,072
@164,068 (L)
I also think that this is another example of why sexual activity with children is inappropriate.
I also think that this is another example of why sexual activity with children is inappropriate.
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,074
@164,055 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Check this out Ks. It's called the story of Davidito.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Story_of_Davidito
Check this out Ks. It's called the story of Davidito.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Story_of_Davidito
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,076
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Will do. Just got done with the Ricky Rodriguez video, fucked up stuff.
Will do. Just got done with the Ricky Rodriguez video, fucked up stuff.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,077
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,078
Ks and toto, you two are my favorite people. :)~
jump replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,080
@164,063 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Incest and physical beatings will do that. There are so many things wrong with this situation.
Incest and physical beatings will do that. There are so many things wrong with this situation.
jump double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,082
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,182
Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,190
> 1.A desire to belong
I guess.
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
Yep.
> 3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
I even believe my own lies.
> 4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
Nope.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
Nope.
> 6.Idealism
Yeah.
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
Nope.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Yeah.
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
Nope.
> 10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
Yeah.
So, about half-vulnerable? I don't like anything that gets too religious or preachy, though, so I'd say I'm alright.
I guess.
> 2.Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
Yep.
> 3.Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
I even believe my own lies.
> 4.Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
Nope.
> 5.Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
Nope.
> 6.Idealism
Yeah.
> 7.Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
Nope.
> 8.A lack of self-confidence
Yeah.
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
Nope.
> 10.Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals
Yeah.
So, about half-vulnerable? I don't like anything that gets too religious or preachy, though, so I'd say I'm alright.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,193
@previous (Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6)
A surprising amount of cults are not religion based.
http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/cultqa2.htm
A surprising amount of cults are not religion based.
http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/cultqa2.htm
Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,199
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Well, I'm at least immune to the religious ones, so I'm okay. And preachy is where they try to stop me doing things.
Well, I'm at least immune to the religious ones, so I'm okay. And preachy is where they try to stop me doing things.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #164,202
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,451
Ks, did you ever read that Davidito article? That's Ricky's nickname.
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,456
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,468
@previous (Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk)
Quick, start quoting Old Testament verses in a rapid fire manner!
Quick, start quoting Old Testament verses in a rapid fire manner!
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,471
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 12 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,472
@164,451 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
Yes, I read quite a bit last night, Dito and Davida and a few others. I'm going to read more of it tonight. Its seems like a few of the articles there are quite incomplete. :/
Yes, I read quite a bit last night, Dito and Davida and a few others. I'm going to read more of it tonight. Its seems like a few of the articles there are quite incomplete. :/
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,477
@164,471 (Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk)
As soon as you ejaculate, shove a rough cut crucifix right up her kazoo. She'll thank you later, and it's what Jesus would do.
As soon as you ejaculate, shove a rough cut crucifix right up her kazoo. She'll thank you later, and it's what Jesus would do.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,479
@164,472 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
This is such an interesting topic, and I do wish that we had more information.
This is such an interesting topic, and I do wish that we had more information.
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,481
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,483
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,484
@164,479 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
> I do wish that we had more information.
Me too, I can't understand why the Dito article stopped at such a young age. It kinda seems like the people working on the project kind of just abandoned it.
> I do wish that we had more information.
Me too, I can't understand why the Dito article stopped at such a young age. It kinda seems like the people working on the project kind of just abandoned it.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,487
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,489
Interesting Children of God article.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Rolling_Stone:_The_Life_and_Death_of_the_Chosen_One
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Rolling_Stone:_The_Life_and_Death_of_the_Chosen_One
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,496
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,500
> 9.A desire for spiritual meaning
Fuck no.
Fuck no.
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 double-posted this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,501
Wade Wilson !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,505
swamplights !!V3J448+/B (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #164,516
Ricky's memorial website set up by his child molesting cult leader mother.
rickyrodriguez.com
rickyrodriguez.com