Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago#91,847
Supreme court just ruled Boris's advice to the queen to prorogue parliament was unlawful.
Well done, you've just handed parliament the same kind of power it had before Cromwell came along and all but abolished it. Almost certainly Brexit won't happen; it's officially parliament against the people now.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later[^][v]#1,044,022
> Almost certainly Brexit won't happen
Oh good. That Brexit thing has been giving you guys a lot of trouble. Glad you finally cleared that away so you can focus on other stuff.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,027
Sounds good to me. Hope you guys spend the next 12 years arguing about whether or not you're going to leave and how, rather than like actually doing something productive.
Green !StaYqkzUPc joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,031
Join my Kik group #BrexitHangout
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,033
@previous (Green !StaYqkzUPc)
I heard that Kik is about to shut down.
tteh !GETFUCKED joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,034
Parliamentary sovereignty, bitches. ?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,038
@previous (tteh !GETFUCKED)
Ultimately, in a democracy, it is the people who are sovereign, not parliament. In legal theory, the function of parliament is to act as representatives of the people who elected them, not to defy them. The commons doesn't hold the power, they are trustees to it.
"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion." - Edmund Burke
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,042
@previous (A)
Why are you misreading Burke by associating him with your opinion?
Green !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 6 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,050
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,051
@1,044,042 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Eh, it's not just my opinion. According to you, how should we be interpreting that quotation?
tteh !GETFUCKED replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,052
@1,044,038 (A) @1,044,042 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I think a resurrected, reanimated Burke would probably explode if he tried to get to grips with modern British politics.
I wonder what he'd think about Boris's suspension. Would he care? Would he see merit in the judiciary's intervention? He wasn't exactly a fan of prorogation, but it isn't like the Crown unilaterally exercises its "undoubted prerogative" anymore.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,054
@1,044,051 (A)
The way he meant it. I'll edit out the bits that don't matter.
"Your representative owes you...his judgment; and he betrays...you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."
I.e. Burke values the judgment of the elected official MORE than the opinion of the dirty commoners who elected him. If he acts merely as a conduit turning their ideas into votes he isn't doing his job. Burkean conservatism is not super friendly towards direct democracy or anything approaching that.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 35 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,066
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) > I'll edit out the bits that don't matter
All the words in that statement matter. Your editing betrays a lack of understanding.
> Burke values the judgment of the elected official MORE than the opinion of the dirty commoners.
I don't know about that. He hated technocracy, and the "opinion of the dirty commoners" is what he referred to as "the wisdom of unlettered men", which he seemed to value a great deal.
> Burkean conservatism is not super friendly towards direct democracy or anything approaching that.
Well, he was a whig, not a tory, but I agree, and that was the point I was trying to make. Parliament isn't a direct democracy, it's an indirect/representative one, or at least it's supposed to be. MPs need to acknowledge that they owe their positions of power and responsibility to said dirty commoners who elected them, no matter how distasteful they find them. Noblesse Oblige.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,044,088