Topic: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau dressed up in blackface
Meta !Sober//iZs started this discussion 6 years ago #91,720
On at least three occasions from the '90s to the early '00s. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49758613
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #1,042,660
If he identifies as a black canadian, you must accept his decision to do so.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,042,699
In his defense he was just trying to fit in with his friends Ralph Northam and Kay Ivey.
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Meta !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,042,874
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I can see it with those two. In 1967 Alabama, perhaps blackface was not considered totally taboo and abhorrent by conservative white people at that time and place. Maybe the same in early 1980s Virginia. Certainly neither seems to have been a big deal at the time they happened. I guess you could say the same thing about Trudeau. The school yearbook people thought it was okay to put in the yearbook. As far as I can tell he was not fired or disciplined for it in any way and no one seems to have cared much at the time. You would think 2001 would be very late for blackface to be considered acceptable. Though maybe Canada's lack of slavery and the Jim Crow thing means it's less controversial there? (like how Zwarte Piet isn't seen as a minstrel show thing in Holland)
Northam's nickname as "coonman" seems odd to me too. It reminds me of "coonass" which is a term for Cajuns (basically the Cajun equivalent of how black people use the word "nigga" amongst themselves) which most likely has nothing to do with black people at all (there are several different hypotheses about the word's etymology, most of which are not related to "coon" the racial slur). At any rate it's not considered an anti-black racial slur by either whites or blacks in Cajun areas.
I don't know if "coonman" has anything in common with "coonass" (I doubt it does) but why would a racist be called coonman? ?
I can see it with those two. In 1967 Alabama, perhaps blackface was not considered totally taboo and abhorrent by conservative white people at that time and place. Maybe the same in early 1980s Virginia. Certainly neither seems to have been a big deal at the time they happened. I guess you could say the same thing about Trudeau. The school yearbook people thought it was okay to put in the yearbook. As far as I can tell he was not fired or disciplined for it in any way and no one seems to have cared much at the time. You would think 2001 would be very late for blackface to be considered acceptable. Though maybe Canada's lack of slavery and the Jim Crow thing means it's less controversial there? (like how Zwarte Piet isn't seen as a minstrel show thing in Holland)
Northam's nickname as "coonman" seems odd to me too. It reminds me of "coonass" which is a term for Cajuns (basically the Cajun equivalent of how black people use the word "nigga" amongst themselves) which most likely has nothing to do with black people at all (there are several different hypotheses about the word's etymology, most of which are not related to "coon" the racial slur). At any rate it's not considered an anti-black racial slur by either whites or blacks in Cajun areas.
I don't know if "coonman" has anything in common with "coonass" (I doubt it does) but why would a racist be called coonman? ?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,042,928
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I don't know how frowned upon blackface was at the time in Canada (I assume at least somewhat) but he's also the son of a prime minister so he could get away with whatever he wanted pretty easily and no one would tell him otherwise.
> Northam's nickname as "coonman" seems odd to me too. It reminds me of "coonass" which is a term for Cajuns (basically the Cajun equivalent of how black people use the word "nigga" amongst themselves) which most likely has nothing to do with black people at all (there are several different hypotheses about the word's etymology, most of which are not related to "coon" the racial slur). At any rate it's not considered an anti-black racial slur by either whites or blacks in Cajun areas.
Maybe he really liked raccoons? I dunno the origin of that nickname but I think it's not implausible that it's race related. Virginia was in the Confederacy and had a lot of slaves. The specifics of this name though I dunno, I never heard that word before Northam.
> I don't know if "coonman" has anything in common with "coonass" (I doubt it does) but why would a racist be called coonman? ?
Why would racist slaveowners let black slave women care for their children? Why do racists today call each other "nigga" and say "based" etc.? They like to emulate or or take advantage of black people and black culture while also denigrating them and it. Racism isn't like a perfectly logical, ideologically coherent set of beliefs and practices. It's a bunch of shitty people being shitty.
I don't know how frowned upon blackface was at the time in Canada (I assume at least somewhat) but he's also the son of a prime minister so he could get away with whatever he wanted pretty easily and no one would tell him otherwise.
> Northam's nickname as "coonman" seems odd to me too. It reminds me of "coonass" which is a term for Cajuns (basically the Cajun equivalent of how black people use the word "nigga" amongst themselves) which most likely has nothing to do with black people at all (there are several different hypotheses about the word's etymology, most of which are not related to "coon" the racial slur). At any rate it's not considered an anti-black racial slur by either whites or blacks in Cajun areas.
Maybe he really liked raccoons? I dunno the origin of that nickname but I think it's not implausible that it's race related. Virginia was in the Confederacy and had a lot of slaves. The specifics of this name though I dunno, I never heard that word before Northam.
> I don't know if "coonman" has anything in common with "coonass" (I doubt it does) but why would a racist be called coonman? ?
Why would racist slaveowners let black slave women care for their children? Why do racists today call each other "nigga" and say "based" etc.? They like to emulate or or take advantage of black people and black culture while also denigrating them and it. Racism isn't like a perfectly logical, ideologically coherent set of beliefs and practices. It's a bunch of shitty people being shitty.
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