Topic: Ok so this disloyalty thing. Who am I/are Jews supposedly disloyal to?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU started this discussion 6 years ago #90,667
Please choose wisely.
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| Poll option | Votes | Percentage | Graph |
|---|---|---|---|
| Myself | 3 | 21% | |
| Israel | 2 | 14% | |
| America | 9 | 64% |
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 2 hours later[^] [v] #1,032,010
I'm so sorry. The correct answer is Israel. I knew that when I made this thread, which is why I made it the penis shaft option. Thank you for trying though. The President is being antisemitic again. I will wait for our non Jewish posters who were very angry at Democratic politicians saying antisemitic things to be equally as forceful in condemning this.Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) triple-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,011
How could the president think that American Jews are disloyal to a country they aren't citizens of? It really makes you think doesn't it? Maybe he doesn't see them as fully loyal US citizens.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,016
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 45 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,021
@1,032,010 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If I were Jewish and offended by it, I would probably agree and amplify. Be like "Disloyal to Israel??? Damn right I'm disloyal to Israel!! Because I'm American not Israeli you fuckin fags!!! ??"
If I were Jewish and offended by it, I would probably agree and amplify. Be like "Disloyal to Israel??? Damn right I'm disloyal to Israel!! Because I'm American not Israeli you fuckin fags!!! ??"
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,025
@1,032,016 (B)
There's an old antisemitic trope that jews' fundamental political loyalty lies with Israel, not the country they're a citizen of. It's analogous to, but not the same as, Catholics in the 1920s who were suspected of ultimately being loyal to the Pope over the U.S. That's why there never was a President Al Smith. Earlier this year Rashida Tlaib was roundly criticized for saying something similar, though not identical to what Trump just said. Trump will also be criticized, but only by Democrats, and maybe, MAYBE one of the two Jewish Republicans in Congress. Republican "leadership" will keep their mouths shut, unless they put out some mealy-mouthed "antisemitism is bad" tweet without acknowledging the POTUS is a stupid antisemitic piece of garbage.
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I don't owe anyone an explanation of my loyalties, and I'm not going to say I'm disloyal to Israel because that's a bigoted framing. I'm not disloyal to Israel any more than I am disloyal to Spain or Laos or Azerbaijan. Me being Jewish doesn't automatically make me an Israeli or concerned about Israeli politics. That's for the Israelis.
There's an old antisemitic trope that jews' fundamental political loyalty lies with Israel, not the country they're a citizen of. It's analogous to, but not the same as, Catholics in the 1920s who were suspected of ultimately being loyal to the Pope over the U.S. That's why there never was a President Al Smith. Earlier this year Rashida Tlaib was roundly criticized for saying something similar, though not identical to what Trump just said. Trump will also be criticized, but only by Democrats, and maybe, MAYBE one of the two Jewish Republicans in Congress. Republican "leadership" will keep their mouths shut, unless they put out some mealy-mouthed "antisemitism is bad" tweet without acknowledging the POTUS is a stupid antisemitic piece of garbage.
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I don't owe anyone an explanation of my loyalties, and I'm not going to say I'm disloyal to Israel because that's a bigoted framing. I'm not disloyal to Israel any more than I am disloyal to Spain or Laos or Azerbaijan. Me being Jewish doesn't automatically make me an Israeli or concerned about Israeli politics. That's for the Israelis.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,028
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> I'm not disloyal to Israel any more than I am disloyal to Spain or Laos or Azerbaijan.
> I'm not disloyal to Israel any more than I am disloyal to Spain or Laos or Azerbaijan.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,029
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,031
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,033
Write in:Me.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,037
@1,032,010 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If you're disloyal to Israel you're disloyal to AMERICA, dumbass.
If you're disloyal to Israel you're disloyal to AMERICA, dumbass.
Trump Supporter joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 23 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,038
Jews, will not, replace us!
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,041
@1,032,025 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
No no, I know. I mean please expound on why 'x is disloyal to Israel' means 'x is disloyal to the USA'. I think trump is retarded but I am compelled to challenge your reasoning.
No no, I know. I mean please expound on why 'x is disloyal to Israel' means 'x is disloyal to the USA'. I think trump is retarded but I am compelled to challenge your reasoning.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 46 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,060
@previous (B)
Oh, yeah, because people who have dual allegiances will sometimes need to choose which country they support in the case of an international dispute. I don't mean they are actively disloyal to the US, just that they will eventually have to prove that loyalty, in a way that an Italian Catholic wouldn't have to prove that he was loyal to the US, not Italy or the Vatican.
Oh, yeah, because people who have dual allegiances will sometimes need to choose which country they support in the case of an international dispute. I don't mean they are actively disloyal to the US, just that they will eventually have to prove that loyalty, in a way that an Italian Catholic wouldn't have to prove that he was loyal to the US, not Italy or the Vatican.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,070
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 46 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,092
@previous (B)
No but it's the principle of the thing. He thinks Jews because they're Jewish inherently have the other loyalty when they just don't.
No but it's the principle of the thing. He thinks Jews because they're Jewish inherently have the other loyalty when they just don't.
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,096
@1,032,041 (B)
The point is, why should random people entirely unassociated with Israel be expected to display "loyalty"? Why, as a White™, are you not loyal to Nagorno-Karabakh? Because you have nothing to do with it. The idea that Jews necessarily owe loyalty to some foreign entity is antisemitic, or at best abjectly retarded.
The point is, why should random people entirely unassociated with Israel be expected to display "loyalty"? Why, as a White™, are you not loyal to Nagorno-Karabakh? Because you have nothing to do with it. The idea that Jews necessarily owe loyalty to some foreign entity is antisemitic, or at best abjectly retarded.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,100
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
He isn't saying that Jewish people owe loyalty to Israel, but that by voting democrat they are disloyal to Israel.
He isn't saying that Jewish people owe loyalty to Israel, but that by voting democrat they are disloyal to Israel.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,102
I think the problem is that Trump has an understanding of religion and politics better suited to the 11th century than the 21st.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,103
@1,032,100 (B)
... if you aren't expecting loyalty, a complaint of disloyalty makes no sense.
... if you aren't expecting loyalty, a complaint of disloyalty makes no sense.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 26 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,104
@1,032,100 (B)
How can you be disloyal to a country that you aren't expected to be loyal to? Like if I supported going to war with Brazil, would you say that by supporting that war I am being disloyal to Brazil? No because they are not owed any loyalty by me. There are other terms you could use but "loyalty" isn't relevant.
How can you be disloyal to a country that you aren't expected to be loyal to? Like if I supported going to war with Brazil, would you say that by supporting that war I am being disloyal to Brazil? No because they are not owed any loyalty by me. There are other terms you could use but "loyalty" isn't relevant.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,107
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Like if I supported going to war with Brazil, would you say that by supporting that war I am being disloyal to Brazil?
Yea I guess
Like if I supported going to war with Brazil, would you say that by supporting that war I am being disloyal to Brazil?
Yea I guess
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Anonymous B double-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,108
@1,032,103 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
For example, I am disloyal to the thing you mentioned previously with the funny foreign name probably because I would actually be working against it
But this doesn't mean I am loyal to my own country
For example, I am disloyal to the thing you mentioned previously with the funny foreign name probably because I would actually be working against it
But this doesn't mean I am loyal to my own country
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,113
@previous (B)
Yes, you are disloyal to it. If I were to criticise you for that absence of loyalty — which is what Trump is doing — you would rightly find it nonsensical. When it comes to Jews, it's not only nonsensical but offensive because it plays on an old antisemitic canard ("Jews are loyal only to themselves/Israel").
There's no need to complicate it.
Yes, you are disloyal to it. If I were to criticise you for that absence of loyalty — which is what Trump is doing — you would rightly find it nonsensical. When it comes to Jews, it's not only nonsensical but offensive because it plays on an old antisemitic canard ("Jews are loyal only to themselves/Israel").
There's no need to complicate it.
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Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,117
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
If you were loyal to the landlocked region in Central Asia and criticised me for not being loyal to it I would be like
Ok I'm disloyal to it dam right brah
If you were loyal to the landlocked region in Central Asia and criticised me for not being loyal to it I would be like
Ok I'm disloyal to it dam right brah
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,121
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 11 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,284
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,351
@previous (B)> He isn't saying that Jewish people owe loyalty to Israel, but that by voting democrat they are disloyal to Israel.
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@1,032,104 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You cannot reason with Trump culitists. It is an exercise in futility.
You cannot reason with Trump culitists. It is an exercise in futility.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,361
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,368
@previous (B)
See:
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@1,032,096 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@1,032,103 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@1,032,104 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Thanks.
See:
@1,032,092 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
@1,032,096 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@1,032,103 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
@1,032,104 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Thanks.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 57 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,395
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,408
@previous (B)
In saying that by voting Democrat Jews are being disloyal to Israel, he's saying that Jews owe loyalty to Israel.
In saying that by voting Democrat Jews are being disloyal to Israel, he's saying that Jews owe loyalty to Israel.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,454
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I don't agree because the absence of loyalty does not imply a requirement of loyalty.
I don't agree because the absence of loyalty does not imply a requirement of loyalty.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,032,457
@previous (B)
I don't get what you're not getting. If you criticise somebody for being disloyal, you're obviously implying they ought to be loyal -- otherwise, how could it be criticism?
I don't get what you're not getting. If you criticise somebody for being disloyal, you're obviously implying they ought to be loyal -- otherwise, how could it be criticism?