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Topic: Terminating Service for 8Chan

Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago #89,849

https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

Terminating Service for 8Chan

The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law
We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.

The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation
Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:

Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #1,024,327

are there similar bbses that I can find something to masturbate in front of without that wacko political nutjobs with guns stuff getting in the way?

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,330

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Ever open a book to read just one chapter and move on to something else? Reading a forum and topics you have so many choices to move on to some topic that tweeks your zango. Just turn the page.

Ananthanarayanan M R joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,333

what country are they getting their revenue from where they don't protect freedom of speech

Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,335

@previous (Ananthanarayanan M R)
Who is they? Remember Cloudflare primarily protects against DOS attacks and provides additional levels of security for those willing to pay for the service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,337

@1,024,330 (C)
link to page plz

Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,339

@1,024,335 (C)

> Who is they?
cloudflare

> Remember Cloudflare primarily protects against DOS attacks and provides additional levels of security for those willing to pay for the service.

Yes so?

Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,340

@1,024,337 (Sheila LaBoof)
If you're asking me to link you to 8 chan when you can do that for yourself?

Based on what you post they will make mincemeat of you. Nor will you dare Sheila LaBoof as a Moniker because they will hunt you down and cut your package off quickly.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,341

@previous (C)
dingus, read my request again

Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,342

@1,024,339 (Ananthanarayanan M R)
Cost for minichan is $0 and for sites with more traffic it starts at $50/month and medium size biz is 600/yr
A large biz is in the $1000's per month

"As of 2018, Cloudflare provides DNS services to 18 million websites, adding approximately 27,000 new customers every day"

Anonymous C double-posted this 6 years ago, 48 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,344

@1,024,337 (Sheila LaBoof)

> link to page plz

Google.com

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,345

Cool but too little too late. They'll get hosted somewhere else eventually and even if they don't they've still created deranged and violent men the rest of the world will have to deal with.

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,347

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I don't think that website is to blame. It was just used to vent. If anyone is to blame it's governments forcing their policy of mass immigration to supply cheap labour.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 19 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,348

@1,024,345 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
The Daily Stormer eventually found another Dos proxy protection service and it's costly nor very reliable.

No doubt there are enough nut cases to donate to 8 chan to keep it going. except no way can they cover the legal fees - They are stuck with legal fees because of the mass of lawsuits such as this one recently.
https://gizmodo.com/founder-of-neo-nazi-site-daily-stormer-ordered-to-pay-1836410674

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,349

@1,024,344 (C)
that's not a bbs geniius

Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,351

@1,024,342 (C)
Yes how does this relate to my reply

Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,352

@1,024,349 (Sheila LaBoof)
It will lead you to what you want. If you cannot find itn then build your own.

Anonymous C double-posted this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,355

@1,024,351 (Ananthanarayanan M R)
Do you really think I give a flying fuck.

Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,357

@previous (C)
Apparently

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,359

@1,024,352 (C)
dipshit, I was asking people who had a fucking clue

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 52 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,373

This will open up cloudflare to litigation for piracy. Now they are picking and choosing clients they don't have the same defense they've used in the past.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 42 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,384

Externally hosted image@previous (G)
Private business free enterprise. They can say goodbye to white trash and

vocalon joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 24 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,388

the first amendment protects you from the government, not from the corporations, nor individuals. anyway this owns

Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,389

@1,024,384 (H)
Yeah they can do whatever they want. But their defense of pirate clients not being disconnected is that they don't pick and choose and everyone can be a client regardless of what is on their site.
That goes away now.
Now that they say "this behavior is not acceptable" they are actually condoning piracy by default. Their previous cases will probably be brought up again now that their "we don't judge our clients content" defense has been ditched.

Perhaps ask our local paralegal

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,393

@previous (G)
Kimmo moved from SP to SP to SP trying to stay alive. In the end no one would host him.
Of course Kimmo said all he need to do was to become his own ISP. He never could get donations for that. Even if someone can they still end up using the limited 1st Tier SP which is a very small number you can count on one hand. Their TOS is mean as all fuck.

One can try and survive on dark web but not with any real traffic.

Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,395

@previous (J)
Did you just miss the point completely?

Kicking anyone off their service means that their piracy defense is fucked, and they are going to deal with the fallout of this decision. Now they have to kick off pirate sites.

Autist !StaYqkzUPc joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,430

@1,024,345 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
8chan is not to blame, it is a symptom not the cause. If 8chan isn't around, extremists will just congregate somewhere else.

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,434

@1,024,395 (G)
it’s fucking copypasta you retard

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,454

It's the end of the world as we know it

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,455

@1,024,430 (Autist !StaYqkzUPc)
Websites like 8chan are often essential ingredients for right wing terrorists, as it feeds them a steady diet of extremism in a cast-iron echo chamber. It is both a cause and a symptom.

(Edited 21 seconds later.)

Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,458

@previous (N)
You wish right wing speak was in an echo chamber.
It's going to burn the commie liberals down to the ground.
If we can get three or four more Trumps noone will remember what a lefty was.

Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,463

Guns are the problem, 8chan is the problem, the internet is the problem.

Why is never the case that stupid people are the fucking problem?

Autist !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 6 years ago, 46 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,477

@1,024,455 (N)
You sound like the people who used to blame GTA for violet crimes. These people are mentally unstable anyway, whether or not 8chan is around wouldn't make a difference. Mass shootings were happening way before 8chan.

Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,478

@previous (Autist !StaYqkzUPc)
What a naive response. GTA did not feed people a steady stream of extremism, making them hate other groups and ultimately pushing them to violence. If you think that 8chan is blameless in this, then you really don't understand how a far-right terrorist is made.

tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,479

@1,024,373 (G)
I wondered about this when they dropped The Daily Stormer.

There was a semi-similar situation with British ISPs. Once the industry voluntarily adopted a system to block CP (Cleanfeed™), the ISPs' arguments against blocking copyright-infringing content fell apart. The High Court even used Cleanfeed as evidence that ISPs could, but were merely unwilling to, block websites like The Pirate Bay. Which is why we now have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_the_United_Kingdom

Realistically, Cloudflare had no other option but to drop the Stormer and 8chan. Recent events have made their absolutist free speech position untenable. But I do wonder what the impact will be for Cloudflare, in the long run.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,480

@1,024,478 (N)
Are you an expert?

tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 32 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,481

/r/ing becky

Anonymous N replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,484

@1,024,480 (Q)
You don't need expertise to know that websites like that are often pivotal in radicalising young men. ISIS did the same thing with their online presence.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 16 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,491

@1,024,347 (F)
Do you think the Manchester Arena bombing should be forgiven because they were just reacting to Western countries invading the middle East?

tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,495

@1,024,477 (Autist !StaYqkzUPc)
@1,024,484 (N)
Gotta side with N here. The video game comparison is disingenuous. Giving people a place to congregate and disseminate their radical ideas freely is obviously going to encourage people and strengthen these beliefs. If only there were any decent studies into radicalisation in online spaces... Oh wait there's fucking l o a d s. ?

Disrupting communities works.

Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 31 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,499

@1,024,491 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
They just hate our freedoms

Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 54 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,507

@1,024,458 (M)
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Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,790

@1,024,479 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> absolutist free speech position
Did they ever have one though? I remember Reddit took a similar line in 2013 and then immediately caved when they discovered some people were using their freedom of speech to be racist. Cloudfare did the same thing with the Daily Stormer.

I don't think absolutism is the right word. You either support free speech or you don't. Anything else is basically just "I support freedom of speech, except the kind of speech I don't like".

terri !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,792

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
but.... that's dumb meta

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,796

@previous (terri !RwordOooFE)
"You have the freedom to say things I agree with"

That's what you mean by freedom of speech ?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,807

UPDATE:

Tucows terminated its support as 8chan's domain name registrar, effectively making the site difficult to connect to. 8chan switched their domain register to BitMitigate and used BitMitigate as its Dos protection service. BitMitigate a division of Epik, a services provider, that has supported other right-wing sites like Gab and The Daily Stormer.

8chan as well as The Daily Stormer, and BitMitigate, rented their servers from Voxility a huge cloud service headquartered in London.

Voxility Terminated services to 8chan, BitMitigate and the Daily Stormer.

Pig Farmer Jim Watkins the owner of 8chan, agreed to end 8chan. Of course he could start up something new elsewhere. He knows how to build web sites.

Hot off the press one hour ago.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-8chan-jim-watkins-life-2019-8

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,817

@previous (A)
Anglin spent time in the Philippines too. I wonder if there's a connection ???

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,825

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/us/daily-stormer-lawsuit.html

American Expats live in an almost compound like existence so could be. Now he is on the run as FBI and Interpol are in search of.

Ananthanarayanan M R replied with this 6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,832

@1,024,790 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
there isn't a single country with absolute free speech that's retarded

terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,834

@1,024,796 (Meta !Sober//iZs)

> "You have the freedom to say things I agree with"
no it's more like you have the freedom to say whatever you want to say anywhere but i won't complain when some non government entity says to knock it off

terri !RwordOooFE double-posted this 6 years ago, 9 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,835

@1,024,796 (Meta !Sober//iZs)

> "You have the freedom to say things I agree with"
no it's more like you have the freedom to say whatever you want to say anywhere but i won't complain when some non government entity says to knock it off

terri !RwordOooFE triple-posted this 6 years ago, 41 seconds later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,836

or if you get punched in the face, etc for being a shithead
durr it's a free country check mate

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,842

Was in a rush and still in a rush.

Loss of site registration plus Dos protection and then loss of the new servers - Truly remarkable.

Epik, a services provider, that has supported other right-wing sites like Gab and The Daily Stormer.

8chan as well as The Daily Stormer, and BitMitigate, rented their servers from Voxility a huge cloud service headquartered in London.

Voxility Terminated services to 8chan, BitMitigate and the Daily Stormer AND Epik a service provider that owned no hardware and leased it from Voxility.

Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,846

8chan is an illegal clone of 4chan and should be shut down pronto

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,852

@1,024,790 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
freedom of speech protects you from the government, it doesn't force private entities to give you a platform

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,854

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
That's the first amendment. Which is different from the concept of freedom of speech.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,857

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
well, it's a specific example of an implementation of it, which I think you mean it fails to deliver it in the complete sense

terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 36 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,864

@1,024,854 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
so freedom of speech is just tongue in cheek racism right

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,869

@previous (terri !RwordOooFE)
It can be anything. You get words and you get to do whatever you want with them.

Anonymous W joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,871

@1,024,479 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> I wondered about this when they dropped The Daily Stormer.
Their explanation for dropping Daily Stormer wasn't too terribly different. It basically amounted to not wanting to be associated with supporting their cause. In a lot of ways, I'm sure that was a business and PR decision as much as it was an ideological one. I don't think their rationale for dropping 8chan is terribly far away from the kind of decision they already made two years ago.

I don't think that leaves them in a terribly different place regarding piracy. They're already picking and choosing clients. Even if someone were to make the argument that the two issues are similar, there's quite a difference between playing different countries' copyright and press laws against each other and supporting speech that radicalizes people into racist mass murders.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,873

@previous (W)
Good points about what Cloudflare said. It's all about choices. There are other operations like Cloudflare although BitMitigate is/was such a company that provided the new Dos protection to 8chan and they leased all of their hardware from Voxility. Voxility pulled down 8chan's rented servers and then pulled the plug on BitMitigate and Epik.

Those who hate will remain on the net and find new homes. Cloudflare just wanted to flush the toilet.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,875

@1,024,854 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
its weird to force private entities to provide a platform for all speech tho, that's just another way to compel behavior
If i go to ur house and start insulting your mother should you be forced to allow me to stay there

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,876

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
It's no weirder than forcing people to bake a gay cake. We're not even talking about houses, we're talking about companies that sell to the public.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,878

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
do you disagree with anti-discrimination legislation

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,882

@previous (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I think of it more as network neutrality.

chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,884

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
you think of anti discrimination legislation as network neutrality?

Anonymous W replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,887

@1,024,876 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Why do you want to censor gay cakes?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,024,889

My weddding cake had "FUCK YOU NIGGERS" on it and I didn't even ask for that

terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,012

@1,024,876 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
lol hurr the gay cake brrrgggghhhh free speech

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,017

Kiwi Farms is locked out. Unique connection between Kiwi and 8chan.
Kiwi lockdown does prove that their free Cloudflare protection just needs to be upgraded to a full paid service and then they are good to go.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,023

@1,025,012 (terri !RwordOooFE)
Yeah like if a Christian refused to bake a cake for a black couple's wedding because they were black,and their religion said black people had no souls and couldn't get married, that's clearly unlawful discrimination. Being gay is pretty clearly analogous to that in the sense that you can't decide to be gay any more than you can decide to be black (hurr durr Rachel Dolezal) but for some reason when it's about dudes sucking cock or women eating snatch everyone gets amnesia and we have to relitigate the same fucking fight we JUST ALREADY RESOLVED. ARGHHHHHHHHH.

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chill dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,127

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Muh freedom of religion gives me a constitutional right to discriminate against gay people also freedum of speech (yet it's a violation of freedom of speech to force the baking of the gay cake but not a violation of freedom of speech to force hosting of 8chan?)

Autist !StaYqkzUPc replied with this 6 years ago, 31 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,152

@1,025,023 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If Twitter as a private company can ban who they want, then a bakery as a private business can refuse business to who they want. Unless the customer has already paid.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,157

@previous (Autist !StaYqkzUPc)
I agree

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,158

@1,025,152 (Autist !StaYqkzUPc)
They can't quite ban who they want because they can't refuse service to people based on protected classes (race, sex, religion, etc.). Same with bakeries. In the U.S. sexual orientation isn't considered a protected class, but there is a bill that would make it one. It passed the house but Republicans do not want it so it won't become law until at least next Congress.

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Anonymous L replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,025,258

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