Topic: Why do people insist on calling piracy "theft"?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #8,982
No matter how many times it's explained people still try to redefine the word to make piracy seem worse than it is.
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #158,862
For all intensive purposes it is theft
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,864
Quality Thread. This, surely, will change the world.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,867
@158,862 (hamfist !!snnYcROO9)
> intensive purposes
> intensive
Can't tell if trolling, or just a retard.
> intensive purposes
> intensive
Can't tell if trolling, or just a retard.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,870
@previous (A)
Must you be so snide? It only makes you look like a troll, after all. A little civility goes a long way!
Must you be so snide? It only makes you look like a troll, after all. A little civility goes a long way!
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,871
dreamworks joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,889
@OP
we do it to annoy you
we do it to annoy you
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,893
Makes it sound more "immoral".
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,895
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #158,897
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
That, and because it is theft. Kinda like sneaking into a movie or concert without paying is also theft. Theft of services and theft of intellectual property are still just ordinary theft.
/disengaging troll
That, and because it is theft. Kinda like sneaking into a movie or concert without paying is also theft. Theft of services and theft of intellectual property are still just ordinary theft.
/disengaging troll
Voice of !WisdomHsuU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,909
@previous (G)
Trespassing != theft
I'd argue that copyright infringement is actually closer to trespassing than theft.
Trespassing != theft
I'd argue that copyright infringement is actually closer to trespassing than theft.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,914
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Well then it's just a semantic argument. It doesn't matter what we call it, the fact is that people have a right to protect their intellectual property to some extent and when those rights are violated it doesn't matter whether you call it privacy, theft, or trespassing.
Well then it's just a semantic argument. It doesn't matter what we call it, the fact is that people have a right to protect their intellectual property to some extent and when those rights are violated it doesn't matter whether you call it privacy, theft, or trespassing.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,918
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
The right to the total control an idea infringes upon innovation and doesn't benefit society at all.
The right to the total control an idea infringes upon innovation and doesn't benefit society at all.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,925
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
That's why I specifically said "to some extent." Also, you can't copyright or patent "an idea". Abolishing all property rights for the sake of "innovation" would not benefit society at all, and would actually stifle innovation more since people wouldn't be able to take any credit or make any money off of their hard work.
That's why I specifically said "to some extent." Also, you can't copyright or patent "an idea". Abolishing all property rights for the sake of "innovation" would not benefit society at all, and would actually stifle innovation more since people wouldn't be able to take any credit or make any money off of their hard work.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,926
@158,918 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Are you arguing for some sort of collectivism? That sounds awfully leftist of you, faggot.
Are you arguing for some sort of collectivism? That sounds awfully leftist of you, faggot.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,929
@158,925 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
That's why I'd rather have a system that rewards innovation with money, rather than a government-backed monopoly.
That's why I'd rather have a system that rewards innovation with money, rather than a government-backed monopoly.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,930
@158,926 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
I'm suggesting a system where monopolies would be naturally stifled, rather than require government intervention.
I'm suggesting a system where monopolies would be naturally stifled, rather than require government intervention.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,933
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,937
@158,929 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
How are they going to get money from their innovation if you pirate all their shit instead of paying for it? It's like saying that McDonald's shouldn't be allowed to have a "monopoly" on the BicMac and all restaurants should be allowed to make identical burgers and call them BigMacs. You're fucking retarded.
How are they going to get money from their innovation if you pirate all their shit instead of paying for it? It's like saying that McDonald's shouldn't be allowed to have a "monopoly" on the BicMac and all restaurants should be allowed to make identical burgers and call them BigMacs. You're fucking retarded.
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Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,938
@158,933 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Yes, but antitrust laws are a complete failure and patents stifle competition. If we were to do away with either of them, then we'd have a market system that regulates itself.
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
I pirate all their shit now.
Yes, but antitrust laws are a complete failure and patents stifle competition. If we were to do away with either of them, then we'd have a market system that regulates itself.
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
I pirate all their shit now.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,939
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,941
@158,937 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> It's like saying that McDonald's shouldn't be allowed to have a "monopoly" on the BicMac and all restaurants should be allowed to make identical burgers and call them BigMacs.
McDonalds would still get royalties from them, but they cannot have a government-backed monopoly. I'm calling for a system of royalties, rather than a system that grants inventors monopolistic control.
> It's like saying that McDonald's shouldn't be allowed to have a "monopoly" on the BicMac and all restaurants should be allowed to make identical burgers and call them BigMacs.
McDonalds would still get royalties from them, but they cannot have a government-backed monopoly. I'm calling for a system of royalties, rather than a system that grants inventors monopolistic control.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,942
@158,938 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Patents do not stifle competition or innovation. You can only patent a very specific design or process. Patents force competitors to come up with better designs/processes rather than just steal the concepts from others, which forces innovation. If you got rid of all patents, not many people would bother putting time or effort into things like finding new drugs if they can't make any money from their designs.
Patents do not stifle competition or innovation. You can only patent a very specific design or process. Patents force competitors to come up with better designs/processes rather than just steal the concepts from others, which forces innovation. If you got rid of all patents, not many people would bother putting time or effort into things like finding new drugs if they can't make any money from their designs.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,943
@158,941 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> royalties
Royalties are just another type of intellectual property, dipshit. If there are no copyrights/trademarks/patents/etc then no one has a right to royalties. Come back when you're not a retarded 15-year-old who thinks he knows everything about how the world works.
> royalties
Royalties are just another type of intellectual property, dipshit. If there are no copyrights/trademarks/patents/etc then no one has a right to royalties. Come back when you're not a retarded 15-year-old who thinks he knows everything about how the world works.
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,944
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,946
@158,942 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> You can only patent a very specific design or process.
Yeah, but you get exclusive control over that design or process.
> Patents force competitors to come up with better designs/processes rather than just steal the concepts from others, which forces innovation.
Patents only force competitors to change minor things and then patent that to protect themselves from not being able to use that slightly-different design/process.
> If you got rid of all patents, not many people would bother putting time or effort into things like finding new drugs if they can't make any money from their designs.
That would not only substantially drive down the cost of drugs and put an end to drug shortages (which kill people), but it would encourage the search for drugs that can cure things that actually matter, like AIDS or cancer, rather than having drug companies constantly pump out slightly different ADHD pills.
> You can only patent a very specific design or process.
Yeah, but you get exclusive control over that design or process.
> Patents force competitors to come up with better designs/processes rather than just steal the concepts from others, which forces innovation.
Patents only force competitors to change minor things and then patent that to protect themselves from not being able to use that slightly-different design/process.
> If you got rid of all patents, not many people would bother putting time or effort into things like finding new drugs if they can't make any money from their designs.
That would not only substantially drive down the cost of drugs and put an end to drug shortages (which kill people), but it would encourage the search for drugs that can cure things that actually matter, like AIDS or cancer, rather than having drug companies constantly pump out slightly different ADHD pills.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU double-posted this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,947
@158,944 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
It's actually very pro-capitalist, as it encourages innovation for monetary gain.
It's actually very pro-capitalist, as it encourages innovation for monetary gain.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,955
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #158,959
@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Actually, no. Most of the transactions would be private, and at worst it might require the usage of civil courts for the infringer to pay up. Besides, it's only to be infringement if it were done for a purpose outside of non-profit or personal usage.
Actually, no. Most of the transactions would be private, and at worst it might require the usage of civil courts for the infringer to pay up. Besides, it's only to be infringement if it were done for a purpose outside of non-profit or personal usage.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,086
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
If I make something, be it a computer program or a computer chip --you can not have it unless you pay me. That is how the world works, otherwise if you take it without paying then you are a thief, and I hate you so much Psychopath.
If I make something, be it a computer program or a computer chip --you can not have it unless you pay me. That is how the world works, otherwise if you take it without paying then you are a thief, and I hate you so much Psychopath.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,104
@previous (J)
If I actually wanted/needed such chip, then of course I'd buy it used. If it were a computer program, then I'd just wait for it to hit Warez-BB because fuck you.
If I actually wanted/needed such chip, then of course I'd buy it used. If it were a computer program, then I'd just wait for it to hit Warez-BB because fuck you.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,110
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,113
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,120
@159,104 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Or you could also wait until the software is outdated like the chip and you can buy it off the discount shelf because otherwise you're a hypocritical thief.
Doesn't bother me if you are, lol. Be a thief, really, no one gives a fuck. But don't try and sound superior because of it. Just do like most thieves and steal shit and shut the fuck up about it out of shame.
Or you could also wait until the software is outdated like the chip and you can buy it off the discount shelf because otherwise you're a hypocritical thief.
Doesn't bother me if you are, lol. Be a thief, really, no one gives a fuck. But don't try and sound superior because of it. Just do like most thieves and steal shit and shut the fuck up about it out of shame.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,123
@159,113 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Typical leftist scum who wants to prevent others from pursuing happiness and liberty.
Typical leftist scum who wants to prevent others from pursuing happiness and liberty.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,124
@159,120 (J)
> implying they shut up because of shame rather than trying not to get caught
It's not my fault you're selling something that is normally free.
> implying they shut up because of shame rather than trying not to get caught
It's not my fault you're selling something that is normally free.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,130
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
No, it is your fault if you steal something from someone else. You just don't have the conviction to admit that you're doing something wrong for the fuck of it. You've got to defend it in your little mind as being something other than what it really is. If you pirate then you steal, simple as that. You're just not a big enough man to admit that you purposefully do something despite knowing that it's wrong.
You child. Grow the fuck up and be a man and accept responsibility for what you do and quit making up bullshit excuses that have no basis in the real world.
No, it is your fault if you steal something from someone else. You just don't have the conviction to admit that you're doing something wrong for the fuck of it. You've got to defend it in your little mind as being something other than what it really is. If you pirate then you steal, simple as that. You're just not a big enough man to admit that you purposefully do something despite knowing that it's wrong.
You child. Grow the fuck up and be a man and accept responsibility for what you do and quit making up bullshit excuses that have no basis in the real world.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,132
@159,124 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
What makes you think it should be "normally free?" Do you expect people to put full-time effort into developing games, music, movies, and software for you and not have a legal right to payment?
What makes you think it should be "normally free?" Do you expect people to put full-time effort into developing games, music, movies, and software for you and not have a legal right to payment?
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,136
@159,130 (J)
Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Supply and demand states that data shouldn't be sold as it has unlimited supply.
Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Supply and demand states that data shouldn't be sold as it has unlimited supply.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,142
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
I just did. See @159,132 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> Supply and demand states that data shouldn't be sold as it has unlimited supply.
That doesn't answer my question. It just proves that normal laws of supply and demand don't apply to data. What about the labor they put into developing the games/music/movies/software? Should all that labor be free? If people can't get paid for their efforts, then no one is going to bother making good music/movies/games/software, and then there will be nothing for you to steal. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
> Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
I just did. See @159,132 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> Supply and demand states that data shouldn't be sold as it has unlimited supply.
That doesn't answer my question. It just proves that normal laws of supply and demand don't apply to data. What about the labor they put into developing the games/music/movies/software? Should all that labor be free? If people can't get paid for their efforts, then no one is going to bother making good music/movies/games/software, and then there will be nothing for you to steal. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,145
@159,136 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Because my labor is just as valid as yours and the product of my labor was data. Depending on the agreement between us, you’re either paying up front for said labor, or paying afterward for a small share of its outcome.
Because my labor is just as valid as yours and the product of my labor was data. Depending on the agreement between us, you’re either paying up front for said labor, or paying afterward for a small share of its outcome.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,148
Protip: BBSOOP died because I have better outlets for my labor. You could have had the perfect board, Walter, if only you had paid me for developing it.
…and it’s funny that you want to buy AnonBBS’ source code, but keep toeing this line about hurr durr data is free.
…and it’s funny that you want to buy AnonBBS’ source code, but keep toeing this line about hurr durr data is free.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,150
@159,136 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
Why are you using the generic "data" instead of something specific, like movie, or music, or software, or media, or service? You're trying to obfuscate intellectual property with the more ethereal concept of 'data.'
Tell you what, how about that 'data' on your HDD is a piece of software, or music, or movie, or media, or service you're wanting to 'use' for a 'reason' and that 'data' was made by someone else who is charging for it's use, then you wanting to 'use' it for a 'reason' is enough of a reason to pay that person for their work.
See, in the free market money is exchanged for goods and services...
> Give me one good reason why I should pay for a license to use data that is stored on my HDD?
Why are you using the generic "data" instead of something specific, like movie, or music, or software, or media, or service? You're trying to obfuscate intellectual property with the more ethereal concept of 'data.'
Tell you what, how about that 'data' on your HDD is a piece of software, or music, or movie, or media, or service you're wanting to 'use' for a 'reason' and that 'data' was made by someone else who is charging for it's use, then you wanting to 'use' it for a 'reason' is enough of a reason to pay that person for their work.
See, in the free market money is exchanged for goods and services...
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 45 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,151
@previous (J)
BUT IT’S JUST ZEROES AND ONES THOSE ARE FREE …and fucking magnets, too, bud
BUT IT’S JUST ZEROES AND ONES THOSE ARE FREE …and fucking magnets, too, bud
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,152
@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Someone should patent 2s and 3s and make computers run on those to get past all those pesky patents on ones and zeros
Someone should patent 2s and 3s and make computers run on those to get past all those pesky patents on ones and zeros
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,153
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,155
@159,151 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
I just like how Walter is always right about everything, even when it comes to being wrong --he's still gotta be in the right. Such a strange, deluded world you've built for yourself psychopath.
I just like how Walter is always right about everything, even when it comes to being wrong --he's still gotta be in the right. Such a strange, deluded world you've built for yourself psychopath.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,178
Piracy, and trespassing are not theft.
Get a fucking dictionary and look up that word, and use it correctly.
Get a fucking dictionary and look up that word, and use it correctly.
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,185
Are Big Mac's patented? If so, what the fuck has this world come to.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,186
@159,178 (A)
What's the difference between pirating a program and stealing it from a store? Semantics. Grow the fuck up, child.
What's the difference between pirating a program and stealing it from a store? Semantics. Grow the fuck up, child.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,188
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,189
@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
Ah ok, I thought broseph mentioned them as patented, and since he knows everything..
Ah ok, I thought broseph mentioned them as patented, and since he knows everything..
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,194
@previous ([^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk)
Or someone mentioned them. Man, I've been reading deadpool too much. Chimichangas.
Or someone mentioned them. Man, I've been reading deadpool too much. Chimichangas.
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Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,221
@159,132 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Look at how Notch is doing without having to rely upon the law to prevent piracy. He's selling his game like hotcakes, despite Minecraft having an insane amount of piracy.
@159,148 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
That's because you were selling a service to provide us a free BBS software, rather than you selling a product.
@159,151 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
I already paid for the HDD. Why should I have to pay for patterns on my own HDD?
@159,186 (J)
I thought it was already established that data is a service rather than a product.
Oh, and I find it funny how everyone seems to think that there will be no incentive for people to develop software if no one pays for it. Newflash: corporations will pay programmers to contribute to the GNU project and they would continue to do so even if data is never purchased.
Look at how Notch is doing without having to rely upon the law to prevent piracy. He's selling his game like hotcakes, despite Minecraft having an insane amount of piracy.
@159,148 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
That's because you were selling a service to provide us a free BBS software, rather than you selling a product.
@159,151 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
I already paid for the HDD. Why should I have to pay for patterns on my own HDD?
@159,186 (J)
I thought it was already established that data is a service rather than a product.
Oh, and I find it funny how everyone seems to think that there will be no incentive for people to develop software if no one pays for it. Newflash: corporations will pay programmers to contribute to the GNU project and they would continue to do so even if data is never purchased.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,225
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Never change, bud.
…whydo you does your unionized father buy the power that spins the drives and writes electromagnetic charges to them?
Never change, bud.
…why
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,258
@159,186 (J)
> What's the difference between
> pirating a program
Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
> and stealing it from a store?
Necessarily harmful, whether or not you were going to buy it they lost money.
> semantics
lolno.
> What's the difference between
> pirating a program
Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
> and stealing it from a store?
Necessarily harmful, whether or not you were going to buy it they lost money.
> semantics
lolno.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,268
@previous (A)
> Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
If you use a program that you didn't purchase, then they did lose a sale. You see, people are supposed to pay money for goods and services in a free market. Otherwise you have stolen those goods and services. If you use them without paying (i.e. they lost a sale) then you are a thief.
> Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
If you use a program that you didn't purchase, then they did lose a sale. You see, people are supposed to pay money for goods and services in a free market. Otherwise you have stolen those goods and services. If you use them without paying (i.e. they lost a sale) then you are a thief.
Anonymous J double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,273
@159,221 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> Look at how Notch is doing despite insane amount of piracy. He's selling his game like hotcakes fortunately!
FTFY
> Look at how Notch is doing despite insane amount of piracy. He's selling his game like hotcakes fortunately!
FTFY
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,284
@159,268 (J)
> >Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
> If you use a program that you didn't purchase, then they did lose a sale.
They only lose a sale if you would have bought it otherwise. You are assuming that if piracy wasn't around the pirates would have spent the money on it instead, which is not true.
Sometimes people pirate as an alternative to paying for it, and end up costing the developer money, but that is not always the case. I have a lot of movies and music that I would not have paid for if piracy was not around, I'd just go without it.
> >Not necessarily harmful, only harmful if it's a lost sale.
> If you use a program that you didn't purchase, then they did lose a sale.
They only lose a sale if you would have bought it otherwise. You are assuming that if piracy wasn't around the pirates would have spent the money on it instead, which is not true.
Sometimes people pirate as an alternative to paying for it, and end up costing the developer money, but that is not always the case. I have a lot of movies and music that I would not have paid for if piracy was not around, I'd just go without it.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,292
@previous (A)
Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it? Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it? Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
Anonymous J double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,298
@159,284 (A)
> You are assuming that if piracy wasn't around the pirates would have spent the money on it instead, which is not true.
I am assuming that if piracy was impossible then people would have to pay money to use someones goods or services, yes. And if they can't afford it or don't want to pay for it then they don't get to use it because they are not entitled to it.
> You are assuming that if piracy wasn't around the pirates would have spent the money on it instead, which is not true.
I am assuming that if piracy was impossible then people would have to pay money to use someones goods or services, yes. And if they can't afford it or don't want to pay for it then they don't get to use it because they are not entitled to it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,309
@159,292 (J)
> Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it?
No, that would serve no purpose. The artist would not be any better off in that situation.
> Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
I never said that entitled me to it, I said that meant it is not harmful. Since it's not harmful I do not see a point in abstaining.
> You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
Congratulations on going full retard! A plumber has to do work for each client. If I stopped pirating th artists would have done the same amount of work. Why does this have to be explained to you?
I know it may shock you, but when someone torrents a movie, there is not a refilming as you download. It's been done. The workload will not change whether or not someone pirates the movie. Since I wouldn't have bought it anyway, neither does their $ amount change.
Piracy often has absolutely no effect on an artist. That is what seperates it from theft.
> Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it?
No, that would serve no purpose. The artist would not be any better off in that situation.
> Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
I never said that entitled me to it, I said that meant it is not harmful. Since it's not harmful I do not see a point in abstaining.
> You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
Congratulations on going full retard! A plumber has to do work for each client. If I stopped pirating th artists would have done the same amount of work. Why does this have to be explained to you?
I know it may shock you, but when someone torrents a movie, there is not a refilming as you download. It's been done. The workload will not change whether or not someone pirates the movie. Since I wouldn't have bought it anyway, neither does their $ amount change.
Piracy often has absolutely no effect on an artist. That is what seperates it from theft.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,325
@previous (A)
> > Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it?
> No, that would serve no purpose. The artist would not be any better off in that situation.
LOL, you're really reaching now, kid. You're just stealing from them and trying to claim that you're helping them. Go fuck your throat with a hammer.
> > Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
> I never said that entitled me to it, I said that meant it is not harmful.
Fuck harmful, you're still using something without paying for it -- thief!
> > You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
> Congratulations on going full retard! A plumber has to do work for each client. If I stopped pirating th artists would have done the same amount of work. Why does this have to be explained to you?
Because stealing is wrong. And you're not going to justify it with your silly little words and arguments. You want to think you're somehow being noble and that piracy isn't 'wrong' probably because it benefits you to be a thief and steal shit that you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. You get to listen to all the music, movies and play whatever games you want, even if they suck, you get to use all that stuff and be entertained and spend all that time 'playing' with shit that you decided you wanted to have. And it's allllllll free.
Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
> > Then go without it if you don't want to pay for it?
> No, that would serve no purpose. The artist would not be any better off in that situation.
LOL, you're really reaching now, kid. You're just stealing from them and trying to claim that you're helping them. Go fuck your throat with a hammer.
> > Why does you 'not liking it enough to actually pay for it' somehow entitle you to use it anyway?
> I never said that entitled me to it, I said that meant it is not harmful.
Fuck harmful, you're still using something without paying for it -- thief!
> > You're a shit plumber and I don't really need a new shower anyway, but do all the work, give it to me NOW and then GET THE FUCK OUT COCKSUCKER. Is that how that's supposed to work in your young undeveloped mind?
> Congratulations on going full retard! A plumber has to do work for each client. If I stopped pirating th artists would have done the same amount of work. Why does this have to be explained to you?
Because stealing is wrong. And you're not going to justify it with your silly little words and arguments. You want to think you're somehow being noble and that piracy isn't 'wrong' probably because it benefits you to be a thief and steal shit that you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. You get to listen to all the music, movies and play whatever games you want, even if they suck, you get to use all that stuff and be entertained and spend all that time 'playing' with shit that you decided you wanted to have. And it's allllllll free.
Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,339
@previous (J)
> LOL, you're really reaching now, kid.
Because I don't see the harm in something harmless? Oh, okay.
> You're just stealing from them
Harmful or not, it's still not stealing by definition.
> and trying to claim that you're helping them.
I never said that, your argument is getting pathetic.
> Go fuck your throat with a hammer.
Compelling argument!
> Fuck harmful, you're still using something without paying for it -- thief!
By your logic, using anything that is free is theft.
> Because stealing is wrong. And you're not going to justify it with your silly little words and arguments. You want to think you're somehow being noble and that piracy isn't 'wrong' probably because it benefits you to be a thief and steal shit that you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. You get to listen to all the music, movies and play whatever games you want, even if they suck, you get to use all that stuff and be entertained and spend all that time 'playing' with shit that you decided you wanted to have. And it's allllllll free.
That has nothing to do with your false analogy, are you just going to pretend you didn't say that? An artist does not have to do additional work for each additional user, nice try though. Maybe I'll just forget about that one!
> Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
Uh-huh, have fun rewriting definitions, pretending pirates would have bought everything they ever pirated if they couldn't pirate it, and that artists have to recreate each piece whenever they pirate it.
Seriously, three complete fails in logic there. I really hope you are just a troll, but your argument is just degrading with each post. You are ignoring the fact that it costs them nothing typically, and that it means no additional work, and that it will have absolutely no effect.
inb4 you ignore that whole post and start shouting "stealing is wrong" like a broken record.
> LOL, you're really reaching now, kid.
Because I don't see the harm in something harmless? Oh, okay.
> You're just stealing from them
Harmful or not, it's still not stealing by definition.
> and trying to claim that you're helping them.
I never said that, your argument is getting pathetic.
> Go fuck your throat with a hammer.
Compelling argument!
> Fuck harmful, you're still using something without paying for it -- thief!
By your logic, using anything that is free is theft.
> Because stealing is wrong. And you're not going to justify it with your silly little words and arguments. You want to think you're somehow being noble and that piracy isn't 'wrong' probably because it benefits you to be a thief and steal shit that you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. You get to listen to all the music, movies and play whatever games you want, even if they suck, you get to use all that stuff and be entertained and spend all that time 'playing' with shit that you decided you wanted to have. And it's allllllll free.
That has nothing to do with your false analogy, are you just going to pretend you didn't say that? An artist does not have to do additional work for each additional user, nice try though. Maybe I'll just forget about that one!
> Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
Uh-huh, have fun rewriting definitions, pretending pirates would have bought everything they ever pirated if they couldn't pirate it, and that artists have to recreate each piece whenever they pirate it.
Seriously, three complete fails in logic there. I really hope you are just a troll, but your argument is just degrading with each post. You are ignoring the fact that it costs them nothing typically, and that it means no additional work, and that it will have absolutely no effect.
inb4 you ignore that whole post and start shouting "stealing is wrong" like a broken record.
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,341
NEWSFLASH: Anonymous J and Anonymous A are both correct!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,359
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Amused, rather.
Amused, rather.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,365
@159,339 (A)
> By your logic, using anything that is free is theft.
Not what I said, bud. You're taking me out of context again. You're either doing this purposefully or are dumb. I am not referring to anything that is offered as a free product or service. I am referring to the illegal downloading and use other people's intellectual property, otherwise known as piracy.
> That has nothing to do with your false analogy, are you just going to pretend you didn't say that? An artist does not have to do additional work for each additional user, nice try though. Maybe I'll just forget about that one!
No, my analogy is still sound. Each person is performing a job and the result of their labors is a product. Money is exchanged for the use of products produced by people who are selling them, unless you are stealing.
> > Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
> Uh-huh, have fun rewriting definitions, pretending pirates would have bought everything they ever pirated if they couldn't pirate it, and that artists have to recreate each piece whenever they pirate it.
You are the one who implied I made those arguments. I have simply stated that 'they wouldn't have bought it anyway' is fail logic. You wouldn't have bought it anyway, but you did use it, so.... you did use it? see how that works? You did use it. You used it, so... Just saying you wouldn't have isn't really enough to excuse the fact that you did end up using it without paying for it...
But you can make your circular reasoning some more if you like.
> Seriously, three complete fails in logic there. I really hope you are just a troll, but your argument is just degrading with each post. You are ignoring the fact that it costs them nothing typically, and that it means no additional work, and that it will have absolutely no effect.
You are ignoring the fact that someone else had to perform labor in order for you to enjoy your pirated movies, music and videogames. You're nothing but a hypocritical thief and are full of more shit than depressionman's nigger cock cum filled throat.
Go on, reiterate your justifications for stealing some more.
> By your logic, using anything that is free is theft.
Not what I said, bud. You're taking me out of context again. You're either doing this purposefully or are dumb. I am not referring to anything that is offered as a free product or service. I am referring to the illegal downloading and use other people's intellectual property, otherwise known as piracy.
> That has nothing to do with your false analogy, are you just going to pretend you didn't say that? An artist does not have to do additional work for each additional user, nice try though. Maybe I'll just forget about that one!
No, my analogy is still sound. Each person is performing a job and the result of their labors is a product. Money is exchanged for the use of products produced by people who are selling them, unless you are stealing.
> > Sounds pretty sweet when you say it like that. Maybe I should feel entitled to the products of other peoples work too.
> Uh-huh, have fun rewriting definitions, pretending pirates would have bought everything they ever pirated if they couldn't pirate it, and that artists have to recreate each piece whenever they pirate it.
You are the one who implied I made those arguments. I have simply stated that 'they wouldn't have bought it anyway' is fail logic. You wouldn't have bought it anyway, but you did use it, so.... you did use it? see how that works? You did use it. You used it, so... Just saying you wouldn't have isn't really enough to excuse the fact that you did end up using it without paying for it...
But you can make your circular reasoning some more if you like.
> Seriously, three complete fails in logic there. I really hope you are just a troll, but your argument is just degrading with each post. You are ignoring the fact that it costs them nothing typically, and that it means no additional work, and that it will have absolutely no effect.
You are ignoring the fact that someone else had to perform labor in order for you to enjoy your pirated movies, music and videogames. You're nothing but a hypocritical thief and are full of more shit than depressionman's nigger cock cum filled throat.
Go on, reiterate your justifications for stealing some more.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,388
I hate you so much Psychopath.
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,441
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,475
Moral of this thread.
Big Mac's are patented so don't download them.
/thread.
Big Mac's are patented so don't download them.
/thread.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,480
Intellectual property: because even ideas can be monopolized.
!JuMPb0dbaE joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,484
Everything is going digital. You are going to see less investors willing to invest in something if the product isn't secure.
Way to halt technological progress, guyZ
Way to halt technological progress, guyZ
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,488
@159,475 ([^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk)
You wouldn't download a BicMac...
@159,480 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
You're a stubborn jackass and you haven't learned a thing from this thread. Ideas cannot be copyrighted or patented. Anyone can take your idea and do whatever they want with it, as long as it doesn't violate copyrights/patents, and copyrights and patents only cover very specific works and designs.
You wouldn't download a BicMac...
@159,480 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
You're a stubborn jackass and you haven't learned a thing from this thread. Ideas cannot be copyrighted or patented. Anyone can take your idea and do whatever they want with it, as long as it doesn't violate copyrights/patents, and copyrights and patents only cover very specific works and designs.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,539
> complaining about copyright-infringemnt
> posting on a board formed by copyright-infringement
> posting on a board formed by copyright-infringement
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,548
@previous (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> implying Kimmo's ideas can be copyrighted
You just don't get it, do you?
> implying Kimmo's ideas can be copyrighted
You just don't get it, do you?
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 39 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,567
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,576
@159,441 (Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA)
I don't buy much data. If piracy weren't around I might use Pandora more, or rent a movie occasionally. I don't use proprietary software, neither purchased nor pirated so that wouldn't change.
I don't buy much data. If piracy weren't around I might use Pandora more, or rent a movie occasionally. I don't use proprietary software, neither purchased nor pirated so that wouldn't change.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,614
If it weren't for pirates, pandora never would have been able to exist. I don't think people should face criminal charges for pirating unless directly selling pirated software. Note: directly selling. Not linking to or making available on a site where there is ad revenue. I also think any civil action should be very limited. No huge judgements. Less than a few hundred bucks for the most serious cases where no one was selling the material.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,615
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,617
@everyone(Edited 3 minutes later.)
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,637
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,647
@159,615 (D)
Sounds like without piracy he might use Pandora (paid for by ads) or rent movies more... Which means that the artist would recieve revenue.
Also, anon A, you said it's stupid to think pirates would pay for using something if they couldn't pirate it.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong and admitting that without piracy you'd actually pay for some of that stuff you pirate. That was your whole argument against being a theif - that you wouldn't have bought it anyway.
So now you're a theif, and a liar. Nice. At least you admit it eventually.
Sounds like without piracy he might use Pandora (paid for by ads) or rent movies more... Which means that the artist would recieve revenue.
Also, anon A, you said it's stupid to think pirates would pay for using something if they couldn't pirate it.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong and admitting that without piracy you'd actually pay for some of that stuff you pirate. That was your whole argument against being a theif - that you wouldn't have bought it anyway.
So now you're a theif, and a liar. Nice. At least you admit it eventually.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,654
lolol
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Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,655
@previous (Q)
Lol. Everyone calm down and watch this information video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw-MFeR8Frw
Lol. Everyone calm down and watch this information video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw-MFeR8Frw
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 41 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,662
[^_^] !IOdbnXsKDk replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,666
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 40 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,684
dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,689
y not
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,690
@159,684 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
See, there's always legitimate alternatives to stealing.
Steal if you want to, just own up to it.
See, there's always legitimate alternatives to stealing.
Steal if you want to, just own up to it.
replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,691
@previous (G)
I own up to replicating strings of 0s and 1s without the owner's permission. <3
I own up to replicating strings of 0s and 1s without the owner's permission. <3
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Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,692
FBI replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,693
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 27 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,717
@159,692 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
You're not entitled to the products of other people's labor, are you?
You're not entitled to the products of other people's labor, are you?
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,721
@previous (G)
I'm not about to waste money just to make you feel good. Even people of the GNU project get paid because corporations want them to develop software for them, so I think those devs will find a way to make a living somehow.. Besides, piracy mostly harms the publisher, rather than the developer.
I'm not about to waste money just to make you feel good. Even people of the GNU project get paid because corporations want them to develop software for them, so I think those devs will find a way to make a living somehow.. Besides, piracy mostly harms the publisher, rather than the developer.
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,725
dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,727
@159,721 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
> Besides, piracy mostly harms the publisher, rather than the developer.
lol
> Besides, piracy mostly harms the publisher, rather than the developer.
lol
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,728
@159,721 (Voice of !WisdomHsuU)
Not talking about me feeling good. It's about people owning their actions and not making bullshit excuses to justify their behavior.
If you're fine with stealing, cool. Do it faggot. Just don't call it honorable or pretend to be helping anyone other than yourself.
Not talking about me feeling good. It's about people owning their actions and not making bullshit excuses to justify their behavior.
If you're fine with stealing, cool. Do it faggot. Just don't call it honorable or pretend to be helping anyone other than yourself.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,729
@159,647 (G)
> Sounds like without piracy he might use Pandora (paid for by ads) or rent movies more... Which means that the artist would recieve revenue.
>
> Also, anon A, you said it's stupid to think pirates would pay for using something if they couldn't pirate it.
No, I said it's stupid to think a pirate would pay for everything he's ever pirated.
> Thanks for proving yourself wrong and admitting that without piracy you'd actually pay for some of that stuff you pirate. That was your whole argument against being a theif - that you wouldn't have bought it anyway.
I did not say I'd pay for everything I'd otherwise pirate, I said I'd rent the occasional movie and use pandora.
If you have to twist my words to make your point you are a failure.
> Sounds like without piracy he might use Pandora (paid for by ads) or rent movies more... Which means that the artist would recieve revenue.
>
> Also, anon A, you said it's stupid to think pirates would pay for using something if they couldn't pirate it.
No, I said it's stupid to think a pirate would pay for everything he's ever pirated.
> Thanks for proving yourself wrong and admitting that without piracy you'd actually pay for some of that stuff you pirate. That was your whole argument against being a theif - that you wouldn't have bought it anyway.
I did not say I'd pay for everything I'd otherwise pirate, I said I'd rent the occasional movie and use pandora.
If you have to twist my words to make your point you are a failure.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,730
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,731
Voice of !WisdomHsuU double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,732
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,733
@159,690 (G)
Whether or not piracy is harmful, it's still not stealing.
If I paint an imitation of the Mona Lisa, that is I make a copy, I have not stolen it. Just as piracy is not theft.
Stealing is taking something. Piracy is copying something.
Regardless of how you feel about it, by definition it is not theft.
Whether or not piracy is harmful, it's still not stealing.
If I paint an imitation of the Mona Lisa, that is I make a copy, I have not stolen it. Just as piracy is not theft.
Stealing is taking something. Piracy is copying something.
Regardless of how you feel about it, by definition it is not theft.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,734
@previous (A)
Actually, up until very recently, piracy referred to the unauthorized usage of intellectual property FOR COMMERCIAL GAIN, rather than just the unauthorized usage of intellectual property.
Actually, up until very recently, piracy referred to the unauthorized usage of intellectual property FOR COMMERCIAL GAIN, rather than just the unauthorized usage of intellectual property.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #159,736
For people who are against piracy and copyright infringement; why are you posting on this board? It is infringing the copyright of Kimmo Alm! You are using software that was ILLEGALLY STOLEN!!11
At the risk of being hypocrites, please leave. ^_^
At the risk of being hypocrites, please leave. ^_^
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