Topic: I want socialism
Dark !HLa610O9S2 started this discussion 6 years ago #89,619
Capitalism is great for people with capital but sucks for the rest of us, you know.
tteh !GETFUCKED joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,022,510
Have you considered simply acquiring capital through SHEER WILLPOWER?
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,512
@previous (tteh !GETFUCKED)
I hear that eccentric millionaires are also a possibility for donations.
I hear that eccentric millionaires are also a possibility for donations.
terri !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 34 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,514
@previous (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
i hear writing a best selling book can make you a millionaire
i hear writing a best selling book can make you a millionaire
Dark !HLa610O9S2 (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 36 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,517
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,521
Inb4 incoherent ramblings about "cold hard cash".
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,523
@1,022,517 (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
If you live in US you could vote for Bernie. He is a commie in modern, form now labeled socialism. If he wins, then you get some stuff at lower cost. Later if you have children and they grow up, they will be forced to pay for your discount.
If you live in US you could vote for Bernie. He is a commie in modern, form now labeled socialism. If he wins, then you get some stuff at lower cost. Later if you have children and they grow up, they will be forced to pay for your discount.
Dark !HLa610O9S2 (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,524
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,528
Ain't the story that it's been tried and didn't work? Why are we stuck between three choices though, can't we just create the fourth method or something.
terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,529
Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,530
@1,022,524 (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
Using the powers of Google because there was no way I could in so few words explain the differences.
That means in my case - The People will rip apart my wallet and bank account and re-distribute my money to YOU and others with of course Government Overhead which runs about 70% under socialist operations.
So I will not vote for Bernie - One exception of course is I will be forced to if it's Bernie vs Trump.
Using the powers of Google because there was no way I could in so few words explain the differences.
Communism vs. Socialism
The main difference is that under communism, most property and economic resources are owned and controlled by the state (rather than individual citizens); by contrast, under socialism, all citizens share equally in all economic resources as allocated by a democratically-elected government.
The main difference is that under communism, most property and economic resources are owned and controlled by the state (rather than individual citizens); by contrast, under socialism, all citizens share equally in all economic resources as allocated by a democratically-elected government.
That means in my case - The People will rip apart my wallet and bank account and re-distribute my money to YOU and others with of course Government Overhead which runs about 70% under socialist operations.
So I will not vote for Bernie - One exception of course is I will be forced to if it's Bernie vs Trump.
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Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,565
@previous (I)
Joe has never raped a woman or on live tv camera bragged about being able to grab boobs and pussy. Joe has not been accused of hiring prostitutes to piss all over him.
Joe has not paid off women in cash settlements he had sex with.
So Yes Joe is my current choice. That said I will support any current person who is running against Trump. Trump has been very very good for my wallet. Not very good for my moral well being.
Joe has never raped a woman or on live tv camera bragged about being able to grab boobs and pussy. Joe has not been accused of hiring prostitutes to piss all over him.
Joe has not paid off women in cash settlements he had sex with.
So Yes Joe is my current choice. That said I will support any current person who is running against Trump. Trump has been very very good for my wallet. Not very good for my moral well being.
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,567
Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,571
@previous (G)
Yep.
I am totally against racism and Trump is a White Nationalist. He embraced the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.
Yep.
I am totally against racism and Trump is a White Nationalist. He embraced the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.
Anonymous I replied with this 6 years ago, 12 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,572
Bernie as Pres:
"If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 21dollars."
"If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 21dollars."
terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,575
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,577
@1,022,571 (F)
I suppose there's a moral being in risk if that's what you think of him. It's just too bad, to feel like something so priceless is at risk must surely be a strain but are you sure it's necessary to see it that way?
I suppose there's a moral being in risk if that's what you think of him. It's just too bad, to feel like something so priceless is at risk must surely be a strain but are you sure it's necessary to see it that way?
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,579
@1,022,572 (I)
> Bernie as Pres:
>
> "If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 21dollars."
Disagree
If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 22 dollars, because you still owe me 1 dollar in interest. (Overhead)
> Bernie as Pres:
>
> "If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 21dollars."
Disagree
If I have 1 dollar and you have 20 dollars, I have 22 dollars, because you still owe me 1 dollar in interest. (Overhead)
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,590
@1,022,552 (terri !RwordOooFE)
> they weren't socialist either
It's weird how people try to claim national socialists weren't socialists. It's right there in the name. It was the most successful form of socialism ever implemented
> they weren't socialist either
It's weird how people try to claim national socialists weren't socialists. It's right there in the name. It was the most successful form of socialism ever implemented
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,592
@previous (K)
> It was the most successful form of socialism ever implemented
Wtf why is everyone acting like history was just a fluke
> It was the most successful form of socialism ever implemented
Wtf why is everyone acting like history was just a fluke
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,593
lol replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,595
@previous (L)
If Merrin can say he is a real priest then
> North Korea must be a democratic republic of the people! They say so!
If Merrin can say he is a real priest then
> North Korea must be a democratic republic of the people! They say so!
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,601
even socialists countries suck, there is no political panacea to the human condition. We have to return to our roots and live off the land in semi-feudal communitarian societies.
Abandon modern technology and revert to primitive pre-industrial revo technology and our QoL will greatly improve
Abandon modern technology and revert to primitive pre-industrial revo technology and our QoL will greatly improve
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,602
@1,022,512 (Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE)
WE NEED CORNISH INDEPENDENCE! MORE CAPITAL FOR THE CORNISH PEOPLE
WE NEED CORNISH INDEPENDENCE! MORE CAPITAL FOR THE CORNISH PEOPLE
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,603
lol replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,607
@1,022,601 (M)
Where I live sure everyday people are fishing and even catching the evening dinner. Some proficient enough to even offer me a portion of fresh Halibut. Me? Not so much good at fishing. Up the hill from me chickens run around free - Alas one cannot expect them to last very long if my neighbors are going after them and they are old chickens that will require hours to cook to make edible.
Also in just 5 minutes of drive there is much land growing all kinds of tomatoes and peppers and strawberries YET well not maybe enough to keep my village in fruit and veggies but not all that much in variety.
Where I live sure everyday people are fishing and even catching the evening dinner. Some proficient enough to even offer me a portion of fresh Halibut. Me? Not so much good at fishing. Up the hill from me chickens run around free - Alas one cannot expect them to last very long if my neighbors are going after them and they are old chickens that will require hours to cook to make edible.
Also in just 5 minutes of drive there is much land growing all kinds of tomatoes and peppers and strawberries YET well not maybe enough to keep my village in fruit and veggies but not all that much in variety.
Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,634
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@OP Sink or swim, fuckface. This is AMERICA.Anon X-1 replied with this 6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,643
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Anonymous I replied with this 6 years ago, 37 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,659
@1,022,607 (lol)
California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
California is failing horribly.
California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
California is failing horribly.
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Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,665
@previous (I)
> California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
> More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
> California is failing horribly.
Wrong
> California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
> More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
> California is failing horribly.
Wrong
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,666
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,670
Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,672
@previous (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
It does, but Newsome kind of sucks compared to Jerry Brown so we’ll see how long it lasts
It does, but Newsome kind of sucks compared to Jerry Brown so we’ll see how long it lasts
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,673
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Anonymous M double-posted this 6 years ago, 17 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,676
@1,022,673 (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
> You live in Cali? It is sort of a dream of mine to move there.
Yep I live not too far from Syntax
> You live in Cali? It is sort of a dream of mine to move there.
Yep I live not too far from Syntax
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,680
@previous (M)
Haha that stalker dude? Is your area nice? My fantasy is to live in LA. Everyone tells me it is terrible place to live, but man, I gotta find out. If not LA, then maybe a small town on the sea, something beautiful with great food and lots of intelligent liberal people.
Haha that stalker dude? Is your area nice? My fantasy is to live in LA. Everyone tells me it is terrible place to live, but man, I gotta find out. If not LA, then maybe a small town on the sea, something beautiful with great food and lots of intelligent liberal people.
Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,682
@previous (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
Yeah I live in a nice area, within walking distance to the beach. I would recommend against living in LA because it’s too crowded but they do have a great restaurant scene there.
Yeah I live in a nice area, within walking distance to the beach. I would recommend against living in LA because it’s too crowded but they do have a great restaurant scene there.
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,685
Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,686
Also lol at the angry fart claiming that California has “high property taxes”(Edited 13 seconds later.)
Anonymous M double-posted this 6 years ago, 33 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,687
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,696
@1,022,602 (N)
I quite enjoy how people here say this to me. Because I'm always on about Cornish independence, obviously. :')
I quite enjoy how people here say this to me. Because I'm always on about Cornish independence, obviously. :')
terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,699
@1,022,665 (M)
> > California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
> > More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
> > California is failing horribly.
>
> Wrong
@1,022,666 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> When was the last time you were in California?
but he's right. totally right. the state, especially the bay area, is fucked. it's insane. it happened so fast and it makes me sad
> > California is a shithole compared to what it was thirty years ago. It owes a fortune, real estate is over valued 1000 percent and that ain't because it's nice or on the cosst its because it's such a clusterfuck that they are desperate so they needed to Jack it up for the property taxes.
> > More illegal immigrants than anywhere and Los Angeles has more destitute bums than productive citizens just like sanfrancisco does and all of its streets are covered in human shit.
> > California is failing horribly.
>
> Wrong
@1,022,666 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> When was the last time you were in California?
but he's right. totally right. the state, especially the bay area, is fucked. it's insane. it happened so fast and it makes me sad
Anonymous I replied with this 6 years ago, 59 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,724
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Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,729
@1,022,724 (I)
@previous (I)
Your argument is still stupid because you act as if the state dictates the price of homes and not the real estate market
@previous (I)
Your argument is still stupid because you act as if the state dictates the price of homes and not the real estate market
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 6 years ago, 7 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,735
@1,022,699 (terri !RwordOooFE)
Oh yeah the bay area blows probably but it's not unsalvageable or anything.
Oh yeah the bay area blows probably but it's not unsalvageable or anything.
Killer Lettuce? !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,737
@1,022,699 (terri !RwordOooFE)
Most of the Americans I've met have been Californians. There are too many of you. Send some of the other ones abroad, for a change.
Most of the Americans I've met have been Californians. There are too many of you. Send some of the other ones abroad, for a change.
Anonymous M replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,738
@1,022,734 (I)
I’ll take the $900,000.00 home in California over the $100,000.00 home in Arkansas where the finest dining is Applebee’s and the funnest thing to do on the weekend is go to First Southern Baptist Church.
I’ll take the $900,000.00 home in California over the $100,000.00 home in Arkansas where the finest dining is Applebee’s and the funnest thing to do on the weekend is go to First Southern Baptist Church.
Anonymous F replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,739
@1,022,724 (I)> That's exactly why a $100,000 house costs $900,000 there.
> The more you know.
Here in Calif you get what you pay for. Walter lives in detroit and there you can move into a house almost at no cost. These come two for the price of one.
Syntax double-posted this 6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,742
@1,022,699 (terri !RwordOooFE)In for only a few seconds and now off to 24 hour fitness - You say and others say bay area is fucked and IF I had more tyme I wood get some more up2date info to prove you rong but take these numbers and ask why people flock to the bay area as tourists
How many tourists visit San Francisco annually?
Of the 25.1 million people who visited the city last year, 10.4 million were overnight visitors and 14.7 million visited for the day, with both figures increasing by 2.3 percent. Overnight visitors spent $7.77 billion (86.8 percent of all visitor spending), up 3.4 percent over the previous year.Jan 18, 2017
Of the 25.1 million people who visited the city last year, 10.4 million were overnight visitors and 14.7 million visited for the day, with both figures increasing by 2.3 percent. Overnight visitors spent $7.77 billion (86.8 percent of all visitor spending), up 3.4 percent over the previous year.Jan 18, 2017
Seems to me that $7.77 Billion bucks is well it's very nice and the taxes they paid and all the business owners sure made a nice profit on all of that
Anyway I waz born in this State and have worked and lived all over the world - Found places even in Siberia that were ok for a while - Australia some really nice places and terrific beaches - South of France just terrific - Could say lots of nice things about so many places and in theory I even own a chunk of an Island - Fucking French laws of inheritance have messed that up but still I could sell it and make a nice profit - Just going to leave that in my will
Anyway - I truly truly Love So Cal and Miss Big Basin Redwoods and Sierras and will visit again when I can
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terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,805
@previous (Syntax)
yeah because the tourist industry totally dictates whether or not a place is livable
yeah because the tourist industry totally dictates whether or not a place is livable
terri !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,833
@1,022,735 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Oh yeah the bay area blows probably but it's not unsalvageable or anything.
i hope not but i don't share your optimism!
> Oh yeah the bay area blows probably but it's not unsalvageable or anything.
i hope not but i don't share your optimism!
Syntax replied with this 6 years ago, 15 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,837
@1,022,805 (terri !RwordOooFE)
I think the point that is made is: People don't spend time and money on vacation in places not worth spending time in.
For instance when I worked n lived in Siberia, it was a city of one million people and NO ONE goes there as a tourist. Other than people like me on business and the few I met who were there to adopt Russian children, that was it. As someone who has visited San Francisco many many many times and Mirin county you no like Point Reys and Mill Valley - Just quality places to B
Sure in San Fran there is a seedy tenderloin district and one just avoids such places.
I think the point that is made is: People don't spend time and money on vacation in places not worth spending time in.
For instance when I worked n lived in Siberia, it was a city of one million people and NO ONE goes there as a tourist. Other than people like me on business and the few I met who were there to adopt Russian children, that was it. As someone who has visited San Francisco many many many times and Mirin county you no like Point Reys and Mill Valley - Just quality places to B
Sure in San Fran there is a seedy tenderloin district and one just avoids such places.
terri !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 16 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,842
@previous (Syntax)
i'm not saying it isn't a great place. i love the bay area. i love what san francisco used to be and still can be. its a great place to visit etc., but the cost of living and amount of displacement is outrageous. the homeless issue has gotten to the point where my hometown has loads of people just living on the street out of their RVs. nobody i know can afford a place without 3 or 4 roommates and it's only getting worse. it's sick
i'm not saying it isn't a great place. i love the bay area. i love what san francisco used to be and still can be. its a great place to visit etc., but the cost of living and amount of displacement is outrageous. the homeless issue has gotten to the point where my hometown has loads of people just living on the street out of their RVs. nobody i know can afford a place without 3 or 4 roommates and it's only getting worse. it's sick
terri !RwordOooFE double-posted this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,844
Syntax replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,848
@previous (terri !RwordOooFE)> nobody i know can afford a place
Does cum down to supply and demand - For instance this house is currently on the market just up the hill from me. Has NO ocean view or any view for that matter.
Just a few dollars under $3 Million and of course, in say somewhere away from coast of Oregon this house is worth maybe $95,000 in todays market yet back when it was built it probably sold for $25,000
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Anonymous I replied with this 6 years ago, 43 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,022,860
A 15 min drive!