Dark !HLa610O9S2 joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later[^][v]#1,019,007
lol they are not Emo in any sense of the word
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,016
@previous (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
What do you think of the whole emo genre? What do you think defines it?
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 5 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,043
@previous (C)
Emo and Goth are counterculture philosophies emphasizing the futility and misery of life.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,102
They are emo you just aren’t “with it” anymore
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 12 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,471
@1,019,043 (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
What do you think differentiates emo and goth? Is it just someone's level of emotional involvement in the realization of life's futility and pointlessness? Like emo suggests a real emotional reaction to idea while goth is just a detached acknowledgment that nothing matters? Certainly both subcultures are, in some way, reactions to life. What do see the fine-grained differences as being?
Dark !HLa610O9S2 joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,474
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My opinion, Goth was truly subversive and counterculture, a holdover from punk. That's why you can hear punk in early Cure music (Plastic Passion), for example. Emo is more based on sadness and emotion. Goth had sadness and nihilism too like Emo, but Goth also had an anger toward authority that Emo lacks. Just my opinion.
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 25 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,019,476
@previous (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
I think you're probably right about some elements of the goth counterculture being a holdover from punk. What do you think of the emotional nature in later Cure music (after Disintigration or Wish maybe)? We move from bleak, ponderous tracks like A Forest and All Cats Are Grey to pretty emotional outpourings like Pictures of You or Friday I'm in Love. Do you think they constitute different genres or just changing trends in the subculture at large?
Dark !HLa610O9S2 replied with this 6 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,019,478
@previous (C)
I guess Cure became more Emo. Listen to their song Plastic Passion and you will definitely hear the punk.
Dark !HLa610O9S2 double-posted this 6 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,019,479
Anonymous C replied with this 6 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,019,486
@previous (Dark !HLa610O9S2)
I certainly hear the punk. You're right.
The tail-end of the 70s was a time when punk had already gained a good amount of popularity and started influencing other music. Some would say that by 78-79 it had already peaked and splintered. I don't know enough about the band (or early punk) to know whether The Cure were just borrowing sound that was popular at the time or if they were more deeply influenced by what was going on in the punk scene where they were. But you're right it's certainly there, and some of that disregard for the mainstream that was part of punk's appeal did carry over into goth to reemerge as a more calm and collected version of the same disdain for normalcy.
Dark !xAoEWx.Z/Y replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,019,491