Topic: Entitled Murkin reporters making the moment all about them
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 years ago #88,386
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #1,011,000
Can you imagine Bernie in Trumps place?
Or any of the Democrats for that matter.
That would be so embarassing
Or any of the Democrats for that matter.
That would be so embarassing
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terri !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,024
i haven't seen so many YouTubers agree on anything like... ever
scary
scary
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,079
It looks like Trump wins again!
q. joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,193
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,194
It's called diplomacy and is a historic event
Bilbo !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,196
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,197
@previous (Bilbo !RwordOooFE)
Hasn't this president hit them with tighter sanctions? In what ways does this appeasement manifest itself?
Hasn't this president hit them with tighter sanctions? In what ways does this appeasement manifest itself?
Bilbo !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,198
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Apart from how they've gone from threatening to nuke each other to exchanging love letters?
Apart from how they've gone from threatening to nuke each other to exchanging love letters?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,200
@1,011,193 (q.)
Nonsense. People said the same sort of thing when Reagan used to meet with Gorbachev. Détente works. Cold wars do not.
Nonsense. People said the same sort of thing when Reagan used to meet with Gorbachev. Détente works. Cold wars do not.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,268
Bilbo !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 41 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,269
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,273
@previous (Bilbo !RwordOooFE)
What did the appeasement do? How do you know it worked? If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations
What did the appeasement do? How do you know it worked? If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations
Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 53 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,296
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It would be a peace prize!
Meanwhile, Obama hangs his peace prize next to his kill list.
It would be a peace prize!
Meanwhile, Obama hangs his peace prize next to his kill list.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 26 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,308
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,343
@1,011,200 (A)
Reagan actually wasn't a big fan of détente until later in his administration. He started out widely praised by hawks for an aggressive stance and "calling the Soviets' bluff" early on in his presidency. It's hard to compare it with the current situation because Reagan's eventual embrace of relations actually accomplished something.
@1,011,273 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The problem is his policy is schizophrenic, and he has nothing to show for it. He pulls some US troops back in return for vague promises of denuclearization. Two weeks after Trump declares that North Korea isn't any longer a nuclear threat, he issues an executive order calling for sanctions due to them being a nuclear threat. They send us some soldiers remains and a bill, we halt them sending any more Korean war remains. Talks break down suddenly months later. Now we're having impromptu handshake sessions. It could be détente if we were actually easing relations instead of having nervous photo ops. It could be historic diplomacy if there was anything to show for it. Diplomatic solutions are about compromise, not one side being jollied along continuously while tweeting about how great it all is.
> If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations
No. Our last president considered meeting with Kim, and it wasn't called that at all.
Reagan actually wasn't a big fan of détente until later in his administration. He started out widely praised by hawks for an aggressive stance and "calling the Soviets' bluff" early on in his presidency. It's hard to compare it with the current situation because Reagan's eventual embrace of relations actually accomplished something.
@1,011,273 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The problem is his policy is schizophrenic, and he has nothing to show for it. He pulls some US troops back in return for vague promises of denuclearization. Two weeks after Trump declares that North Korea isn't any longer a nuclear threat, he issues an executive order calling for sanctions due to them being a nuclear threat. They send us some soldiers remains and a bill, we halt them sending any more Korean war remains. Talks break down suddenly months later. Now we're having impromptu handshake sessions. It could be détente if we were actually easing relations instead of having nervous photo ops. It could be historic diplomacy if there was anything to show for it. Diplomatic solutions are about compromise, not one side being jollied along continuously while tweeting about how great it all is.
> If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations
No. Our last president considered meeting with Kim, and it wasn't called that at all.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,418
@previous (H)
> Reagan actually wasn't a big fan of détente until later in his administration. He started out widely praised by hawks for an aggressive stance and "calling the Soviets' bluff" early on in his presidency. It's hard to compare it with the current situation because Reagan's eventual embrace of relations actually accomplished something.
Yes, the point is he figured that out, eventually. Is it not a good idea then to adopt this wisdom? Isn't it more likely that using the same sort of tactics with NK might also accomplish something, or is the ongoing feud more productive?
> Reagan actually wasn't a big fan of détente until later in his administration. He started out widely praised by hawks for an aggressive stance and "calling the Soviets' bluff" early on in his presidency. It's hard to compare it with the current situation because Reagan's eventual embrace of relations actually accomplished something.
Yes, the point is he figured that out, eventually. Is it not a good idea then to adopt this wisdom? Isn't it more likely that using the same sort of tactics with NK might also accomplish something, or is the ongoing feud more productive?
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,419
@1,011,343 (H)
If Obammy would have went over there he'd have come back walking funny for a week..
If Obammy would have went over there he'd have come back walking funny for a week..
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,421
@1,011,343 (H)
Considering doing something isn't the same as actually committing the act.
I feel as though this is a step in the right direction. And one that past presidents haven't risked
Considering doing something isn't the same as actually committing the act.
I feel as though this is a step in the right direction. And one that past presidents haven't risked
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,669
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Right, but I'm addressing your statement that "If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations" here. It certainly wasn't considered that when Obama raised the idea. If a President Bernie or Ted Cruz had stumbled into this mess, I can easily see the same criticisms being leveled at them. I can't imagine former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pursuing the kind of policy Trump has, but if she had I'm sure there would be plenty of people lining up to criticize her about it. So no, I don't buy the idea that it would be different for any other US President.
It wasn't any different in the past when people criticized Obama for floating the idea. It wasn't different for Jimmy Carter (then a former president) meeting with Kim's father and then ruler Kim Il Sung about the same denuclearization issue in 94'. Carter was also roundly criticized for legitimizing a dictator. I can't imagine how it would be any different for any other candidate who had won in 2016 either. Trump isn't special in this regard, and the people criticizing him aren't just being mean because it's Donald Trump. They are actually saying the same things that people have been saying about North Korea for ages.
Right, but I'm addressing your statement that "If this were a different president, it would be seen as global relations" here. It certainly wasn't considered that when Obama raised the idea. If a President Bernie or Ted Cruz had stumbled into this mess, I can easily see the same criticisms being leveled at them. I can't imagine former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pursuing the kind of policy Trump has, but if she had I'm sure there would be plenty of people lining up to criticize her about it. So no, I don't buy the idea that it would be different for any other US President.
It wasn't any different in the past when people criticized Obama for floating the idea. It wasn't different for Jimmy Carter (then a former president) meeting with Kim's father and then ruler Kim Il Sung about the same denuclearization issue in 94'. Carter was also roundly criticized for legitimizing a dictator. I can't imagine how it would be any different for any other candidate who had won in 2016 either. Trump isn't special in this regard, and the people criticizing him aren't just being mean because it's Donald Trump. They are actually saying the same things that people have been saying about North Korea for ages.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,718
@previous (H)
I'd say Carter's approach was hugely different to Trump's, and more along the lines of say Pierre Trudeau's pandering to Ceausescu of Romania. He also played a big part in empowering African communist dictators like Robert Mugabe for example, with devastating results.
I'd say Carter's approach was hugely different to Trump's, and more along the lines of say Pierre Trudeau's pandering to Ceausescu of Romania. He also played a big part in empowering African communist dictators like Robert Mugabe for example, with devastating results.
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,913
@previous (A)
Carter said of the North Korean leader, "What he wants is my respect. And I am going to give it to him." They didn't exchange love letters or anything, but I feel like you could draw pretty apt comparisons between the charm offensives of the two men. Carter pointed to his diplomacy as instrumental to the 1994 Agreed Framework denuclearization agreement and the release of Aijalon Gomes, an American held by DPRK authorities in much the same way that Trump touts his 2018 agreement and the release of Otto Warmbier.
Carter said of the North Korean leader, "What he wants is my respect. And I am going to give it to him." They didn't exchange love letters or anything, but I feel like you could draw pretty apt comparisons between the charm offensives of the two men. Carter pointed to his diplomacy as instrumental to the 1994 Agreed Framework denuclearization agreement and the release of Aijalon Gomes, an American held by DPRK authorities in much the same way that Trump touts his 2018 agreement and the release of Otto Warmbier.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 29 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,935
Theres a a vid out now of Carter saying the Russians helped Trump win the election..
Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,948
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q. replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,011,979
@1,011,200 (A)
thats nice, except this president is kind of full of shit, so you cant tell if his actions are remotely gonna accomplish anything. duh.
thats nice, except this president is kind of full of shit, so you cant tell if his actions are remotely gonna accomplish anything. duh.
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,012,018
None of the Dumbocrats are fit to tie Trump Daddys shoes on foreign policy and ALL the Dem candidates just stood on video a few days ago. and said they
are for open borders AND covering every illegal with full health care..
I guess you arent to smart..
are for open borders AND covering every illegal with full health care..
I guess you arent to smart..
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Bilbo !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,012,075
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Bilbo !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,012,089
@previous (B)
So in one hand my mom is a goat
And in the other hand you fucked my mom
So this makes you a goatfucker
You goatfucker
So in one hand my mom is a goat
And in the other hand you fucked my mom
So this makes you a goatfucker
You goatfucker
Anonymous B replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,012,090
@previous (Bilbo !RwordOooFE)
It's been enough generations that she was passable for a womman...in the dark..
Thank God no pics were taken..
It's been enough generations that she was passable for a womman...in the dark..
Thank God no pics were taken..
Bilbo !RwordOooFE replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,012,129
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@previous (Bilbo !RwordOooFE)
You mom is a one woman gang...and yes it felt like rape as she took what she wanted and left me quivering and empty of all my seed..
You mom is a one woman gang...and yes it felt like rape as she took what she wanted and left me quivering and empty of all my seed..
