Topic: Vatican issues guidance questioning modern gender identity
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U started this discussion 6 years ago #87,706
Notably it criticises the modern understanding of gender as being more complex than the binary division of sexes.
It says current theories "move away from nature" and instead "towards an absolute option for the decision of the feelings of the human subject".
It also says moveable sexual identities are "often founded on nothing more than a confused concept of freedom in the realm of feelings and wants".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48584892
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word" -
Ephesians 5:22-23
It says current theories "move away from nature" and instead "towards an absolute option for the decision of the feelings of the human subject".
It also says moveable sexual identities are "often founded on nothing more than a confused concept of freedom in the realm of feelings and wants".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48584892
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word" -
Ephesians 5:22-23
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #1,003,484
TG STOP FUCKING UP CHILDREN. You're a disgusting PEDOPHILE.Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 39 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,494
@previous (B)
> TG STOP F*CKING UP CHILDREN. You're a disgusting PEDOPHILE.
Peace, child. Calm yourself.
> TG STOP F*CKING UP CHILDREN. You're a disgusting PEDOPHILE.
Peace, child. Calm yourself.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,495
who is vatican? is he a republican?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,503
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Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,511
@1,003,503 (D)
An international human trafficking and pedocunt advocacy organization based in Rome, Italy.
An international human trafficking and pedocunt advocacy organization based in Rome, Italy.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,513
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,514
Nothing like being councelled about marriage and sex from from a bunch of men who have sworn off both of those things. Real expert testimony going on here.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,532
@1,003,514 (E)
> Nothing like being councelled (sic) about marriage and sex
The article is about gender, not marriage and sex. My advice is to read things before forming an opinion. Take my blessings.
> Nothing like being councelled (sic) about marriage and sex
The article is about gender, not marriage and sex. My advice is to read things before forming an opinion. Take my blessings.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 39 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,533
@1,003,519 (F)
> mother f*cking pedophile.
Nice paradox. Also, calm yourself my child.
> mother f*cking pedophile.
Nice paradox. Also, calm yourself my child.
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Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,538
@1,003,532 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
It specifically mentions sex and marriage as being important to their definition of gender roles. They both condemn "a plurality of new types of unions" that don't fit into their model and talk up "sexual union in marriage" as the culmination of a proper upbringing. I'm not sure how you think how they would avoid the topics of sex and marriage while discussing gender, but you might want to take your own advice about reading things first.
It specifically mentions sex and marriage as being important to their definition of gender roles. They both condemn "a plurality of new types of unions" that don't fit into their model and talk up "sexual union in marriage" as the culmination of a proper upbringing. I'm not sure how you think how they would avoid the topics of sex and marriage while discussing gender, but you might want to take your own advice about reading things first.
Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 26 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,544
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,578
@1,003,538 (E)
> It specifically mentions sex and marriage as being important to their definition of gender roles.
What are you talking about? There's nothing about that in the link.
> and talk up "sexual union in marriage" as the culmination of a proper upbringing.
Where is that quote in the article?
> It specifically mentions sex and marriage as being important to their definition of gender roles.
What are you talking about? There's nothing about that in the link.
> and talk up "sexual union in marriage" as the culmination of a proper upbringing.
Where is that quote in the article?
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,658
@previous (G)
> What are you talking about?
The BBC story linked begins: "The 31-page teaching guidance, released on Monday, is titled Male and Female He Created Them."
> Where is that quote in the article?
It's in 54 under "Conclusions". I'm referencing the document, not the BBC story about it.
> What are you talking about?
The BBC story linked begins: "The 31-page teaching guidance, released on Monday, is titled Male and Female He Created Them."
> Where is that quote in the article?
It's in 54 under "Conclusions". I'm referencing the document, not the BBC story about it.
Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,740
@previous (E)
> > Where is that quote in the article?
> It's in 54 under "Conclusions". I'm referencing the document, not the BBC story about it.
Link to it please because I can't find what you're talking about.
> > Where is that quote in the article?
> It's in 54 under "Conclusions". I'm referencing the document, not the BBC story about it.
Link to it please because I can't find what you're talking about.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,003,985
@previous (G)
Notice how Anon E ran away when asked to give a citation for his claim. That's because he made it up.
Notice how Anon E ran away when asked to give a citation for his claim. That's because he made it up.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,001
@1,003,740 (G)
Here it is
http://www.educatio.va/content/dam/cec/Documenti/19_0997_INGLESE.pdf
The parts I cited are on pages 9 and 30 as numbered in the document, but you should really read the whole thing for context.
Here it is
http://www.educatio.va/content/dam/cec/Documenti/19_0997_INGLESE.pdf
The parts I cited are on pages 9 and 30 as numbered in the document, but you should really read the whole thing for context.
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Anonymous G replied with this 6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,022
@1,004,001 (E)
> Here it is
> http://www.educatio.va/content/dam/cec/Documenti/19_0997_INGLESE.pdf
>
> The parts I cited are on pages 9 and 30
Page 30 of a 28-page document?
Why have you been lying about this? What was the point?
> Here it is
> http://www.educatio.va/content/dam/cec/Documenti/19_0997_INGLESE.pdf
>
> The parts I cited are on pages 9 and 30
Page 30 of a 28-page document?
Why have you been lying about this? What was the point?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,100
@previous (G)
Open it. It's 31 pages, but a few are omitted, so it's really only 28. Go to the page numbered 30.
Open it. It's 31 pages, but a few are omitted, so it's really only 28. Go to the page numbered 30.
Anonymous E replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,101
@1,004,022 (G)
The BBC story linked begins: "The 31-page teaching guidance, released on Monday, is titled Male and Female He Created Them."
The BBC story linked begins: "The 31-page teaching guidance, released on Monday, is titled Male and Female He Created Them."
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 17 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,351
@1,004,021 (D)
> Your shtick is made up
Shtick is by definition made up. But in my case, there is no shtick. I really am a priest.
> Your shtick is made up
Shtick is by definition made up. But in my case, there is no shtick. I really am a priest.
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Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,365
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
You are one fucking creepy piece of shit. Can't wait to see what happens when you get outed you fucking freak.
You are one fucking creepy piece of shit. Can't wait to see what happens when you get outed you fucking freak.
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,368
@1,004,351 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> I really am a priest.
Repeating this statement over and over does not validate your claim.
> I really am a priest.
Repeating this statement over and over does not validate your claim.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,370
@1,004,365 (D)
> You are one f*cking creepy piece of sh*t. Can't wait to see what happens when you get outed you f*cking freak.
Take a deep breath, child. This anger you have inside you isn't good for your health.
> You are one f*cking creepy piece of sh*t. Can't wait to see what happens when you get outed you f*cking freak.
Take a deep breath, child. This anger you have inside you isn't good for your health.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 29 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,371
@1,004,368 (H)
> >I really am a priest.
>
> Repeating this statement over and over does not validate your claim.
As repeating the opposite doesn't invalidate it.
> >I really am a priest.
>
> Repeating this statement over and over does not validate your claim.
As repeating the opposite doesn't invalidate it.
Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,373
@1,004,370 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
The fucking baseball bat in your skull won't be good for your health if you talk shit to my fucking face, pervert.
The fucking baseball bat in your skull won't be good for your health if you talk shit to my fucking face, pervert.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,374
@previous (D)
> The f*cking baseball bat in your skull won't be good for your health if you talk sh*t to my f*cking face, pervert.
I adore you :))))
> The f*cking baseball bat in your skull won't be good for your health if you talk sh*t to my f*cking face, pervert.
I adore you :))))
Anonymous D replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,375
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,376
@previous (D)
> You adore jacking off to little kids, sicko.
No, I adore you :)))) You're so delightfully spirited!
> You adore jacking off to little kids, sicko.
No, I adore you :)))) You're so delightfully spirited!
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,377
Anonymous H double-posted this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,378
@1,004,376 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Leave children alone TG. You Catholics have done enough damage to the children.
Leave children alone TG. You Catholics have done enough damage to the children.
Ananthanarayanan M R joined in and replied with this 6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,383
@1,004,376 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Please use the cite function instead of quoting the whole post. Thank you.
Please use the cite function instead of quoting the whole post. Thank you.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,388
@previous (Ananthanarayanan M R)
> Please use the cite function instead of quoting the whole post.
No :)
> Please use the cite function instead of quoting the whole post.
No :)
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,389
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) triple-posted this 6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,390
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> children...children....
You seem fixated. Is there something you would like to confess to me?
> children...children....
You seem fixated. Is there something you would like to confess to me?
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Ananthanarayanan M R double-posted this 6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,394
That's not "an exact quote".
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,395
@1,004,393 (Ananthanarayanan M R)
> Why are you trying to "teach me lessons"
Because you need to be taught.
> Why are you trying to "teach me lessons"
Because you need to be taught.
Anonymous H replied with this 6 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,396
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> > Why are you trying to "teach me lessons"
>
> Because you need to be taught.
Are you going to bend him over your knee and spank him before you sexually assault him?
> > Why are you trying to "teach me lessons"
>
> Because you need to be taught.
Are you going to bend him over your knee and spank him before you sexually assault him?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,004,398
@previous (H)
> Are you going to bend him over your knee and spank him before you sexually assault him?
Seek help my child. These fantasies of yours are not healthy.
> Are you going to bend him over your knee and spank him before you sexually assault him?
Seek help my child. These fantasies of yours are not healthy.