Topic: Psychedelics the origin of all religious experiences?
!JuMPb0dbaE started this discussion 15 years ago #8,670
Latest Joe Rogan Experience podcast goes into this.
Anyone know anything about this? It's really fascinating. Jesus may have been mushrooms. It makes sense. You do get really introspective on shrooms. I could see people becoming more compassionate after. I know that happens from psychedelic trips.
It explains why the catholic church is not a good moral institution now despite having such a liberal and accepting foundation. They aren't shrooming anymore.
Anyone know anything about this? It's really fascinating. Jesus may have been mushrooms. It makes sense. You do get really introspective on shrooms. I could see people becoming more compassionate after. I know that happens from psychedelic trips.
It explains why the catholic church is not a good moral institution now despite having such a liberal and accepting foundation. They aren't shrooming anymore.
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RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #152,451
No.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,457
a lot of cultures and religions have been based on drugs and the shared experiences they can bring when taken ritualistically. Christianity and Catholicism probably weren't such religions, but there are always christfags who get high on shrooms or acid and claim to see God, so it could be a good tool for those churches to use, instead of all the moral bullshit they are currently cramming down peoples throats.
!JuMPb0dbaE (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,458
@152,451 (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
Its really interesting.
He (Joe rogan) also talks about meeting a guy at a party and feeling how there was something off about him. He heard he was arrested and instantly guessed it was because he was a pedophile. It scared me.
For pedophiles. I am not one of course. That was all trolling.
Its really interesting.
He (Joe rogan) also talks about meeting a guy at a party and feeling how there was something off about him. He heard he was arrested and instantly guessed it was because he was a pedophile. It scared me.
For pedophiles. I am not one of course. That was all trolling.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,462
@previous (!JuMPb0dbaE)
What kind of loser pretends to be a pedophile? Lying to people isn't trolling.
What kind of loser pretends to be a pedophile? Lying to people isn't trolling.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,465
Datura Meteloides Lots of it around this part of So Cal n currently in bloomWiki cutapasta
Religious
Datura wrightii is sacred to some native Americans and has been used in ceremonies and rites of passage by Chumash, Tongva, and others. Among the Chumash, when a boy was 8 years old, his mother gave him a preparation of momoy to drink. This was supposed to be a spiritual challenge to the boy to help him develop the spiritual wellbeing that is required to become a man. Not all of the boys survived.[1] They believed momoy was a spiritual plant that helps with spiritual wellbeing among adults also. For instance, during a frightening situation, such as when seeing a coyote walk like a man, a leaf of momoy was sucked to help keep the soul in the body. The plant was also used to tell the future, especially when gambling.
Recreational
Datura wrightii can also be used to induce a recreational hallucination. The plant can induce auditory and visual hallucinations similar to those of Datura stramonium. However, the hallucinations are sometimes fatal due to panic that overcomes the person. Scopolamine in the plant takes away a person's vision.[citation needed] As the person panics and attempts to run to safety, the person cannot see, frequently becomes involved in an accident and ends up in the hospital. Scopolamine induces respiratory depression at hallucinogenic doses. The combination of anesthesia (in the hospital) and Datura is usually fatal due to combined respiratory depression.[1] Seizures and fevers as high as 43 C (110°F) have been reported.
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Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,466
@previous (Syntax)
> I have nothing to contribute, so i shall copypaste a random wikipedia article!
great post, mate!
> I have nothing to contribute, so i shall copypaste a random wikipedia article!
great post, mate!
hamfist !!mtq555+/1 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,467
The Salem girls may have been under the influence of opiates
Syntax replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,469
@152,466 (C)
ah shoot well i have far more to say about what I put up. Have a background in history n use by original people and Carlos Castaneda - - The Teachings of Don Juan and other famous books of his tyme used this plant for "Flying"
Deal is eye r about to board a plane to Argentina so not much tyme to irradicate more on all of this as eye soon will b flying meself
ah shoot well i have far more to say about what I put up. Have a background in history n use by original people and Carlos Castaneda - - The Teachings of Don Juan and other famous books of his tyme used this plant for "Flying"
Deal is eye r about to board a plane to Argentina so not much tyme to irradicate more on all of this as eye soon will b flying meself
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #152,471
sup? just cruisin' along broprotip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #152,507
@152,466 (C)
> >I have nothing to contribute, so i shall copypaste a random wikipedia article!
>
> great post, mate!
lolthis
> >I have nothing to contribute, so i shall copypaste a random wikipedia article!
>
> great post, mate!
lolthis
!JuMPb0dbaE (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #152,508
Some jehova's witnesses came by when I was high as fuck. I didn't hear them knock. I would have invited them in. That would have been very interesting.
@152,467 (hamfist !!mtq555+/1)
They talked about this on the joe rogan podcast. They all might have been tripping fucking balls. I've been meaning to ask a certain witch expert.
@152,467 (hamfist !!mtq555+/1)
They talked about this on the joe rogan podcast. They all might have been tripping fucking balls. I've been meaning to ask a certain witch expert.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,517
Some men may have been inspired by psychadelic mushrooms (John of Patmos springs to mind) but to say "all" is a little extreme.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,601
I've had some pretty intense experiences on shrooms, I would not be surprised if they were involved at some point.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,806
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,811
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,825
@152,517 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
this
I think saying "all" is a little overblown. Although, there do seem to be some interesting links. That dissolution of boundaries between individuals and objects and the sense of "oneness" with everything felt during a psychedelic experience closely mirrors some people's religious experiences. Whether drugs, meditation, fasting, mental illness, or just plain wishing ends up being what triggers it, it is reasonable to think that some thought processes and brain activity are common to both experiences.
this
I think saying "all" is a little overblown. Although, there do seem to be some interesting links. That dissolution of boundaries between individuals and objects and the sense of "oneness" with everything felt during a psychedelic experience closely mirrors some people's religious experiences. Whether drugs, meditation, fasting, mental illness, or just plain wishing ends up being what triggers it, it is reasonable to think that some thought processes and brain activity are common to both experiences.
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,836
I wish some of you lived around here, you'd be surprised how hard it is to put together organized tripping experiences with decent people. Shockingly, not that many people want to trip, fucking faggots.
grey !C.MxxuCiTo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #152,840
Maybe!
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #153,036
@152,811 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
> all
You would have to be simple to believe that all religious experience is from psychedelics.
> all
You would have to be simple to believe that all religious experience is from psychedelics.
!JuMPb0dbaE (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #153,075
@152,517 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You're right. I misspoke. Islam is the result of a Duse having seizures. The orer religious experiences likely originate in the use of psychedelics.
You're right. I misspoke. Islam is the result of a Duse having seizures. The orer religious experiences likely originate in the use of psychedelics.
!JuMPb0dbaE (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #153,076
@152,836 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
They have been slandered quite a bit.
The guest on the Joe Rogan Experience made a good point that changing people's opinions about the use of psychedelics had to begin with teaching people to think critically.
This is the problem with religion in the US. It is actively seeking to limit education. The religious fear nothing worse than knowledge, except maybe death (ironic given their belief in an afterlife). The minute you start to educate a devout religious person, they start to go insane. Look at how erratic MM's post get for a week or so after I make more than a laughingly casual attempt to educate him on the many failings of religion. He goes crazy. I can't post anything without him making some crazy off-topic comment. Ive never seen such rage and terror.
Eventually though, people will begin to awake from their religious stupors. Those unable to deal with the concequences of thinking critically will be at great risk for suicide. I think someone should be watching MM. I worry for him.
They have been slandered quite a bit.
The guest on the Joe Rogan Experience made a good point that changing people's opinions about the use of psychedelics had to begin with teaching people to think critically.
This is the problem with religion in the US. It is actively seeking to limit education. The religious fear nothing worse than knowledge, except maybe death (ironic given their belief in an afterlife). The minute you start to educate a devout religious person, they start to go insane. Look at how erratic MM's post get for a week or so after I make more than a laughingly casual attempt to educate him on the many failings of religion. He goes crazy. I can't post anything without him making some crazy off-topic comment. Ive never seen such rage and terror.
Eventually though, people will begin to awake from their religious stupors. Those unable to deal with the concequences of thinking critically will be at great risk for suicide. I think someone should be watching MM. I worry for him.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #153,079
@previous (!JuMPb0dbaE)
You're right about his delusions, and I'm not making light of it, its sad in way.
You're right about his delusions, and I'm not making light of it, its sad in way.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #153,089
@153,076 (!JuMPb0dbaE)
> This is the problem with religion in the US. It is actively seeking to limit education.
Anthropomorphizing an idea? You are worse than I though.
> The religious fear nothing worse than knowledge, except maybe death (ironic given their belief in an afterlife).
I have already explained this to you, yet you repeat these same falsehoods.
> The minute you start to educate a devout religious person, they start to go insane. Look at how erratic MM's post get for a week or so after I make more than a laughingly casual attempt to educate him on the many failings of religion.
By educate I take it you mean randomly call people crazy and then flip out into an aspie rage when asked to explain why you called them crazy?
> He goes crazy. I can't post anything without him making some crazy off-topic comment. Ive never seen such rage and terror.
There it is. I was wondering when you were going to call me crazy. Again I ask: What do I do or say that you consider crazy?
> Eventually though, people will begin to awake from their religious stupors. Those unable to deal with the concequences of thinking critically will be at great risk for suicide. I think someone should be watching MM. I worry for him.
I have actually deliberately and critically considered my political and religious views and have decided upon this path as the best. You, however, have no philosophy - every issue, every action is decidedly randomly.
> This is the problem with religion in the US. It is actively seeking to limit education.
Anthropomorphizing an idea? You are worse than I though.
> The religious fear nothing worse than knowledge, except maybe death (ironic given their belief in an afterlife).
I have already explained this to you, yet you repeat these same falsehoods.
> The minute you start to educate a devout religious person, they start to go insane. Look at how erratic MM's post get for a week or so after I make more than a laughingly casual attempt to educate him on the many failings of religion.
By educate I take it you mean randomly call people crazy and then flip out into an aspie rage when asked to explain why you called them crazy?
> He goes crazy. I can't post anything without him making some crazy off-topic comment. Ive never seen such rage and terror.
There it is. I was wondering when you were going to call me crazy. Again I ask: What do I do or say that you consider crazy?
> Eventually though, people will begin to awake from their religious stupors. Those unable to deal with the concequences of thinking critically will be at great risk for suicide. I think someone should be watching MM. I worry for him.
I have actually deliberately and critically considered my political and religious views and have decided upon this path as the best. You, however, have no philosophy - every issue, every action is decidedly randomly.