Topic: people who make AI know that it is really "simulated intelligence" but media idiots get fooled by th
Sheila LaBoof started this discussion 7 years ago#86,294
the term artificial intelligence and believe that the software is somehow actually has an intellect. Then they extrapolate their misunderstanding and imagine that the software somehow has the power of judgement and will then fucking kill us or some shit like that
it's called science fiction because it is fiction, fuckos
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later[^][v]#988,364
Thanks Shelia
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^][v]#988,365
you are welcome
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#988,436
Unless I know how many bolts and widgets went into making the AI Computer and how many subroutines it runs, then it's not real science fiction. Go hard or go home.
Mrs.Kate Gerard joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 14 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#988,596
isnt judging things what ai mainly does
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 53 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#988,630
@previous (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
no. there is no intellect there.
Mrs.Kate Gerard replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,663
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
If it's learning it has an intellect. Thanks.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,676
@previous (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
it is not learning. Learning is a word that applies to beings with intellect. In engineering terms, the word learning is being used metaphorically. It is simulated learning. We should be careful not to confuse metaphor with what is actually there or not there.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,677
We can apply the learning metaphor to simpler organisms in their aggregate across generations: the evolutionary product of bacteria being selected for resistance to antibiotics. No bacterium has learned anything in any literal sense of the word.
Ben Johnson joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,802
Mrs.Kate Gerard replied with this 7 years ago, 37 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,805
@988,676 (Sheila LaBoof)
ok so it has no intellect because its not learning and its not learning because it has no intellect. thanks.
Mrs.Kate Gerard double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,806
@988,677 (Sheila LaBoof)
an ai might have trouble at the moment with abstract ideas about humankind or what not but it can definitely learn more than a bacterium
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,814
@988,805 (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
no, you are the one who put a false direction in the first place. I merely pointed out which is necessary for which.
@previous (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
metaphorically learn, but there is no mind there, there are no ideas there
Mrs.Kate Gerard replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,822
yes there are! ai creates ideas about whatever the developer sets it to create ideas about
Mrs.Kate Gerard double-posted this 7 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,823
i dont mean that it actually works like a human brain though
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,832
@988,822 (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
they aren't ideas until a real intellect is pondering them
Mrs.Kate Gerard replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,836
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
so what makes an intellect real? you seem to think it's only intellect if it's human.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,841
@previous (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
we don't know how biological brains produce awareness. we experience it but don't understand it. maybe it will never be known. so I have no answer.
Mrs.Kate Gerard replied with this 7 years ago, 35 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,851
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
here is an intriguing story about ai
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,891
@988,841 (Sheila LaBoof)
It's unreal how we can make real, biological brains just reproduce messages. We can make bots just say the same thing until actual people think it is a real thing. If you just shove bullshit at them enough, they start to think it's reality. It's weird how that works. :/
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,982
yeah it's something peculiar. that reminds me of being on eBay forums some time ago, and people were so fucking unfriendly and saying very stupid shit and it was all very similar very stupid shit. it was really tiresome to look up information to know what they were talking about and see what part they got wrong or just left right out to be really dishonest and misleading. it took some years, but I figured out that these eBay forums dipshits must have been watching the same bullshit political commentator and taking it as truth and were preaching it on eBay forums. people themselves become willingly botlike.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#988,985
@988,851 (Mrs.Kate Gerard)
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