Topic: Good news American tax payer
started this discussion 7 years ago #85,939
Now Israel is sending rockets to the moon to the value of 100s of millions of dollars that should mean your tax dollars will no longer be required to fund their military. R r right?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 34 seconds later[^] [v] #984,486
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #984,487
The Ferengi are the true Space Jews.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,516
Some Democrats think we should mail much more than that to blacks who have been living in the projects on welfare for 25 years..
Kamala Harris wants to give them tax credits of 500 dollars a month (6000 a year) ...that's a 'tax refund check for not working at all'...for Reparations because someone in their family was a slave 500 years ago..
Kamala Harris wants to give them tax credits of 500 dollars a month (6000 a year) ...that's a 'tax refund check for not working at all'...for Reparations because someone in their family was a slave 500 years ago..
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 26 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,518
@previous (D)
My favorite part of the reparations debate is how every ten years people add 100 years into how long ago slavery was. 1865 was 500 years ago people.
My favorite part of the reparations debate is how every ten years people add 100 years into how long ago slavery was. 1865 was 500 years ago people.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,519
Tell them to stop doing 3/4 of the crime...then we can talk..
They should pay reparations for the costs associated with THAT..
They should pay reparations for the costs associated with THAT..
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 38 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,523
How to prove it? I have a slave ancestor, but I look whitish.
Anonymous F double-posted this 7 years ago, 31 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,524
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,527
@previous (F)
I know, I just find the conservative theory of the case funny.
I know, I just find the conservative theory of the case funny.
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Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,528
@984,523 (F)
Great point..
Every single black would run up and cut in line while hollering 'Gimmee mines!!'
Great point..
Every single black would run up and cut in line while hollering 'Gimmee mines!!'
Anonymous D double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,529
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,531
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,534
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You'll have to excuse Bert, he has trouble retaining the dark spots in American history.
You'll have to excuse Bert, he has trouble retaining the dark spots in American history.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,535
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,541
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yes, but I think if it's going to actually pass Congress it has to be race-neutral, something like Cory Booker's baby bonds.
Yes, but I think if it's going to actually pass Congress it has to be race-neutral, something like Cory Booker's baby bonds.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,545
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
People would flip out if white people end up getting reperations
People would flip out if white people end up getting reperations
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Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 54 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,546
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,549
@984,545 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
People will flip out if black people get reparations. People will flip out if black people don't get reparations. I don't think that matters at all
People will flip out if black people get reparations. People will flip out if black people don't get reparations. I don't think that matters at all
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,551
@984,516 (D)
That's everyone who has a family earning under 100,000 a year, not people who had a slave ancestor in 1519.
That's everyone who has a family earning under 100,000 a year, not people who had a slave ancestor in 1519.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,552
@984,549 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Do you think all black people should get them or only black people who had an ancester who was a slave? What if some blacks came to America only 50 or 60 years ago?
Do you think all black people should get them or only black people who had an ancester who was a slave? What if some blacks came to America only 50 or 60 years ago?
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,554
.4 acres(in New mexico) and an old mule..
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Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,556
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,558
@984,552 (A)
I think priority should be given to black people who have slave ancestors, though black immigrants (who make up about 10% of black Americans) still face racism ofc.
I think priority should be given to black people who have slave ancestors, though black immigrants (who make up about 10% of black Americans) still face racism ofc.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,561
@984,552 (A)
> Do you think all black people should get them or only black people who had an ancester who was a slave? What if some blacks came to America only 50 or 60 years ago?
No matter 5 years or back to imported as a slave. If they live in one of those retarded southern states, they have experienced 2nd class treatment and only shit jobs. So YES.
> Do you think all black people should get them or only black people who had an ancester who was a slave? What if some blacks came to America only 50 or 60 years ago?
No matter 5 years or back to imported as a slave. If they live in one of those retarded southern states, they have experienced 2nd class treatment and only shit jobs. So YES.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 21 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,562
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 18 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,563
Sooo..
Should a black gang thug have his charges for armed robbery of a liquor store be dismissed because his daddy used to molest him as a child and his mama cursed him all the time..
Say yes...if your a liberal..
Should a black gang thug have his charges for armed robbery of a liquor store be dismissed because his daddy used to molest him as a child and his mama cursed him all the time..
Say yes...if your a liberal..
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 0 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,564
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,572
@984,562 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Why is it crazy to think someone who immigrated to the US in 1955 and was legally not allowed to use the same facilities as white people isn't entitled to compensation? It doesn't have to be as much compensation as black people who are descendants of slaves but they experienced legalized racial discrimination and are entitled to compensation. Native Americans got reparations. Japanese people got reparations for interment. It's not crazy. When the government wrongs people it has to pay damages.
Why is it crazy to think someone who immigrated to the US in 1955 and was legally not allowed to use the same facilities as white people isn't entitled to compensation? It doesn't have to be as much compensation as black people who are descendants of slaves but they experienced legalized racial discrimination and are entitled to compensation. Native Americans got reparations. Japanese people got reparations for interment. It's not crazy. When the government wrongs people it has to pay damages.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,576
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So you're paying an entire race for for the sins of our fathers? Don't you think baby boomers put enough debt on the following generations then to add this as well?
Why do we focus so much energy on the sins of white people towards other minorities but gloss over the sins minorities do to themselves? Why is it a greater crime of a police officer shooting dead a black thug in self defence than it is of black gangs killing killing each other in the 100s every month?
Isn't the real racism the higher standard we expect of whites compared to blacks?
So you're paying an entire race for for the sins of our fathers? Don't you think baby boomers put enough debt on the following generations then to add this as well?
Why do we focus so much energy on the sins of white people towards other minorities but gloss over the sins minorities do to themselves? Why is it a greater crime of a police officer shooting dead a black thug in self defence than it is of black gangs killing killing each other in the 100s every month?
Isn't the real racism the higher standard we expect of whites compared to blacks?
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Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,577
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,578
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,579
@984,576 (A)
Do you subscribe to the "aliens from outer space enslaved black people then left the planet after the civil war ended" theory of race relations in the US?
Do you subscribe to the "aliens from outer space enslaved black people then left the planet after the civil war ended" theory of race relations in the US?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,580
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
No, I just don't believe give blacks tax breaks will really help them out as a race and culture.
No, I just don't believe give blacks tax breaks will really help them out as a race and culture.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,581
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,582
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yes I have. Have you? And if so what point are you attempting to make?
Yes I have. Have you? And if so what point are you attempting to make?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,583
@previous (A)
I'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion that giving black people money will not improve the lives of black people.
I'm just wondering how you came to the conclusion that giving black people money will not improve the lives of black people.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,584
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
A lot of blacks who suffer the most live in deprived areas, have shitty schools and very few opportunities. Giving them tax breaks isn't going to solve that but instead raise a new generation of entitled people and angry whites. And can you imagine ever trying to remove the tax breaks in the future to redistribute the money in a better way? It'll be political suicide. You'll lock the government into something harmful
A lot of blacks who suffer the most live in deprived areas, have shitty schools and very few opportunities. Giving them tax breaks isn't going to solve that but instead raise a new generation of entitled people and angry whites. And can you imagine ever trying to remove the tax breaks in the future to redistribute the money in a better way? It'll be political suicide. You'll lock the government into something harmful
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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,585
@previous (A)
> You'll lock the government into something harmful
That Gov has been stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Time to try a reversal. (Not that this will ever happen)
> You'll lock the government into something harmful
That Gov has been stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Time to try a reversal. (Not that this will ever happen)
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 19 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,586
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,621
@984,572 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So do you keep paying new people as they're born if racism continues?
Also aren't reperations for slavery, not for the idea the prejudice exists?
So do you keep paying new people as they're born if racism continues?
Also aren't reperations for slavery, not for the idea the prejudice exists?
McBecky Southwest Sommelier joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,624
Israel rocket launches for reparations and racial justice for the motha butching WIN biatch
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 41 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,635
Also do we pay women reperations?
beckyderp !TInYDicKMI joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,636
@984,519 (D)
Aren't you a convicted felon?
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yes it's called child support
Aren't you a convicted felon?
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yes it's called child support
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,641
@previous (beckyderp !TInYDicKMI)
I am absolutely not..
I have never even been accused of that..
I am absolutely not..
I have never even been accused of that..
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beckyderp !TInYDicKMI replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,642
@previous (D)
Sorry, thought I remembered something like that but I think I'm wrong!
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Sorry, thought I remembered something like that but I think I'm wrong!
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Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,643
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,648
White leftists and liberals think voter ID is "racist" because they think black people can't sort out the paperwork to get an ID. They also think black people will be able to sort out the non-existent paperwork that traces their history back to slavery, so they can get reparations?! It's a game white liberals play with black people, but blacks aren't buying into the "free stuff" campaigns of the Democrats like they used to. The white liberals saviour complex makes them feel so good for helping those poor, stupid, uneducated, unemployed, criminal blacks. "Here's some loose change and some pity, black people" "Without our help you'll never be as good as us whites" "Awwww, would a couple of thousand dollars be life changing money to you people?"
How white liberals really view black people
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,657
1:14
Lol
Lol
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 41 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,669
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 39 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,670
@984,648 (C)
They actually do believe that black people can't get id. It's a really bizarre thought process
They actually do believe that black people can't get id. It's a really bizarre thought process
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,677
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,692
@984,621 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No, it would be tied to slavery or jim crow/segregation. You couldn't just immigrate to the U.S. and be given reparations. I prefer universal implementation anyway because it could actually pass congress and I said that earlier so idk why you're asking me to defend a policy I don't actually support.
@984,584 (A)
Who said anything about tax breaks? And shitty areas have low resources because the people there have low resources. If you increase the amount of resources people have then...well the community will improve.
Also if you are really concerned about insufficient taxes being paid, corporate tax dodging must have you shaking in your boots.
@984,621 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Reparations are for past injustices that went uncompensated. Present injustices would be remedied by the normal political process.
@984,635 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I mean I'm not opposed to that idea but that's a lot trickier to determine how that would work (yet another benefit of the baby bonds!)
@984,648 (C)
No, it's racist because black people vote 95% for democrats and republican state legislatures write voter ID bills to disenfranchise democratic voters, and due to the de facto segregation inherent in where people live, and the general socioeconomic differences between black and white communities, it's very easy to specifically target black communities.
This is not subtle. Look at the NC Voter ID bill that got struck down by the Fourth Circuit:
The court continues on listing ways in which this law was discriminatory in nature, but shit like this is exactly why liberals have a visceral revulsion to voter ID laws. It's just the latest in a long line of voter suppression tactics dating back to poll taxes, literacy tests, etc.
No, it would be tied to slavery or jim crow/segregation. You couldn't just immigrate to the U.S. and be given reparations. I prefer universal implementation anyway because it could actually pass congress and I said that earlier so idk why you're asking me to defend a policy I don't actually support.
@984,584 (A)
Who said anything about tax breaks? And shitty areas have low resources because the people there have low resources. If you increase the amount of resources people have then...well the community will improve.
Also if you are really concerned about insufficient taxes being paid, corporate tax dodging must have you shaking in your boots.
@984,621 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Reparations are for past injustices that went uncompensated. Present injustices would be remedied by the normal political process.
@984,635 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I mean I'm not opposed to that idea but that's a lot trickier to determine how that would work (yet another benefit of the baby bonds!)
@984,648 (C)
No, it's racist because black people vote 95% for democrats and republican state legislatures write voter ID bills to disenfranchise democratic voters, and due to the de facto segregation inherent in where people live, and the general socioeconomic differences between black and white communities, it's very easy to specifically target black communities.
This is not subtle. Look at the NC Voter ID bill that got struck down by the Fourth Circuit:
After years of preclearance and expansion of voting access, by 2013 African American registration and turnout rates had finally reached near-parity with white registration and turnout rates. African Americans were poised to act as a major electoral force. But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed African American support) announced an intention to enact what he characterized as an “omnibus” election law. Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.11 In response to claims that intentional racial discrimination animated its action, the State offered only meager justifications. Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.
Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation....Faced with this record, we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the district court to the contrary and remand with instructions to enjoin the challenged provisions of the law.
Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation....Faced with this record, we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the district court to the contrary and remand with instructions to enjoin the challenged provisions of the law.
In this one statute, the North Carolina legislature imposed a number of voting restrictions. The law required in-person voters to show certain photo IDs, beginning in 2016, which African Americans disproportionately lacked, and eliminated or reduced registration and voting access tools that African Americans disproportionately used. Id. at *9-10, *37, *123, *127, *131. Moreover, as the district court found, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law. Id. at *136-38.
This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both 2008 and 2012. Id. at *136-38; see also id. at *48 n.74 (trial evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting.
Id. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days. Id. at *15, *136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which African American churches provided transportation to voters. Id. at *55.
This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both 2008 and 2012. Id. at *136-38; see also id. at *48 n.74 (trial evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting.
Id. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days. Id. at *15, *136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which African American churches provided transportation to voters. Id. at *55.
The court continues on listing ways in which this law was discriminatory in nature, but shit like this is exactly why liberals have a visceral revulsion to voter ID laws. It's just the latest in a long line of voter suppression tactics dating back to poll taxes, literacy tests, etc.
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McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,694
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,695
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,714
@984,692 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)> No, it would be tied to slavery or jim crow/segregation. You couldn't just immigrate to the U.S. and be given reparations. I prefer universal implementation anyway because it could actually pass congress and I said that earlier so idk why you're asking me to defend a policy I don't actually support.
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> Who said anything about tax breaks? And shitty areas have low resources because the people there have low resources. If you increase the amount of resources people have then...well the community will improve.
> Also if you are really concerned about insufficient taxes being paid, corporate tax dodging must have you shaking in your boots.
>
> Reparations are for past injustices that went uncompensated. Present injustices would be remedied by the normal political process.
>
> I mean I'm not opposed to that idea but that's a lot trickier to determine how that would work (yet another benefit of the baby bonds!)
>
> No, it's racist because black people vote 95% for democrats and republican state legislatures write voter ID bills to disenfranchise democratic voters, and due to the de facto segregation inherent in where people live, and the general socioeconomic differences between black and white communities, it's very easy to specifically target black communities.
> This is not subtle. Look at the NC Voter ID bill that got struck down by the Fourth Circuit:
>
After years of preclearance and expansion of voting access, by 2013 African American registration and turnout rates had finally reached near-parity with white registration and turnout rates. African Americans were poised to act as a major electoral force. But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed African American support) announced an intention to enact what he characterized as an “omnibus” election law. Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.11 In response to claims that intentional racial discrimination animated its action, the State offered only meager justifications. Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.
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> Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation....Faced with this record, we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the district court to the contrary and remand with instructions to enjoin the challenged provisions of the law.
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> Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation....Faced with this record, we can only conclude that the North Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the district court to the contrary and remand with instructions to enjoin the challenged provisions of the law.
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In this one statute, the North Carolina legislature imposed a number of voting restrictions. The law required in-person voters to show certain photo IDs, beginning in 2016, which African Americans disproportionately lacked, and eliminated or reduced registration and voting access tools that African Americans disproportionately used. Id. at *9-10, *37, *123, *127, *131. Moreover, as the district court found, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law. Id. at *136-38.
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> This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
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> The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
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> The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both 2008 and 2012. Id. at *136-38; see also id. at *48 n.74 (trial evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting.
> Id. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days. Id. at *15, *136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which African American churches provided transportation to voters. Id. at *55.
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> This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
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> The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.
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> The district court found that, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, legislators also requested data as to the racial breakdown of early voting usage. Id. at *136-37. Early voting allows any registered voter to complete an absentee application and ballot at the same time, in person, in advance of Election Day. Id. at *4-5. Early voting thus increases opportunities to vote for those who have difficulty getting to their polling place on Election Day. The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both 2008 and 2012. Id. at *136-38; see also id. at *48 n.74 (trial evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting.
> Id. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days. Id. at *15, *136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which African American churches provided transportation to voters. Id. at *55.
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> The court continues on listing ways in which this law was discriminatory in nature, but shit like this is exactly why liberals have a visceral revulsion to voter ID laws. It's just the latest in a long line of voter suppression tactics dating back to poll taxes, literacy tests, etc.
And to summarize: "black people are too stupid to get IDs"
Yes, I know how racist you are, you don't have to prove it. Do you use "black voice" when you have to talk to black people?
q. joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,720
this countrys pretty worthless for white dudes now so we definitely should get reparations for that.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,726
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,727
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So when you "dumb it down for the stupid blacks" do you sound like this
So when you "dumb it down for the stupid blacks" do you sound like this
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,730
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 53 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,734
Black people are able to get ids they just dont
McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,740
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,745
@previous (McBecky Southwest Sommelier)
Because it isn't in their culture. It's not like courthouses refuse them entry anymore
Because it isn't in their culture. It's not like courthouses refuse them entry anymore
McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,750
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,756
@previous (McBecky Southwest Sommelier)
It doesn't prevent them, it just isn't seen as necessary. Like how certain cultures don't use condoms or get vacinnated
It doesn't prevent them, it just isn't seen as necessary. Like how certain cultures don't use condoms or get vacinnated
McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,762
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,763
@previous (McBecky Southwest Sommelier)
I think it's a holdover from during a time when they weren't allowed those things
I think it's a holdover from during a time when they weren't allowed those things
McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,764
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,772
@previous (McBecky Southwest Sommelier)
Why doesn't it? A person's great grandparents do something, so their grandparents do it, two their parents, so them.
Why do you think that they can't get ids?
Why doesn't it? A person's great grandparents do something, so their grandparents do it, two their parents, so them.
Why do you think that they can't get ids?
McBecky Southwest Sommelier replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,831
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@984,772 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
arent there states where the only ID is a driver's license (besides passport)? so if you cant drive you cant get id
arent there states where the only ID is a driver's license (besides passport)? so if you cant drive you cant get id
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #984,840
Ben Johnson replied with this 7 years ago, 12 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #984,928
@984,831 (McBecky Southwest Sommelier)
> I think they can get IDs.
the DMV sucks who has time for that
> I think they can get IDs.
the DMV sucks who has time for that
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #985,018
@984,993 (I)
25$ is a lot of money?
And it's not just to vote, but to work, drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, buy porn, get something notarized, sign lease, buy a car, go to college, etc.
25$ is a lot of money?
And it's not just to vote, but to work, drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, buy porn, get something notarized, sign lease, buy a car, go to college, etc.
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@previous (I)
lol...well obviously if they were the type to not have a couple of pieces of ID then it's not surprising that they do not have bank accounts..
lol...well obviously if they were the type to not have a couple of pieces of ID then it's not surprising that they do not have bank accounts..
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@984,692 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs
What IDs besides DMV issued IDs are you referring to here..
> This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs
What IDs besides DMV issued IDs are you referring to here..