Topic: Pope Francis leads the way in robotics and biomedicine
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U started this discussion 7 years ago #85,496
The Catholic Church again at the forefront of issues that concern the fate of humanity:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47668476
"It might not be the first place you imagine when you think about robots.
But in the Renaissance splendour of the Vatican, thousands of miles from Silicon Valley, scientists, ethicists and theologians gather to discuss the future of robotics.
The ideas go to the heart of what it means to be human and could define future generations on the planet"
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47668476
"It might not be the first place you imagine when you think about robots.
But in the Renaissance splendour of the Vatican, thousands of miles from Silicon Valley, scientists, ethicists and theologians gather to discuss the future of robotics.
The ideas go to the heart of what it means to be human and could define future generations on the planet"
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 45 seconds later[^] [v] #979,736
He’s a communist and a pedophile protector
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #979,742
The Pope leads the way as protector of pedophiles for the Church. Of course for PR purposes, he pretends otherwise.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 45 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #979,759
@OP
"he outlines the paradox of "progress" and cautions against developing technologies without first thinking of the possible costs to society."
In a 2001 apology, John Paul II called sexual abuse within the Church "a profound contradiction of the teaching and witness of Jesus Christ"
2019 and few weeks ago a new Pope whispered a few words about sexual abuse within the Church.
Where do Popes find the time to worry about Robots, when they are so busy with important matters like whispers of sexual abuse by its own.
"he outlines the paradox of "progress" and cautions against developing technologies without first thinking of the possible costs to society."
In a 2001 apology, John Paul II called sexual abuse within the Church "a profound contradiction of the teaching and witness of Jesus Christ"
2019 and few weeks ago a new Pope whispered a few words about sexual abuse within the Church.
Where do Popes find the time to worry about Robots, when they are so busy with important matters like whispers of sexual abuse by its own.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,782
if the abouse is so secret, how did you all know about so well
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,839
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,842
Ionize tg2merrin
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,852
@979,759 (D)
> "he outlines the paradox of "progress" and cautions against developing technologies without first thinking of the possible costs to society."
A fine and noble concern. Science must develop in tandem with moral thinking. Think for example of the potential horrors that advances in eugenics could wreak. Things never end well when mankind tries to play God, as Mary Shelly taught us with her allegorical novel Frankenstein.
> Where do Popes find the time to worry about Robots, when they are so busy with important matters like whispers of sexual abuse by its own.
How fortunate we are that Popes are able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Pope Francis is at the forefront of many fights. Stamping out child abuse and highlighting the importance of ethics in science are just two of them.
> "he outlines the paradox of "progress" and cautions against developing technologies without first thinking of the possible costs to society."
A fine and noble concern. Science must develop in tandem with moral thinking. Think for example of the potential horrors that advances in eugenics could wreak. Things never end well when mankind tries to play God, as Mary Shelly taught us with her allegorical novel Frankenstein.
> Where do Popes find the time to worry about Robots, when they are so busy with important matters like whispers of sexual abuse by its own.
How fortunate we are that Popes are able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Pope Francis is at the forefront of many fights. Stamping out child abuse and highlighting the importance of ethics in science are just two of them.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,853
> theologians gather to discuss the future of robotics
I want an electric monk like in that Douglas Adams book.
I want an electric monk like in that Douglas Adams book.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 20 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,854
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,865
@979,852 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Pope Francis is at the forefront of many fights. Stamping out child abuse
Prove the Pope stamped out child abuse. Where is the proof?
Also <In a 2001 apology, John Paul II called sexual abuse within the Church "a profound contradiction of the teaching and witness of Jesus Christ"
Pope's opens mouth and in between giving blow jobs, spits out hot air.
> Pope Francis is at the forefront of many fights. Stamping out child abuse
Prove the Pope stamped out child abuse. Where is the proof?
Also <In a 2001 apology, John Paul II called sexual abuse within the Church "a profound contradiction of the teaching and witness of Jesus Christ"
Pope's opens mouth and in between giving blow jobs, spits out hot air.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #979,880
@previous (I)
> Prove the Pope stamped out child abuse. Where is the proof?
I said he leads the fight against child abuse, not that he's already wiped it out. It's a major global problem. As the Pope himself said a couple of weeks ago, it is tantamount to fighting the devil himself, since it is Satan who corrupts people into doing such acts. But he and the entire Church hierarchy is working day and night to protect children.
"We hear the cry of the little ones asking for justice. We sense the weight of the pastoral and ecclesial responsibility that obliges us to discuss together, in a synodal, frank, and in-depth manner, how to confront this evil afflicting the Church and humanity. The holy people of God looks to us, and expects from us not simple and predictable condemnations, but concrete and effective measures to be undertaken".
Thus spoke His Holiness during opening remarks on his plan to combat Satan's influence in our world. And here is his 21-point plan which aims to safeguard not only children, but also the princple of innocent until proven guilty.
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/21/190221f.html
> Prove the Pope stamped out child abuse. Where is the proof?
I said he leads the fight against child abuse, not that he's already wiped it out. It's a major global problem. As the Pope himself said a couple of weeks ago, it is tantamount to fighting the devil himself, since it is Satan who corrupts people into doing such acts. But he and the entire Church hierarchy is working day and night to protect children.
"We hear the cry of the little ones asking for justice. We sense the weight of the pastoral and ecclesial responsibility that obliges us to discuss together, in a synodal, frank, and in-depth manner, how to confront this evil afflicting the Church and humanity. The holy people of God looks to us, and expects from us not simple and predictable condemnations, but concrete and effective measures to be undertaken".
Thus spoke His Holiness during opening remarks on his plan to combat Satan's influence in our world. And here is his 21-point plan which aims to safeguard not only children, but also the princple of innocent until proven guilty.
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/21/190221f.html
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,079
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,080
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,082
> but also the princple of innocent until proven guilty
The problem is that even when kiddie fuckers and the people who cover up the kiddie fucking get convicted, the Pope refuses to believe it. Francis is still holding out hope that people like Pell and Barbarin are somehow blameless victims. Sheltering pedophiles isn't taking strong steps to fight the pedophile problem in your church.
The problem is that even when kiddie fuckers and the people who cover up the kiddie fucking get convicted, the Pope refuses to believe it. Francis is still holding out hope that people like Pell and Barbarin are somehow blameless victims. Sheltering pedophiles isn't taking strong steps to fight the pedophile problem in your church.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,107
@980,079 (J)
> >demands proof
Which you ought to be able to provide, unless you're silly enough to...
> >believes in something that cannot be proven
Yet you can't provide it. So you've just owned yourself, congratulations.
> >demands proof
Which you ought to be able to provide, unless you're silly enough to...
> >believes in something that cannot be proven
Yet you can't provide it. So you've just owned yourself, congratulations.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,108
@980,082 (G)
> The problem is that even when kiddie fuckers and the people who cover up the kiddie fucking get convicted, the Pope refuses to believe it.
Which is why last month the Pope put out a statement clearly saying that he "heard the cries of the little ones" and would do everything to "confront this evil" of child abuse.
Sentence one, fail number one.
> Francis is still holding out hope that people like Pell and Barbarin are somehow blameless victims.
Which is why in December last year Pell was booted from the Pope's Council of Cardinal Advisors and last month the Vatican's own Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith initiated its own investigation into him.
Sentence two, fail number two.
> Sheltering pedophiles isn't taking strong steps to fight the pedophile problem in your church.
Which is why the Pope recently published his 21-point plan to ensure that pedophiles can't be sheltered.
Sentence three, fail number three. Congratulations, you made a clean sweep!
> The problem is that even when kiddie fuckers and the people who cover up the kiddie fucking get convicted, the Pope refuses to believe it.
Which is why last month the Pope put out a statement clearly saying that he "heard the cries of the little ones" and would do everything to "confront this evil" of child abuse.
Sentence one, fail number one.
> Francis is still holding out hope that people like Pell and Barbarin are somehow blameless victims.
Which is why in December last year Pell was booted from the Pope's Council of Cardinal Advisors and last month the Vatican's own Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith initiated its own investigation into him.
Sentence two, fail number two.
> Sheltering pedophiles isn't taking strong steps to fight the pedophile problem in your church.
Which is why the Pope recently published his 21-point plan to ensure that pedophiles can't be sheltered.
Sentence three, fail number three. Congratulations, you made a clean sweep!
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,109
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Father Merrin, is this how Jesus would debate a non-believer? Where is the compassion? The forgiveness?
Father Merrin, is this how Jesus would debate a non-believer? Where is the compassion? The forgiveness?
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,111
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,113
@980,109 (K)
> Father Merrin, is this how Jesus would debate a non-believer?
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household" - Matthew 10:34-36. The words of Christ. I suggest you meditate upon their meaning.
Also, why have you assumed Anon G is a "non-believer"? His anger is directed at the Church, not at God as far as I can see. Do not presume the motivations of others.
> Where is the compassion?
In Christ.
> The forgiveness?
Through Christ.
Bless you for the question my child, I hope you now understand better.
> Father Merrin, is this how Jesus would debate a non-believer?
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household" - Matthew 10:34-36. The words of Christ. I suggest you meditate upon their meaning.
Also, why have you assumed Anon G is a "non-believer"? His anger is directed at the Church, not at God as far as I can see. Do not presume the motivations of others.
> Where is the compassion?
In Christ.
> The forgiveness?
Through Christ.
Bless you for the question my child, I hope you now understand better.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 41 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,114
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,117
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
You've been asked before by others to prove it, and each time you failed to do so.
You've been asked before by others to prove it, and each time you failed to do so.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,118
@previous (H)
Um do you see his name? It clearly says "Father Merrin". If you'd like I can attach a picture of a clerical collar to his posts in order to further validate his authenticity.
Um do you see his name? It clearly says "Father Merrin". If you'd like I can attach a picture of a clerical collar to his posts in order to further validate his authenticity.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #980,119
@980,117 (H)
> You've been asked before by others to prove it, and each time you failed to do so.
"Others", lol :)
But yes indeed, you have asked me to prove it before. And every time you have done so I have clearly asked you: how would you like me to prove it to you? What kind of proof would satisfy you?
And each and every time you have had no idea how to answer the question, because you clearly don't know what ordination involves. It is typical of atheists to demand "proof" and then have no idea how to articulate what "proof" they are looking for.
So let's try once more: what proof that I am a priest would finally satisfy you? Either state it clearly or else for your own sake cease your obsession my child.
> You've been asked before by others to prove it, and each time you failed to do so.
"Others", lol :)
But yes indeed, you have asked me to prove it before. And every time you have done so I have clearly asked you: how would you like me to prove it to you? What kind of proof would satisfy you?
And each and every time you have had no idea how to answer the question, because you clearly don't know what ordination involves. It is typical of atheists to demand "proof" and then have no idea how to articulate what "proof" they are looking for.
So let's try once more: what proof that I am a priest would finally satisfy you? Either state it clearly or else for your own sake cease your obsession my child.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,139
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,148
@980,119 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
"Others" have said about posting a picture of documentation, and you blabbered on and on to avoid proving so.
And Simon, if you're worried about people seeing your name, not to worry, it's already known.
"Others" have said about posting a picture of documentation, and you blabbered on and on to avoid proving so.
And Simon, if you're worried about people seeing your name, not to worry, it's already known.
Anonymous H double-posted this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,150
@980,118 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
And how is that going to prove he's a real priest?
If Syntax has a pic of a satellite next to his name, does that make him what he says he is?
If Becky has a law book next to her name, does that mean she's really a lawyer?
Why don't you put a pic of a Rolls Royce Phantom next to Matt's name, since he claims to own one?
You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
And how is that going to prove he's a real priest?
If Syntax has a pic of a satellite next to his name, does that make him what he says he is?
If Becky has a law book next to her name, does that mean she's really a lawyer?
Why don't you put a pic of a Rolls Royce Phantom next to Matt's name, since he claims to own one?
You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
Becky's Butt joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 56 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,151
Becky's Butt double-posted this 7 years ago, 25 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,152
oh wait I can do that too but it would be less fun
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,153
@980,150 (H)
> And how is that going to prove he's a real priest?
>
> If Syntax has a pic of a satellite next to his name, does that make him what he says he is?
>
> If Becky has a law book next to her name, does that mean she's really a lawyer?
>
> Why don't you put a pic of a Rolls Royce Phantom next to Matt's name, since he claims to own one?
>
> You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
You are a moron.
> And how is that going to prove he's a real priest?
>
> If Syntax has a pic of a satellite next to his name, does that make him what he says he is?
>
> If Becky has a law book next to her name, does that mean she's really a lawyer?
>
> Why don't you put a pic of a Rolls Royce Phantom next to Matt's name, since he claims to own one?
>
> You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
You are a moron.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,174
@980,108 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Congratulations! You missed the point of all three sentences. Your ability to dodge and misinterpret arguments should never be underestimated. That Pell isn't officially on the body advising Francis isn't really of any importance if he's going to be sitting in an Australian prison for face-raping some 13 year old boys.
The problem is that Francis doesn't seem to understand that saying things isn't the same as doing things. Francis has refused to accept Barbarin's resignation after he was convicted of covering up child abuse and protecting the abusers. Francis is still denying the guilt of Pell who was convicted of molesting kids. Pope Francis can say all the tough things he wants, but he's still coddling the pedophiles in his organization. He's not combating Satan, he's combating reality.
Congratulations! You missed the point of all three sentences. Your ability to dodge and misinterpret arguments should never be underestimated. That Pell isn't officially on the body advising Francis isn't really of any importance if he's going to be sitting in an Australian prison for face-raping some 13 year old boys.
The problem is that Francis doesn't seem to understand that saying things isn't the same as doing things. Francis has refused to accept Barbarin's resignation after he was convicted of covering up child abuse and protecting the abusers. Francis is still denying the guilt of Pell who was convicted of molesting kids. Pope Francis can say all the tough things he wants, but he's still coddling the pedophiles in his organization. He's not combating Satan, he's combating reality.
Toilet Seat !TOD33vFX8s replied with this 7 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,177
@980,148 (H)
> Simon
Damn. Always knew TG was a retard, and he has the name to prove it.
> Simon
Damn. Always knew TG was a retard, and he has the name to prove it.
(Edited 15 seconds later.)
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,189
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 19 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,318
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,357
@980,148 (H)
> And Simon, if you're worried about people seeing your name, not to worry, it's already known.
And...
@980,150 (H)
> You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
Priceless irony :)) Absolutely priceless :)))))))))))
> And Simon, if you're worried about people seeing your name, not to worry, it's already known.
And...
@980,150 (H)
> You really should stop believing what you read on these forums.
Priceless irony :)) Absolutely priceless :)))))))))))
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 39 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,358
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) triple-posted this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,359
@980,174 (G)
> Your ability to dodge and misinterpret arguments should never be underestimated.
This is wonderfully rich from a person who keeps making accusations against the Pope and each and every time I ask you to prove them, you shift the goalposts of the conversation and start talking about something else. For example:
> The problem is that Francis doesn't seem to understand that saying things isn't the same as doing things.
And this persumably is based on his direct implementation of his own 21-point plan? The one that completely falsifies your statement.
Again, you 'argue' from a position of total ignorance of the subject.
> Francis is still denying the guilt of Pell who was convicted of molesting kids.
Proof of this statement please.
> Your ability to dodge and misinterpret arguments should never be underestimated.
This is wonderfully rich from a person who keeps making accusations against the Pope and each and every time I ask you to prove them, you shift the goalposts of the conversation and start talking about something else. For example:
> The problem is that Francis doesn't seem to understand that saying things isn't the same as doing things.
And this persumably is based on his direct implementation of his own 21-point plan? The one that completely falsifies your statement.
Again, you 'argue' from a position of total ignorance of the subject.
> Francis is still denying the guilt of Pell who was convicted of molesting kids.
Proof of this statement please.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) quadruple-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,360
@980,189 (P)
> I asked him what his parish was and he wouldn't answer.
Telling you my parish would serve no other purpose than to allow you to stalk me.
> I asked him what his parish was and he wouldn't answer.
Telling you my parish would serve no other purpose than to allow you to stalk me.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) quintuple-posted this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,362
@980,318 (H)
> Of course he won't. Simon isn't a real priest.
Then tell Simon to consider it as a profession. It's fulfilling.
> Of course he won't. Simon isn't a real priest.
Then tell Simon to consider it as a profession. It's fulfilling.
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,374
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,377
@previous (P)
> Why would I ever want to stalk you?
This will get you started -
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201306/in-the-mind-stalker
Let me know if you need my further help. And God bless you.
> Why would I ever want to stalk you?
This will get you started -
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201306/in-the-mind-stalker
Let me know if you need my further help. And God bless you.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,395
@980,359 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
So just to clear, here is the glorious 21 point plan to save the children or whatever:
So just to clear, here is the glorious 21 point plan to save the children or whatever:
1. To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.
2. To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
3. Establish the criteria for the direct involvement of the Bishop or of the Religious Superior.
4. Implement shared procedures for the examination of the charges, the protection of the victims and the right of defence of the accused.
5. Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
6. Make a periodic review of protocols and norms to safeguard a protected environment for minors in all pastoral structures: protocols and norms based on the integrated principles of justice and charity so that the action of the Church in this matter is in conformity with her mission.
7. Establish specific protocols for handling accusations against Bishops.
8. Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
9. Increase awareness of the causes and consequences of sexual abuse through ongoing formation initiatives of Bishops, Religious Superiors, clerics and pastoral workers.
10. Prepare pathways of pastoral care for communities injured by abuses and penitential and recovery routes for the perpetrators.
11. To consolidate the collaboration with all people of good will and with the operators of mass media in order to recognize and discern real cases from false ones and accusations of slander, avoiding rancour and insinuations, rumours and defamation (cf. Pope Francis’ address to the Roman Curia, 21 December 2018).
12. To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
13. Establish provisions that regulate and facilitate the participation of lay experts in investigations and in the different degrees of judgment of canonical processes concerning sexual and / or power abuse.
14. The right to defence: the principle of natural and canon law of presumption of innocence must also be safeguarded until the guilt of the accused is proven. Therefore, it is necessary to prevent the lists of the accused being published, even by the dioceses, before the preliminary investigation and the definitive condemnation.
15. Observe the traditional principle of proportionality of punishment with respect to the crime committed. To decide that priests and bishops guilty of sexual abuse of minors leave the public ministry.
16. Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life. Be sure that there are programs of initial and ongoing formation to help them develop their human, spiritual and psychosexual maturity, as well as their interpersonal relationships and their behaviour.
17. Be sure to have psychological evaluations by qualified and accredited experts for candidates for the priesthood and consecrated life.
18. Establish norms governing the transfer of a seminarian or religious aspirant from one seminary to another; as well as a priest or religious from one diocese or congregation to another.
19. Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers to outline appropriate boundaries in personal relationships. Be specific about the necessary requirements for staff and volunteers and check their criminal record.
20. Explain all information and data on the dangers of abuse and its effects, how to recognize signs of abuse and how to report suspected sexual abuse. All this must take place in collaboration with parents, teachers, professionals and civil authorities.
21. Where it has not yet been in place, establish a group easily accessible for victims who want to report any crimes. Such an organization should have a certain autonomy with respect to the local ecclesiastical authority and include expert persons (clerics and laity) who know how to express the Church's attention to those who have been offended by improper attitudes on the part of clerics.
2. To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
3. Establish the criteria for the direct involvement of the Bishop or of the Religious Superior.
4. Implement shared procedures for the examination of the charges, the protection of the victims and the right of defence of the accused.
5. Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
6. Make a periodic review of protocols and norms to safeguard a protected environment for minors in all pastoral structures: protocols and norms based on the integrated principles of justice and charity so that the action of the Church in this matter is in conformity with her mission.
7. Establish specific protocols for handling accusations against Bishops.
8. Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
9. Increase awareness of the causes and consequences of sexual abuse through ongoing formation initiatives of Bishops, Religious Superiors, clerics and pastoral workers.
10. Prepare pathways of pastoral care for communities injured by abuses and penitential and recovery routes for the perpetrators.
11. To consolidate the collaboration with all people of good will and with the operators of mass media in order to recognize and discern real cases from false ones and accusations of slander, avoiding rancour and insinuations, rumours and defamation (cf. Pope Francis’ address to the Roman Curia, 21 December 2018).
12. To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
13. Establish provisions that regulate and facilitate the participation of lay experts in investigations and in the different degrees of judgment of canonical processes concerning sexual and / or power abuse.
14. The right to defence: the principle of natural and canon law of presumption of innocence must also be safeguarded until the guilt of the accused is proven. Therefore, it is necessary to prevent the lists of the accused being published, even by the dioceses, before the preliminary investigation and the definitive condemnation.
15. Observe the traditional principle of proportionality of punishment with respect to the crime committed. To decide that priests and bishops guilty of sexual abuse of minors leave the public ministry.
16. Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life. Be sure that there are programs of initial and ongoing formation to help them develop their human, spiritual and psychosexual maturity, as well as their interpersonal relationships and their behaviour.
17. Be sure to have psychological evaluations by qualified and accredited experts for candidates for the priesthood and consecrated life.
18. Establish norms governing the transfer of a seminarian or religious aspirant from one seminary to another; as well as a priest or religious from one diocese or congregation to another.
19. Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers to outline appropriate boundaries in personal relationships. Be specific about the necessary requirements for staff and volunteers and check their criminal record.
20. Explain all information and data on the dangers of abuse and its effects, how to recognize signs of abuse and how to report suspected sexual abuse. All this must take place in collaboration with parents, teachers, professionals and civil authorities.
21. Where it has not yet been in place, establish a group easily accessible for victims who want to report any crimes. Such an organization should have a certain autonomy with respect to the local ecclesiastical authority and include expert persons (clerics and laity) who know how to express the Church's attention to those who have been offended by improper attitudes on the part of clerics.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,396
@previous (G)
Which I already posted, literally in this thread:
@979,880 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Which in turn shows how much attention you pay to details, and explains why you keep on shifting the goalposts and making the same false statements over and over.
Which I already posted, literally in this thread:
@979,880 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Which in turn shows how much attention you pay to details, and explains why you keep on shifting the goalposts and making the same false statements over and over.
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,399
@980,377 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
I did want to have a chat with your bishop about your online conduct.
I did want to have a chat with your bishop about your online conduct.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 46 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,410
@previous (P)
> I did want to have a chat with your bishop about your online conduct.
You may direct your thoughts to God Himself. Only he is in a position to judge.
> I did want to have a chat with your bishop about your online conduct.
You may direct your thoughts to God Himself. Only he is in a position to judge.
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,411
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,414
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,416
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> > And I'm sure he will!
>
> So then repent!
All should repent of their sins.
> > And I'm sure he will!
>
> So then repent!
All should repent of their sins.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,417
@previous (P)
> > > And I'm sure he will!
> >
> > So then repent!
>
> All should repent of their sins.
Preach it, brother!
> > > And I'm sure he will!
> >
> > So then repent!
>
> All should repent of their sins.
Preach it, brother!
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,454
@980,396 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
So which of those points actually accomplishes anything? They all sound like garbage.
> To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.
Oh good! A handbook. Finally, our problems are solved!
> To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
We'll need some "listening structures" too!
Others are just bizarre...
> Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life.
You didn't have those before?
> Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers
Those didn't exist either?
> Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
What was the official policy before??
Still more are just weird and creepy:
> To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
It's 2019 and the Church, fresh off deciding whether it's okay for divorced women to eat crackers, is finally tackling the thorny issue of marrying 15 year-olds.
> Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
Oh good, I'm glad that reporting crime had to be explicitly spelled out. Maybe we can hope priests can be relied upon to do that now.
This is the load of crap you keep pointing to like it's some indication of tough new action. But all it boils down to are some committees, maybe a handbook, some listening structures, and maybe actually reporting crimes like we expect everyone else to do everyday. This isn't action. This is just more words.
So which of those points actually accomplishes anything? They all sound like garbage.
> To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.
Oh good! A handbook. Finally, our problems are solved!
> To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
We'll need some "listening structures" too!
Others are just bizarre...
> Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life.
You didn't have those before?
> Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers
Those didn't exist either?
> Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
What was the official policy before??
Still more are just weird and creepy:
> To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
It's 2019 and the Church, fresh off deciding whether it's okay for divorced women to eat crackers, is finally tackling the thorny issue of marrying 15 year-olds.
> Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
Oh good, I'm glad that reporting crime had to be explicitly spelled out. Maybe we can hope priests can be relied upon to do that now.
This is the load of crap you keep pointing to like it's some indication of tough new action. But all it boils down to are some committees, maybe a handbook, some listening structures, and maybe actually reporting crimes like we expect everyone else to do everyday. This isn't action. This is just more words.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 7 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,490
@previous (G)
> > To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.
> Oh good! A handbook. Finally, our problems are solved!
Oh good, a United States Constitution! Finally, our problems are solved!
> > To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
> We'll need some "listening structures" too!
You're denigrating counselling for sexual abuse victims now? "The Catholic Church has taken practical measures to help traumatized people! WAAAAAAAAHHH, who will I direct my hysteria at now??"
> > Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life.
> You didn't have those before?
First you say nothing practical is being done. Now, as always, you're shifting the goalposts and saying "why didn't you do this before?"
> > Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers
> Those didn't exist either?
See above.
> > Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
> What was the official policy before??
See above.
> Still more are just weird and creepy:
> > To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
> It's 2019 and the Church, fresh off deciding whether it's okay for divorced women to eat crackers, is finally tackling the thorny issue of marrying 15 year-olds.
See above.
> > Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
> Oh good, I'm glad that reporting crime had to be explicitly spelled out. Maybe we can hope priests can be relied upon to do that now.
Show me where Judaism, Islam and Protestantism specificially spell out the terms by which their members will be reported to the police for suspected wrong-doing. Now you're crying because the Catholic Church is leading the way in world religions.
> This isn't action. This is just more words.
"BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW I don't like these actions!!!! I want different actions!!!! These are just words!!!!!"
I used to think your problem was simple ignorance, and it still is, but I've concluded that your main problem is extreme childishness. You think at a very immature level and if you don't like something you resort to anger and "I want something else!!" tantrums. It's a silly way to behave and I shall pray that God helps you become a calmer and more analytical person.
> > To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.
> Oh good! A handbook. Finally, our problems are solved!
Oh good, a United States Constitution! Finally, our problems are solved!
> > To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.
> We'll need some "listening structures" too!
You're denigrating counselling for sexual abuse victims now? "The Catholic Church has taken practical measures to help traumatized people! WAAAAAAAAHHH, who will I direct my hysteria at now??"
> > Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life.
> You didn't have those before?
First you say nothing practical is being done. Now, as always, you're shifting the goalposts and saying "why didn't you do this before?"
> > Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers
> Those didn't exist either?
See above.
> > Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.
> What was the official policy before??
See above.
> Still more are just weird and creepy:
> > To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.
> It's 2019 and the Church, fresh off deciding whether it's okay for divorced women to eat crackers, is finally tackling the thorny issue of marrying 15 year-olds.
See above.
> > Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.
> Oh good, I'm glad that reporting crime had to be explicitly spelled out. Maybe we can hope priests can be relied upon to do that now.
Show me where Judaism, Islam and Protestantism specificially spell out the terms by which their members will be reported to the police for suspected wrong-doing. Now you're crying because the Catholic Church is leading the way in world religions.
> This isn't action. This is just more words.
"BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW I don't like these actions!!!! I want different actions!!!! These are just words!!!!!"
I used to think your problem was simple ignorance, and it still is, but I've concluded that your main problem is extreme childishness. You think at a very immature level and if you don't like something you resort to anger and "I want something else!!" tantrums. It's a silly way to behave and I shall pray that God helps you become a calmer and more analytical person.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,501
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Show me where Judaism, and Protestantism specificially spell out the terms by which their members will be reported to the police for suspected wrong-doing.
Because that is the law. In the Catholic Church when a priest confesses that he has raped a child, that confession cannot be reveled to the law, nor has the Pope changed the rules of confession. Priest confesses, does some kind of penance and continues to rape children. That is why the Catholic Church is the ideal Church for child molesters.
> Show me where Judaism, and Protestantism specificially spell out the terms by which their members will be reported to the police for suspected wrong-doing.
Because that is the law. In the Catholic Church when a priest confesses that he has raped a child, that confession cannot be reveled to the law, nor has the Pope changed the rules of confession. Priest confesses, does some kind of penance and continues to rape children. That is why the Catholic Church is the ideal Church for child molesters.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,523
@previous (Q)
> Priest confesses, does some kind of penance and continues to rape children.
At this point you're just repeating the same falsehoods, and it became boring long ago.
And by the way, this is what is hysterical about the whole conversation: we Catholics consider God to be the highest authority on all matters. Therefore any transgressions are referred to Him via confession and penance. But that's not enough for you and the mainstream media that dictates your thoughts is it, oh no, you need to have yet another 'safe' witch hunt (I say "safe" because imagine what would happen if the media reported on the widespread sexual abuse of children by fundamentalist Muslims, oh excuse me, I mean "Asian youths" in Western nations. You'd be accused of being a racist. Yet white Christian men are fair game).
So we say "Ok, fine, we will deign to follow your secular 'laws', even though no man is in a position to judge any other man". We do this because the one noble facet of it is the princple of innocent until proven guilty.
And what happens? The merest accusation and "OMG he's a pedo!!!!!". You demand we follow your secular law only to then overthrow it yourselves!
God's judgement is unwavering. Secular judgement sees innocent men sent to prison and guilty men (Jussie Smollet) freed because he has rich friends in high places.
That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way, i.e, between itself and God. God is reliable. Human 'justice' is corruptible. It can be bought, and often is.
> Priest confesses, does some kind of penance and continues to rape children.
At this point you're just repeating the same falsehoods, and it became boring long ago.
And by the way, this is what is hysterical about the whole conversation: we Catholics consider God to be the highest authority on all matters. Therefore any transgressions are referred to Him via confession and penance. But that's not enough for you and the mainstream media that dictates your thoughts is it, oh no, you need to have yet another 'safe' witch hunt (I say "safe" because imagine what would happen if the media reported on the widespread sexual abuse of children by fundamentalist Muslims, oh excuse me, I mean "Asian youths" in Western nations. You'd be accused of being a racist. Yet white Christian men are fair game).
So we say "Ok, fine, we will deign to follow your secular 'laws', even though no man is in a position to judge any other man". We do this because the one noble facet of it is the princple of innocent until proven guilty.
And what happens? The merest accusation and "OMG he's a pedo!!!!!". You demand we follow your secular law only to then overthrow it yourselves!
God's judgement is unwavering. Secular judgement sees innocent men sent to prison and guilty men (Jussie Smollet) freed because he has rich friends in high places.
That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way, i.e, between itself and God. God is reliable. Human 'justice' is corruptible. It can be bought, and often is.
Anonymous Q replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,529
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way
Thank you for agreeing that the Catholic Church is the ideal church for pedophiles to get away with raping children.
> That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way
Thank you for agreeing that the Catholic Church is the ideal church for pedophiles to get away with raping children.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,530
@previous (Q)
> >That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way
>
> Thank you
You're welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions about the Catholic faith.
> >That is why the Catholic Church prefers to handle sin and transgression in its own way
>
> Thank you
You're welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions about the Catholic faith.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 6 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,598
@980,490 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Fuck. You are so pathetic. I was hoping for a point-by-point defense of your glorious 21-point plan, but I guess "see above" is all I get. I feel like you would be tedious as an actual priest because you would just berate parishioners and Sunday school students with "you don't understand" rhetoric. Even kids can see through that.
> sexual abuse of children by fundamentalist Muslims
You might try blaming the Jews. You got them all kicked out of England. And almost France... It worked for Catholics in the 1940s. I guess it's the muslims now. whatever. I'm sick of listening to your bronze-age religious bullshit. Herp-a-derp it's those guise! That might have worked during the crusades.
Blame anyone but you for your problems! It's a fine strategy. Everyone but me is the problem!
The French revolution did it right. Kill all the the priests and take church property for the people. It was always for the people. That's what Jesus wanted anyway.
Fuck. You are so pathetic. I was hoping for a point-by-point defense of your glorious 21-point plan, but I guess "see above" is all I get. I feel like you would be tedious as an actual priest because you would just berate parishioners and Sunday school students with "you don't understand" rhetoric. Even kids can see through that.
> sexual abuse of children by fundamentalist Muslims
You might try blaming the Jews. You got them all kicked out of England. And almost France... It worked for Catholics in the 1940s. I guess it's the muslims now. whatever. I'm sick of listening to your bronze-age religious bullshit. Herp-a-derp it's those guise! That might have worked during the crusades.
Blame anyone but you for your problems! It's a fine strategy. Everyone but me is the problem!
The French revolution did it right. Kill all the the priests and take church property for the people. It was always for the people. That's what Jesus wanted anyway.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 6 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #980,623
@previous (G)
> Fuck.
You sound annoyed.
> I was hoping for a point-by-point defense of your glorious 21-point plan
It doesn't need 'defending'.
> "see above" is all I get.
Nope, what you got was "First you say nothing practical is being done. Now, as always, you're shifting the goalposts and saying "why didn't you do this before?"Pay attention my child.
> you would just berate parishioners and Sunday school students with "you don't understand" rhetoric.
Just because you are cluelessly flailing around trying to grasp basic logic, don't assume others are the same. My parishioners have perfect comprehension skills. You could learn a thing or two from them.
> I guess it's the muslims now. whatever.
Congratulations, you currently have a 100% record on missing the point. Which in this case was: show me where in this article it describes the following people...
Saeed Akhtar, 55, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of inciting child prostitution and one count of rape.
Naveed Akhtar, 43, of Bradford, was convicted of two counts of rape and found not guilty of a third count.
Parvaze Ahmed 36, of Bradford, was convicted of three counts of rape.
Izar Hussain, 32, of Bradford, was found guilty of one count of rape and one count of attempted rape, but found not guilty on another two counts of rape.
Zeeshan Ali, 32, of Bradford, was convicted of sexual assault.
Kieran Harris, 28, of Dewsbury, was convicted of two counts of rape.
Faheem Iqbal, 27, of no fixed abode, was found guilty of aiding and abetting rape.
Mohammed Usman, 31, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of rape.
...as "Muslims".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-47319226
You won't find it. Because although the teachings of their religion is a direct contributor to child sex abuse, it is still not acceptable in the Western world to mention this. So to compensate for this we manufacture a hysterical witch hunt against the 'Catholic Church', because it's perfectly ok to demonize them. And naturally, low-information, gullible, easily-led sheep like you go along with it.
> Everyone but me is the problem!
Nope, you are the problem. Stop blaming others for your lack of critical thinking skills.
You have yourself a blessed day my child!
> Fuck.
You sound annoyed.
> I was hoping for a point-by-point defense of your glorious 21-point plan
It doesn't need 'defending'.
> "see above" is all I get.
Nope, what you got was "First you say nothing practical is being done. Now, as always, you're shifting the goalposts and saying "why didn't you do this before?"Pay attention my child.
> you would just berate parishioners and Sunday school students with "you don't understand" rhetoric.
Just because you are cluelessly flailing around trying to grasp basic logic, don't assume others are the same. My parishioners have perfect comprehension skills. You could learn a thing or two from them.
> I guess it's the muslims now. whatever.
Congratulations, you currently have a 100% record on missing the point. Which in this case was: show me where in this article it describes the following people...
Saeed Akhtar, 55, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of inciting child prostitution and one count of rape.
Naveed Akhtar, 43, of Bradford, was convicted of two counts of rape and found not guilty of a third count.
Parvaze Ahmed 36, of Bradford, was convicted of three counts of rape.
Izar Hussain, 32, of Bradford, was found guilty of one count of rape and one count of attempted rape, but found not guilty on another two counts of rape.
Zeeshan Ali, 32, of Bradford, was convicted of sexual assault.
Kieran Harris, 28, of Dewsbury, was convicted of two counts of rape.
Faheem Iqbal, 27, of no fixed abode, was found guilty of aiding and abetting rape.
Mohammed Usman, 31, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of rape.
...as "Muslims".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-47319226
You won't find it. Because although the teachings of their religion is a direct contributor to child sex abuse, it is still not acceptable in the Western world to mention this. So to compensate for this we manufacture a hysterical witch hunt against the 'Catholic Church', because it's perfectly ok to demonize them. And naturally, low-information, gullible, easily-led sheep like you go along with it.
> Everyone but me is the problem!
Nope, you are the problem. Stop blaming others for your lack of critical thinking skills.
You have yourself a blessed day my child!
(Edited 29 seconds later.)
