Topic: Did 6 million Jews really die in the holocaust?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #84,987
Personally I think a lot less. What does minichan think?
| Poll option | Votes | Percentage | Graph |
|---|---|---|---|
| Muh 6 million | 11 | 73% | |
| A little less. | 2 | 13% | |
| A lot less. | 2 | 13% |
MR STEVEN MNUCHIN joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 36 minutes later[^] [v] #974,579
That seems to be the commonly cited number yes
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #974,581
Reputable historians who study the subject say yes. Edgy kids on the internet say no.
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #974,583
Is your family proud of you? Do they love and respect you?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #974,586
@974,581 (C)
Who are you going to trust?
@OP
Probably. If I had a time machine I'd send you back to 1930s Germany so you could experience it for yourself!
Who are you going to trust?
@OP
Probably. If I had a time machine I'd send you back to 1930s Germany so you could experience it for yourself!
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #974,587
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But they might put him into a camp on suspicion of homosexual activity.
But they might put him into a camp on suspicion of homosexual activity.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,591
I say it was much more, about 150 million.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,593
It's just like slavery in the early South in the U.S.
People just get off on citing exaggerated claims about unfortunate circumstances that happened at one point where they can claim they have some vague connection to the folks that actually experienced said event.
ie; Black person in 2019 whing about slavery in the early 1800's or
Jewish people talking about the so called holocaust almost a century ago.
They want you to realize they are victims and deserve special consideration and attention.
People just get off on citing exaggerated claims about unfortunate circumstances that happened at one point where they can claim they have some vague connection to the folks that actually experienced said event.
ie; Black person in 2019 whing about slavery in the early 1800's or
Jewish people talking about the so called holocaust almost a century ago.
They want you to realize they are victims and deserve special consideration and attention.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,594
Its hard to say. The number has changed a few times
MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,596
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,598
@previous (MR STEVEN MNUCHIN)
No I saw pictures of the plaque at a Holocaust site and it has gone higher. It went from like two million to six million
No I saw pictures of the plaque at a Holocaust site and it has gone higher. It went from like two million to six million
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,599
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
So maybe when your dog was supposedly attacked it was a totally a poodle that did it and it never ever actually touched your dog but it just growled and
barked loudly and made you very nervous.
So maybe when your dog was supposedly attacked it was a totally a poodle that did it and it never ever actually touched your dog but it just growled and
barked loudly and made you very nervous.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,600
The posts are getting worse!!!
@974,593 (H)
@974,594 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
@974,598 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Ugh and ugh and ugh
@974,593 (H)
@974,594 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
@974,598 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Ugh and ugh and ugh
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,602
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 56 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,603
@974,600 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Its okay to discuss things. Saying it's less people doesn't make it any less tragic
Its okay to discuss things. Saying it's less people doesn't make it any less tragic
Anonymous J replied with this 7 years ago, 19 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,604
@974,600 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/holocaust-denial/
Read it and know the truth!
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/holocaust-denial/
Read it and know the truth!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,606
@974,603 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Its okay to discuss things. Saying it's less people doesn't make it any less tragic
This is a good quote. I feel sorry for those Jews gassed and it's slightly unfortunate that it happened but it's okay to talk about it and say the number was lower.
> Its okay to discuss things. Saying it's less people doesn't make it any less tragic
This is a good quote. I feel sorry for those Jews gassed and it's slightly unfortunate that it happened but it's okay to talk about it and say the number was lower.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,607
Take away the Holocaust and what do you have left? Without their precious Holocaust, what are the Jews? Just a grubby little bunch of international bandits and assassins and squatters who have perpetrated the most massive, cynical fraud in human history.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 28 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,608
@974,603 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I mean I have argued the plaque thing before with one of our charming alt right antisemites like @OP before and I don't want to relitigate it but it was a plaque at Auschwitz installed by the Soviets that inflated the number of Jews killed at that particular camp for anti-german propaganda purposes. It initially stated 4 million (I think) and was revised down to 1 million if I remember correctly.
I am happy to discuss things but when you are just reiterating untruthful antisemitic political talking points generated by people who think I am subhuman scum unwelcome in their country it's not generally enjoyable on my end.
I mean I have argued the plaque thing before with one of our charming alt right antisemites like @OP before and I don't want to relitigate it but it was a plaque at Auschwitz installed by the Soviets that inflated the number of Jews killed at that particular camp for anti-german propaganda purposes. It initially stated 4 million (I think) and was revised down to 1 million if I remember correctly.
I am happy to discuss things but when you are just reiterating untruthful antisemitic political talking points generated by people who think I am subhuman scum unwelcome in their country it's not generally enjoyable on my end.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,614
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
So why get involved at all? If you know something triggers you, don't entertain it.
Wait what does the plaque say now?
So why get involved at all? If you know something triggers you, don't entertain it.
Wait what does the plaque say now?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,621
@974,608 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Personally I love Jews and welcome them into my country. They are surpurb within the arts like Chopin for example but do they really need to control so much media and banking and why do they push for mass immigration?
Personally I love Jews and welcome them into my country. They are surpurb within the arts like Chopin for example but do they really need to control so much media and banking and why do they push for mass immigration?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,628
@974,614 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)It doesn't "trigger" me, I just think it's burdensome to always be the one having to prove that actually yes, about 6 million Jews were killed. Especially when the doubt isn't real, it's manufactured to push a political agenda and is always argued in bad faith or from ignorance.
I engage with it because it's important to fight misinformation, particularly the kind of misinformation designed to deny genocide.
Here is the plaque as of today. For what it's worth, image searching "Auschwitz plaque 4 million" gives you sites like "loveyourrace", stormfront and a site about "Holocaust deprogramming". This garbage "evidence" is propagated by literal neo Nazis. Which is bad, just for the record. Please don't read and believe neo Nazi propaganda, as a personal favor to me. Thanks.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,632
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,636
@974,628 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Why does that sign need to say "mainly jews" it kind of pushes aside those murdered who weren't Jews.
Why does that sign need to say "mainly jews" it kind of pushes aside those murdered who weren't Jews.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,638
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 35 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,639
@974,636 (A)
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/17/world/poland-agrees-to-change-auschwitz-tablets.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/17/world/poland-agrees-to-change-auschwitz-tablets.html
For Jews and Poles, Auschwitz has long been a source of antagonism, with each claiming it as a symbol of their own suffering under the Nazis during the war. More than three million non-Jewish Poles died during the war from starvation, disease, exhaustion or in Nazi death camps. More than six million Jews died.
Auschwitz is one of the few camps that remains intact. At the war's end, the Nazis, sensing their defeat, destroyed much of the evidence of their death camps. The barracks at Auschwitz, however, reveal the ghastly details of life and death there.
The preserved camp at Auschwitz, designed as a museum under the former Communist governments, emphasizes Nazi atrocities toward Soviet citizens during the war. One barracks displays rows and rows of framed photos of Poles who died there. Jews, gypsies and homosexuals - all slated for genocide - are represented as secondary victims.
Only one barracks near the exit honors the Jewish dead. Financed by several Jewish organizations, it includes photographs, identification cards and other memorabilia donated by survivors and others in a stark, dimly lit hall.
Auschwitz is one of the few camps that remains intact. At the war's end, the Nazis, sensing their defeat, destroyed much of the evidence of their death camps. The barracks at Auschwitz, however, reveal the ghastly details of life and death there.
The preserved camp at Auschwitz, designed as a museum under the former Communist governments, emphasizes Nazi atrocities toward Soviet citizens during the war. One barracks displays rows and rows of framed photos of Poles who died there. Jews, gypsies and homosexuals - all slated for genocide - are represented as secondary victims.
Only one barracks near the exit honors the Jewish dead. Financed by several Jewish organizations, it includes photographs, identification cards and other memorabilia donated by survivors and others in a stark, dimly lit hall.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,642
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,644
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,645
@974,642 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm not saying Jews were not the main victims but that sign seems like Jews are saying to other victims "this is our genocide, not yours"
I'm not saying Jews were not the main victims but that sign seems like Jews are saying to other victims "this is our genocide, not yours"
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,651
@previous (A)
Why are you conceding that Jews were the main victims but also taking issue with the sign that says the victims were "mainly Jews"?
Also the part I quoted explained why they changed it. Under Soviet rule, the park dramatically played down the suffering of the Jews in order to gain support fron the Polish. Once the commies lost power it was finally possible to undo that second indignity.
Why are you conceding that Jews were the main victims but also taking issue with the sign that says the victims were "mainly Jews"?
Also the part I quoted explained why they changed it. Under Soviet rule, the park dramatically played down the suffering of the Jews in order to gain support fron the Polish. Once the commies lost power it was finally possible to undo that second indignity.
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MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 16 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,652
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 24 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,653
MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,654
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 41 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,655
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,659
Of course not. (((They))) just like to play the victim!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,670
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,671
@974,651 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Why are you conceding that Jews were the main victims but also taking issue with the sign that says the victims were "mainly Jews"?
It's like running race, winning then saying other participants were unimportant
> Why are you conceding that Jews were the main victims but also taking issue with the sign that says the victims were "mainly Jews"?
It's like running race, winning then saying other participants were unimportant
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,675
@974,670 (A)
Yeah it was really inconsiderate of the Jews to make the Nazis kill them.
@previous (A)
Nowhere there does it denigrate others. If you actually cared about the impact words have on people you wouldn't have typed anything you did today. It's just more antisemitic shit from everyone's favorite "I'm not racist" poster. THanks.
Yeah it was really inconsiderate of the Jews to make the Nazis kill them.
@previous (A)
Nowhere there does it denigrate others. If you actually cared about the impact words have on people you wouldn't have typed anything you did today. It's just more antisemitic shit from everyone's favorite "I'm not racist" poster. THanks.
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Anonymous O replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,678
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Whatever, you Jews are just sore winners. Isn't winning the Holocaust enough? Sheesh
Whatever, you Jews are just sore winners. Isn't winning the Holocaust enough? Sheesh
Anonymous M replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,679
@974,675 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Probability is that OP will one day require the services of a great doctor or lawyer and finds the best one to be Jewish. Will OP say No to either just because they are Jewish.
Betting NOT.
Probability is that OP will one day require the services of a great doctor or lawyer and finds the best one to be Jewish. Will OP say No to either just because they are Jewish.
Betting NOT.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 20 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,687
It's always bugged me that Nazi death camps had hospitals. At what point did the Nazis decide that they could only kill fit and healthy Jews?
The gas chambers seem really expensive and inefficient for killing people too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but the Germans aren't exactly know for their inefficiency. I would imagine a German gas chamber would be perfectly sealed and be dispensing and then reclaiming as much gas as possible, before purging with breathable air so the bodies could be removed. Pictures of the gas chambers just look like some average room, and not really an efficient killing room with easy body removal.
If they weren't reclaiming the gas then they must have been producing it themselves on site I guess. Otherwise the trains full of Jews would need to be full of death gas as well, and the trains leaving would have to be full of dead Jews. I've never heard of any mass graves of Holocaust victims being excavated, but I'd imagine they are all pretty close to train tracks.
Moving the dead bodies would have to be either mechanized or carried out by other Jews. No way a Nazi guard is going to sling around dead bodies all day if he could just point his gun and get it done. Burning the dead bodies could be done as well but it uses a lot of fuel, and the bodies have to be burnt completely otherwise partially burnt bodies would still need to be buried. I'm not so sure cost of the fuel could really be justified if you can make people dig their own graves.
6 million is a lot of Jews to exterminate, and the whole process would need to be well planned and efficient from the logistics of collecting Jews and death gas on route to the camp, to the removal, unloading and burying of the bodies.
So, yeah. Why would the death camps have hospitals? That part bugs me.
The gas chambers seem really expensive and inefficient for killing people too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but the Germans aren't exactly know for their inefficiency. I would imagine a German gas chamber would be perfectly sealed and be dispensing and then reclaiming as much gas as possible, before purging with breathable air so the bodies could be removed. Pictures of the gas chambers just look like some average room, and not really an efficient killing room with easy body removal.
If they weren't reclaiming the gas then they must have been producing it themselves on site I guess. Otherwise the trains full of Jews would need to be full of death gas as well, and the trains leaving would have to be full of dead Jews. I've never heard of any mass graves of Holocaust victims being excavated, but I'd imagine they are all pretty close to train tracks.
Moving the dead bodies would have to be either mechanized or carried out by other Jews. No way a Nazi guard is going to sling around dead bodies all day if he could just point his gun and get it done. Burning the dead bodies could be done as well but it uses a lot of fuel, and the bodies have to be burnt completely otherwise partially burnt bodies would still need to be buried. I'm not so sure cost of the fuel could really be justified if you can make people dig their own graves.
6 million is a lot of Jews to exterminate, and the whole process would need to be well planned and efficient from the logistics of collecting Jews and death gas on route to the camp, to the removal, unloading and burying of the bodies.
So, yeah. Why would the death camps have hospitals? That part bugs me.
!dOGSemenmQ replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,691
@previous (P)
Now a lot of the gas rooms were just wagons that people were herded into, much more efficient than a bullet per person.
Now a lot of the gas rooms were just wagons that people were herded into, much more efficient than a bullet per person.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 12 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,692
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,694
@previous (A)
Could you convince a group of strangers that you are not actually antisemitic if I showed them this thread and told them you made it?
Could you convince a group of strangers that you are not actually antisemitic if I showed them this thread and told them you made it?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 19 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,705
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I admit I'm a little racist but that's okay because apprantlly we're all a little racist by default and admitting it is the first step so really I'm better than most people and not just because I'm white.
I admit I'm a little racist but that's okay because apprantlly we're all a little racist by default and admitting it is the first step so really I'm better than most people and not just because I'm white.
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 30 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,722
@previous (A)
> we're all a little racist by default
okay
> admitting it is the first step
towards doing what
> we're all a little racist by default
okay
> admitting it is the first step
towards doing what
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,730
@previous (L)
> >we're all a little racist by default
> okay
> >admitting it is the first step
> towards doing what
Being okay about it
> >we're all a little racist by default
> okay
> >admitting it is the first step
> towards doing what
Being okay about it
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,739
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 36 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,741
Anonymous O replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,742
@974,705 (A)
> I admit I'm a little racist but that's okay because apprantlly we're all a little racist by default and admitting it is the first step so really I'm better than most people and not just because I'm white.
but that just makes you a dumb racist
> I admit I'm a little racist but that's okay because apprantlly we're all a little racist by default and admitting it is the first step so really I'm better than most people and not just because I'm white.
but that just makes you a dumb racist
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,744
@974,741 (A)
So it's okay to be racist because you are racist, and you are racist because it's okay to be racist?
So it's okay to be racist because you are racist, and you are racist because it's okay to be racist?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 second later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,745
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,747
@974,744 (L)
Like I said, apprantlly we're racist by default and so knowing it is knowing oneself and accepting it.
Like I said, apprantlly we're racist by default and so knowing it is knowing oneself and accepting it.
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,753
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE replied with this 7 years ago, 9 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #974,946
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 20 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,263
Unintentional anti-Semitism bump!
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,265
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,267
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yes, but as a Democrat I am just causing debate about Israel and that requires a level of r-wordedness not yet achieved
Yes, but as a Democrat I am just causing debate about Israel and that requires a level of r-wordedness not yet achieved
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,270
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,271
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,272
@previous (P)
Thanks for your contributions which are exactly as valuable and insightful as they usually are.
Thanks for your contributions which are exactly as valuable and insightful as they usually are.
Anonymous P replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,279
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Democrats like us are going to run on unintentional anti-Semitism to win 2020! What a glorious way to defeat the racist orange man
Democrats like us are going to run on unintentional anti-Semitism to win 2020! What a glorious way to defeat the racist orange man
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,281
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #975,364
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Stop oppressing the Palestinians boy..
Why you got to be a hater..
Stop oppressing the Palestinians boy..
Why you got to be a hater..
