Topic: Why are Americans against universal healthcare?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #84,032
What the hell?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #965,974
Big pharma? The government wouldn't let them swindle them out of so much money.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,975
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 59 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,977
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,978
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,980
It wouldn’t be free, it wouldn’t be universal, but it would be yet another massively centralized and corruptible government system of oppression and a huge step towards totalitarian fascism. Thanks.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,983
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 25 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,987
@965,980 (C)
Despite every other developed country in the world, and many undeveloped, managing it just fine?
Despite every other developed country in the world, and many undeveloped, managing it just fine?
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #965,988
@previous (E)
https://www.dailysignal.com/2009/03/25/10-surprising-facts-about-american-health-care/
https://www.dailysignal.com/2009/03/25/10-surprising-facts-about-american-health-care/
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #966,000
@previous (C)
> dailysignal.com
Ugh, if I wanted a shitty a opinion I'd go find it in the National Review, not a bargain knock-off version.
> 10 Surprising Facts About American Health Care
Will number six SHOCK me? Nothing more convincing than a listicle from 2009.
> dailysignal.com
Ugh, if I wanted a shitty a opinion I'd go find it in the National Review, not a bargain knock-off version.
> 10 Surprising Facts About American Health Care
Will number six SHOCK me? Nothing more convincing than a listicle from 2009.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 35 seconds later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #966,002
@965,987 (E)
No one goes to Canada or the UK for "good" healthcare, because they would end up on a 3 year waiting list to be seen by subpar low paid doctors. People in those countries go to USAmerica for good healthcare, and they pay accordingly.
No one goes to Canada or the UK for "good" healthcare, because they would end up on a 3 year waiting list to be seen by subpar low paid doctors. People in those countries go to USAmerica for good healthcare, and they pay accordingly.
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,008
@previous (G)
You are simply wrong. People in Canada and the UK get to see doctors quickly and for free. You have never even been to those countries.
You are simply wrong. People in Canada and the UK get to see doctors quickly and for free. You have never even been to those countries.
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,009
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,014
@966,002 (G)
So if you're poor in America, too bad? What about little Timmy's father? You know Timmy ain't got no mom! His father is all that Timmy has!
So if you're poor in America, too bad? What about little Timmy's father? You know Timmy ain't got no mom! His father is all that Timmy has!
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,021
@966,008 (E)
They get to see a doctor, but actually getting the surgery they need? There is a massive waiting list.
@previous (B)
Just use the emergency room for routine doctor visits like illegal immigrants!
They get to see a doctor, but actually getting the surgery they need? There is a massive waiting list.
@previous (B)
Just use the emergency room for routine doctor visits like illegal immigrants!
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,023
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #966,025
@966,008 (E)
> You are simply wrong. People in Canada and the UK get to see doctors quickly and for free. You have never even been to those countries.
Pffffft..
Never heard of The UK...or The Canadian Dream..
> You are simply wrong. People in Canada and the UK get to see doctors quickly and for free. You have never even been to those countries.
Pffffft..
Never heard of The UK...or The Canadian Dream..
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,046
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,047
@965,977 (A)
> So why is the average American against universal healthcare?
the average american is retarded do you need a better reason
> So why is the average American against universal healthcare?
the average american is retarded do you need a better reason
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,050
@966,021 (G)
WRONG. Again, you have never been to those countries, nor sought healthcare there. You are parroting what Trump and Fox News falsely tell you.
WRONG. Again, you have never been to those countries, nor sought healthcare there. You are parroting what Trump and Fox News falsely tell you.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,070
@previous (E)
Why the fuck are you talking about Trump and fox news? Are you watching CNN like the braindead and the elderly? The entire world laughs at your fake news. You are a typical stupid left-wing American though, willfully ignorant that your country is actually doing well under Trump.
I have been to the UK briefly and Canada twice. I didn't need healthcare at anytime during the visits, but it did come up in conversation. Also in conversation with my friends from there. It's the same story as what we have here and they know it.
I live in a country with "free" healthcare and can tell you it's rubbish. Long wait times for everything, nothing is "free" it's taxed and just subsidized if you earn too much, we have a lack of cancer doctors and clinics and radiotherapists at the moment and if you want to get treatment you either get in line for years or have health insurance and get treated straight away.
Can you imagine if the USAmerican DMV trope was running your healthcare? That's what it's like. But it's slower. My workmate was basically crippled needing a hip replacement and was bumped down the waiting list because people needed urgent surgery and his was not considered urgent. He gave up and paid over $30k to get it done at a private hospital... 30+ years of paying taxes for "free" healthcare and he ends up having to pay for it himself...
It's a shit system, it's corrupt, it's not about patient care, it's about high volume low cost healthcare for people suffering from colds and flu, so the clinic can get as much gov funding as possible.
There's two tiers, paid and unpaid. Two sets of doctors and specialists. Everyone knows the free specialists are working within the system, and treat patient referrals as required by the clinic to get more funding. "Just go home and see if it improves, six months later and you've deteriorated? Well, get on the waiting list I suppose, but my job is to keep people off the waiting list! Are you sure you don't want to just keep taking these pain pills?" Or you pay to see a specialist and they recommend you being treated straight away. Either way you either end up on the list or are able to pay for treatment yourself.
Our gov doctors are unionized and go on strike! Nurses too! It's happened because out hospitals are underfunded, severely lacking in many services, and the whole situation is getting worse! The hospital in my area is one of the worst in the country, and people are reluctant to go there because of how many people get infections or have botched operations and have to go back on the waiting list to get some other doctor and hopefully it's okay this time.
The whole place is a training ground for junior doctors to make their mistakes, get some experience, get good, and then leave! They go and get a decent paying job at a private clinic if they're any good.
Our dental care is "free" too if it's important and not just fillings. I paid to get my wisdom teeth out, and it went very well for $1000/tooth. My friend waited over six months (his teeth and jaw hurt, and my damn ears hurt) before he went to the hospital and had his gums and inside of his cheeks ripped up by a noob... I know this is anecdotal, but it's also extremely common here. I've grown up with this system and I know it well.
While I agree with taxes to provide low cost healthcare for children, and absolutely benefited from it growing up in a low income household, as soon as I was working I had health insurance. I'm not going to be limping around getting hip and back problems because it's taking so long to get my foot sorted, but these pain pills sure are nice!
You're an American aren't you? I can tell. You've never left your fucking county let alone your country and you still live in the same town you went to highschool in. You're either living at home in the basement or still supported by your parents. That's why you think USAmerican McSocialism is going to work and are triggered by Trump and fox news.
If you want universal healthcare, start by going to your local hospital and paying someone else's bills. Do it. Every month donate some of your pay to someone else's healthcare while you also pay for your own. I guarantee that you won't. 100% you are never going to do this.
You don't want to pay for others healthcare. You want other people to pay for your healthcare. That's the whole fucking problem. You are the problem. You have never and will never pay for someone elses healthcare. You are the reason it doesn't work.
Go and pay someone else's medical bill, right now, or shut the fuck up.
/rant
Why the fuck are you talking about Trump and fox news? Are you watching CNN like the braindead and the elderly? The entire world laughs at your fake news. You are a typical stupid left-wing American though, willfully ignorant that your country is actually doing well under Trump.
I have been to the UK briefly and Canada twice. I didn't need healthcare at anytime during the visits, but it did come up in conversation. Also in conversation with my friends from there. It's the same story as what we have here and they know it.
I live in a country with "free" healthcare and can tell you it's rubbish. Long wait times for everything, nothing is "free" it's taxed and just subsidized if you earn too much, we have a lack of cancer doctors and clinics and radiotherapists at the moment and if you want to get treatment you either get in line for years or have health insurance and get treated straight away.
Can you imagine if the USAmerican DMV trope was running your healthcare? That's what it's like. But it's slower. My workmate was basically crippled needing a hip replacement and was bumped down the waiting list because people needed urgent surgery and his was not considered urgent. He gave up and paid over $30k to get it done at a private hospital... 30+ years of paying taxes for "free" healthcare and he ends up having to pay for it himself...
It's a shit system, it's corrupt, it's not about patient care, it's about high volume low cost healthcare for people suffering from colds and flu, so the clinic can get as much gov funding as possible.
There's two tiers, paid and unpaid. Two sets of doctors and specialists. Everyone knows the free specialists are working within the system, and treat patient referrals as required by the clinic to get more funding. "Just go home and see if it improves, six months later and you've deteriorated? Well, get on the waiting list I suppose, but my job is to keep people off the waiting list! Are you sure you don't want to just keep taking these pain pills?" Or you pay to see a specialist and they recommend you being treated straight away. Either way you either end up on the list or are able to pay for treatment yourself.
Our gov doctors are unionized and go on strike! Nurses too! It's happened because out hospitals are underfunded, severely lacking in many services, and the whole situation is getting worse! The hospital in my area is one of the worst in the country, and people are reluctant to go there because of how many people get infections or have botched operations and have to go back on the waiting list to get some other doctor and hopefully it's okay this time.
The whole place is a training ground for junior doctors to make their mistakes, get some experience, get good, and then leave! They go and get a decent paying job at a private clinic if they're any good.
Our dental care is "free" too if it's important and not just fillings. I paid to get my wisdom teeth out, and it went very well for $1000/tooth. My friend waited over six months (his teeth and jaw hurt, and my damn ears hurt) before he went to the hospital and had his gums and inside of his cheeks ripped up by a noob... I know this is anecdotal, but it's also extremely common here. I've grown up with this system and I know it well.
While I agree with taxes to provide low cost healthcare for children, and absolutely benefited from it growing up in a low income household, as soon as I was working I had health insurance. I'm not going to be limping around getting hip and back problems because it's taking so long to get my foot sorted, but these pain pills sure are nice!
You're an American aren't you? I can tell. You've never left your fucking county let alone your country and you still live in the same town you went to highschool in. You're either living at home in the basement or still supported by your parents. That's why you think USAmerican McSocialism is going to work and are triggered by Trump and fox news.
If you want universal healthcare, start by going to your local hospital and paying someone else's bills. Do it. Every month donate some of your pay to someone else's healthcare while you also pay for your own. I guarantee that you won't. 100% you are never going to do this.
You don't want to pay for others healthcare. You want other people to pay for your healthcare. That's the whole fucking problem. You are the problem. You have never and will never pay for someone elses healthcare. You are the reason it doesn't work.
Go and pay someone else's medical bill, right now, or shut the fuck up.
/rant
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,074
@previous (G)
I'm sorry you live in a corrupt shithole country that has crappy healthcare. Please don't take it out on the rest of the world.
I'm sorry you live in a corrupt shithole country that has crappy healthcare. Please don't take it out on the rest of the world.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,084
@previous (F)
Please know what to expect if your healthcare is implemented by bureaucrats, as a bureaucratic system. The system has nothing to do with health and/or care. You will be funding dysfunction.
Bert would make an excellent and well paid middle manager within a "free" healthcare system. People like bert will be in charge of one of the most important things in your life, your health, if you don't have insurance. Keep that in mind and then go pay for someone else's healthcare while you rely on bert for yours.
Please know what to expect if your healthcare is implemented by bureaucrats, as a bureaucratic system. The system has nothing to do with health and/or care. You will be funding dysfunction.
Bert would make an excellent and well paid middle manager within a "free" healthcare system. People like bert will be in charge of one of the most important things in your life, your health, if you don't have insurance. Keep that in mind and then go pay for someone else's healthcare while you rely on bert for yours.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,091
Lots of people have gone to the UK and Canada for the healthcare
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,092
@966,084 (G)
It sounds like you should spend more time bitching about your country and not imaginary scenarios involving other places.
It sounds like you should spend more time bitching about your country and not imaginary scenarios involving other places.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,094
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,095
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Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,098
@previous (G)
I appreciate your cautionary tale about corrupt governmental systems. I'm not sure it applies universally though.
I appreciate your cautionary tale about corrupt governmental systems. I'm not sure it applies universally though.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,099
@previous (F)
I'm not sure you are self sufficient and don't actually live with your parents.
Do you even have health insurance?
I'm not sure you are self sufficient and don't actually live with your parents.
Do you even have health insurance?
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,100
@previous (G)
No, I would be using more periods at the end of my sentences if that were the case. I do have a health policy because it would be silly and irresponsible not to in my position. What bearing does have on anything? Can I count paying into an insurance policy as paying for someone else's healthcare since I'm pretty healthy right now and not using it?
No, I would be using more periods at the end of my sentences if that were the case. I do have a health policy because it would be silly and irresponsible not to in my position. What bearing does have on anything? Can I count paying into an insurance policy as paying for someone else's healthcare since I'm pretty healthy right now and not using it?
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,101
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #966,138
@966,084 (G)
American private healthcare has an insane amount of bureaucracy. Try arguing with them that something is actually covered by your plan lol. You're fighting a several billion dollar company that actively does not want to provide you healthcare because it affects their bottom line. Meanwhile I went to the hospital whole on Medicaid (government run healthcare for poor people) and it was the easiest experience of my life. Government run healthcare can be done poorly or done well.
Also most Americans don't pay for their own health insurance directly anyway. The majority of health plans are paid for by their employer, depressing wages. Just my job for example, I have some of the best private health insurance available, and for me as a healthy mid-20s man with no pre-existing conditions, it costs about $500/month. I'd rather have average government-provided insurance and higher taxes because I am already losing out on $500/mo in wages due to my employer bearing the burden of covering me. And I'm CHEAP to insure.
Also you have this weird idea about paying for other people's healthcare. Buying health insurance is literally paying into a pool that funds other people's healthcare lol. That's what the idea of insurance IS. Because the costs of healthcare are unpredictable and potentially financially catastrophic, you all chip in a little bit per month on the theory that it will be enough to cover the needs of everyone in that pool in a given month.
Also every American funds Medicare & Medicaid through payroll or sales taxes anyway so we are already doing the government healthcare thing whether we use it or not. Why not raise taxes a bit and make it available to everyone?
American private healthcare has an insane amount of bureaucracy. Try arguing with them that something is actually covered by your plan lol. You're fighting a several billion dollar company that actively does not want to provide you healthcare because it affects their bottom line. Meanwhile I went to the hospital whole on Medicaid (government run healthcare for poor people) and it was the easiest experience of my life. Government run healthcare can be done poorly or done well.
Also most Americans don't pay for their own health insurance directly anyway. The majority of health plans are paid for by their employer, depressing wages. Just my job for example, I have some of the best private health insurance available, and for me as a healthy mid-20s man with no pre-existing conditions, it costs about $500/month. I'd rather have average government-provided insurance and higher taxes because I am already losing out on $500/mo in wages due to my employer bearing the burden of covering me. And I'm CHEAP to insure.
Also you have this weird idea about paying for other people's healthcare. Buying health insurance is literally paying into a pool that funds other people's healthcare lol. That's what the idea of insurance IS. Because the costs of healthcare are unpredictable and potentially financially catastrophic, you all chip in a little bit per month on the theory that it will be enough to cover the needs of everyone in that pool in a given month.
Also every American funds Medicare & Medicaid through payroll or sales taxes anyway so we are already doing the government healthcare thing whether we use it or not. Why not raise taxes a bit and make it available to everyone?
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Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 18 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,372
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Why not raise taxes a bit and make it available to everyone?
Fuck off with that noise, there is no need to ever raise taxes. Anytime you are considering raising taxes, just manufacture a few less missiles and bombs.
> Why not raise taxes a bit and make it available to everyone?
Fuck off with that noise, there is no need to ever raise taxes. Anytime you are considering raising taxes, just manufacture a few less missiles and bombs.
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Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,379
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,396
@previous (F)
we dont even use them FFS, when they are about to expire we struggle to find uses for the damn things... why should i pay more taxes while we are wasting tax money on useless munitions?
we dont even use them FFS, when they are about to expire we struggle to find uses for the damn things... why should i pay more taxes while we are wasting tax money on useless munitions?
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,397
@previous (C)
I'm all for trimming the fat on the defense budget, it's just that it's a pipe dream at this point. It would be great if everyone agreed that the problem was that simple.
I'm all for trimming the fat on the defense budget, it's just that it's a pipe dream at this point. It would be great if everyone agreed that the problem was that simple.
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,399
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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 57 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #966,418
@966,138 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
This is true. My insurance plan wouldn't cover shit, and in order to get it changed I had to just hope I spoke to somebody who sympathized with a diabetic being forced to spend 880 dollars a month just on insulin. Eventually I was able to get it changed, but we had to bend the rules a bit.
This is true. My insurance plan wouldn't cover shit, and in order to get it changed I had to just hope I spoke to somebody who sympathized with a diabetic being forced to spend 880 dollars a month just on insulin. Eventually I was able to get it changed, but we had to bend the rules a bit.
MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 2 days later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #967,485
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #967,519
Like... Why do we have to go straight to universal? Let's just start with national healthcare. Universal is way too much.