Topic: Kook, what do you think of Telltale Atheist?
Catherine !ttGirlsPl2 started this discussion 7 years ago #83,963
I honestly like this guy. He's not up his own ass and some of his experience with Jehovah's Witnesses (he was one) is actually fairly interesting. He also makes videos determining what is and what isn't a cult.
His Satanism video was quite interesting and I had no idea there was more than one branch.
His Satanism video was quite interesting and I had no idea there was more than one branch.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 28 minutes later[^] [v] #965,250
Please tell me you're not taking advice on what is and isn't a branch of satanism from a JW, and please don't decide what is and isn't a cult based on what a JW says.
Spoiler alert: Satanism is a pretend religion to ease people who don't want to believe in God anymore into a nice sense of comfort. If that's what you need, fine. A lot of us need a cushion. The Satanic temple is great for a troll thing, but don't actually confuse it with life. A lot of people who leave the religion they were born into do a lot of searching. If you can't deal with the sheer nihilism of no one giving a fuck about you except your parents, that's only human. It takes a lot of searching and humility to admit that you are really the only one who gives a shit about you. It takes a lot of exploring and sometimes a lot of testing to arrive at that. Once you get there, please don't start acting like a selfish bitch. It doesn't make you look like a rebel. There is a lot of good in (part of) what religion has been doing. Keep caring for others and honoring your parents and generally being a shining beacon of virtue. It doesn't matter that God doesn't shine out of your eyes anymore. It's the human part that really makes a difference and endears everyone to you as someone who has true value to yourself and others.
Spoiler alert: Satanism is a pretend religion to ease people who don't want to believe in God anymore into a nice sense of comfort. If that's what you need, fine. A lot of us need a cushion. The Satanic temple is great for a troll thing, but don't actually confuse it with life. A lot of people who leave the religion they were born into do a lot of searching. If you can't deal with the sheer nihilism of no one giving a fuck about you except your parents, that's only human. It takes a lot of searching and humility to admit that you are really the only one who gives a shit about you. It takes a lot of exploring and sometimes a lot of testing to arrive at that. Once you get there, please don't start acting like a selfish bitch. It doesn't make you look like a rebel. There is a lot of good in (part of) what religion has been doing. Keep caring for others and honoring your parents and generally being a shining beacon of virtue. It doesn't matter that God doesn't shine out of your eyes anymore. It's the human part that really makes a difference and endears everyone to you as someone who has true value to yourself and others.
Catherine !ttGirlsPl2 (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,256
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,260
why does the Lord have such a stick up his ass about Satan? He plans to toss him into a lake of fire to suffer forever? what the fuck man
MR STEVEN MNUCHIN joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,261
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,262
@965,256 (Catherine !ttGirlsPl2)
Yeah, I get that. I'm just cautioning against pressing someone to the floor like he does in his videos. I'm all for Bogosian-style rational conversion, but it flies in the face of what people tend to do. Which is usually just making a Christian into a woo-y Christian who seeks out a psychic palm reader or something. I think there is a rational way to explain that religion is a stupid remnant of history in which people cling to traditional beliefs. It just has to be gentle for some people. They need to understand it in steps. I think starting with the idea that understanding your fellow human has to be your guiding star. It's too easy to get caught up in the false god of thinking you're better than them because they don't see the truth. You really need a philosophy where you start at the bottom.
And really, I've listened to a million street epistemology conversations. It's not quite that easy. It takes some stepping back from deeply held beliefs over time. If you pin someone down and tell them they are wrong, they just move over to a new thing. You end up playing a game of whack-a-mole.
Yeah, I get that. I'm just cautioning against pressing someone to the floor like he does in his videos. I'm all for Bogosian-style rational conversion, but it flies in the face of what people tend to do. Which is usually just making a Christian into a woo-y Christian who seeks out a psychic palm reader or something. I think there is a rational way to explain that religion is a stupid remnant of history in which people cling to traditional beliefs. It just has to be gentle for some people. They need to understand it in steps. I think starting with the idea that understanding your fellow human has to be your guiding star. It's too easy to get caught up in the false god of thinking you're better than them because they don't see the truth. You really need a philosophy where you start at the bottom.
And really, I've listened to a million street epistemology conversations. It's not quite that easy. It takes some stepping back from deeply held beliefs over time. If you pin someone down and tell them they are wrong, they just move over to a new thing. You end up playing a game of whack-a-mole.
Anonymous B double-posted this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,265
@965,261 (MR STEVEN MNUCHIN)
Thanks. I'm trying to merge an interest in psychology and religion into one thing. I think understanding other people and their motivations might help society.
Thanks. I'm trying to merge an interest in psychology and religion into one thing. I think understanding other people and their motivations might help society.
Anonymous B triple-posted this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #965,268
@965,256 (Catherine !ttGirlsPl2)
Don't let me put you off actually listening to this person. I think he has a lot to say, and his experiences speak to it. I just watched a bunch a of his videos. He is very compelling. He has a certain wisdom. Just don't let letting go of something propel you into something worse. Just because you are going in a different direction, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right one. It takes time. Just... rein it in. Be skeptical of new places to go until you're sure of what you're stepping into.
Don't let me put you off actually listening to this person. I think he has a lot to say, and his experiences speak to it. I just watched a bunch a of his videos. He is very compelling. He has a certain wisdom. Just don't let letting go of something propel you into something worse. Just because you are going in a different direction, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right one. It takes time. Just... rein it in. Be skeptical of new places to go until you're sure of what you're stepping into.
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Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 7 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #965,271
BTW, I think his view of Mormonism is shallow and vapid. It relies on the Book of Abraham which is a pretend vision in a dream Joe used to excuse himself from some shit while taking a bunch of wives and appealing to a trend in the US of thinking ancient Egyptian artifacts were some kind relics from the holy land. It may have also inadvertently kickstarted the Adam as God doctrine, if the weird kabbalah studies didn't do that earlier. Even faithful Mormons scoff at the idea he "translated" some funeral papyri from some random dude. Not that his view of Mormonism is wrong. Just that he's really making a strawman out of nothing. There is a good deal of racism inherent in Mormonism. Especially once Brigham Young got a hold on the church.
It's obvious I have a lot feelings about this subject. Usually, Becky is here to stop me from doing this. Maybe I should start a blog.
It's obvious I have a lot feelings about this subject. Usually, Becky is here to stop me from doing this. Maybe I should start a blog.
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #965,272
Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #965,274
@previous (cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE)
<3 You and 20 others bb. I can pull you all through the veil.
<3 You and 20 others bb. I can pull you all through the veil.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #965,283
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #965,321
I think that he's pretty down to earth and interesting