Topic: Do you know what serves the interests of white nationalists best?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #83,755
the normalization of white nationalism by tHe LeFt by lumping normal groups like conservatives or *checks notes* Patriots fans together with racists. Blurring the line between normal & racist is just what racists want.Thanks, lefties.
dw ltd joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #963,180
EVERYONE is racist
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,182
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,184
@OP
Illegible gibberish
Illegible gibberish
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,190
@previous (C)
I don't always proofread the tweets and posts from r/The_Donald that I copypaste here. Thanks
I don't always proofread the tweets and posts from r/The_Donald that I copypaste here. Thanks
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,197
@OP
> the normalization of white nationalism by tHe LeFt by lumping normal groups like conservatives or *checks notes* Patriots fans together with racists. Blurring the line between normal & racist is just what racists want.
>
> Thanks, lefties.
OK what's with the alternating uppercase/lowercase bit in the quotes
> the normalization of white nationalism by tHe LeFt by lumping normal groups like conservatives or *checks notes* Patriots fans together with racists. Blurring the line between normal & racist is just what racists want.
>
> Thanks, lefties.
OK what's with the alternating uppercase/lowercase bit in the quotes
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 43 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,198
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,203
it took me longer to read it and didn't feel the drama
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,204
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,212
@963,197 (Sheila LaBoof)
The author is trying to disguise the fact that his idea of tHe LeFt is an ill-conceived strawman made up of anybody who disagrees with his assumptions. I think it's the text equivalent of just repeating something someone said in a ridiculous tone hoping to make it sound bad. Either that or the author is trying to be fair and balanced by blurring the line between patchouli smelling Marxists and normal people who don't like racism. It could be the author is indulging in deep, self-deprecating humor to undermine the very thing he is saying by repeating it as a poorly formed parody of serious thought.
The author is trying to disguise the fact that his idea of tHe LeFt is an ill-conceived strawman made up of anybody who disagrees with his assumptions. I think it's the text equivalent of just repeating something someone said in a ridiculous tone hoping to make it sound bad. Either that or the author is trying to be fair and balanced by blurring the line between patchouli smelling Marxists and normal people who don't like racism. It could be the author is indulging in deep, self-deprecating humor to undermine the very thing he is saying by repeating it as a poorly formed parody of serious thought.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,217
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,232
@previous (A)
I think it's interesting the people on r/The_Donald want to pretend tHe LeFt is somehow responsible for mainstreaming people like Richard Spencer or Gavin McInnes and their views. It's like they want to be the underdogs so hard that they can't imagine a world where someone else doesn't control the narrative. It has to be maddening. It's a bit like inventing a deep state shadow government to blame the problems on because you want to keep thinking of yourself as the outsider challenging the establishment. Actually being the establishment doesn't compute somehow in their heads.
I think it's interesting the people on r/The_Donald want to pretend tHe LeFt is somehow responsible for mainstreaming people like Richard Spencer or Gavin McInnes and their views. It's like they want to be the underdogs so hard that they can't imagine a world where someone else doesn't control the narrative. It has to be maddening. It's a bit like inventing a deep state shadow government to blame the problems on because you want to keep thinking of yourself as the outsider challenging the establishment. Actually being the establishment doesn't compute somehow in their heads.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #963,234
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #963,329
Gavin McInnes is a nutbag clown in a fagbeard
dw ltd replied with this 7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #963,336
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #963,394
@963,232 (E)
> I think it's interesting the people on r/The_Donald want to pretend tHe LeFt is somehow responsible for mainstreaming people like Richard Spencer or Gavin McInnes and their views. It's like they want to be the underdogs so hard that they can't imagine a world where someone else doesn't control the narrative. It has to be maddening. It's a bit like inventing a deep state shadow government to blame the problems on because you want to keep thinking of yourself as the outsider challenging the establishment. Actually being the establishment doesn't compute somehow in their heads.
Wanting to be the underdog seems quite common. You can see this too in the Israel-Palestine conflict where the one thing the two sides can agree on is that the media makes their side look like the overdog instead of the scrappy little David surrounded by well-funded, well-armed Goliaths on all sides. You can't be the Empire, you always have to be the Rebel Alliance. This is okay because you can just redefine stuff until you get the right answer. Republicans control all three houses of government and a ton of state governments? Oh yeah well the media and academia are 90% liberal and that's where the real power is! Obviously reverse this if you're a Democrat.
I’m not sure in what sense Richard Spencer has been “mainstreamed”, though. Can the average person in America publicly support a white ethnostate under their real name and keep their jobs, friends, and social media accounts? To me, mainstreamed would imply that it's a mainstream ideology but I still see the alt-right as not going anywhere and now even declining from a 2016 peak as the hysteria fades and it becomes increasingly clear to the fine people on many sides that Trump is not actually Hitler 2.0 and was never going to be.
That was it. Their God Emperor turned out to be a garden variety Republican. A sheep in wolf's clothing. It's all over but the shouting.
> I think it's interesting the people on r/The_Donald want to pretend tHe LeFt is somehow responsible for mainstreaming people like Richard Spencer or Gavin McInnes and their views. It's like they want to be the underdogs so hard that they can't imagine a world where someone else doesn't control the narrative. It has to be maddening. It's a bit like inventing a deep state shadow government to blame the problems on because you want to keep thinking of yourself as the outsider challenging the establishment. Actually being the establishment doesn't compute somehow in their heads.
Wanting to be the underdog seems quite common. You can see this too in the Israel-Palestine conflict where the one thing the two sides can agree on is that the media makes their side look like the overdog instead of the scrappy little David surrounded by well-funded, well-armed Goliaths on all sides. You can't be the Empire, you always have to be the Rebel Alliance. This is okay because you can just redefine stuff until you get the right answer. Republicans control all three houses of government and a ton of state governments? Oh yeah well the media and academia are 90% liberal and that's where the real power is! Obviously reverse this if you're a Democrat.
I’m not sure in what sense Richard Spencer has been “mainstreamed”, though. Can the average person in America publicly support a white ethnostate under their real name and keep their jobs, friends, and social media accounts? To me, mainstreamed would imply that it's a mainstream ideology but I still see the alt-right as not going anywhere and now even declining from a 2016 peak as the hysteria fades and it becomes increasingly clear to the fine people on many sides that Trump is not actually Hitler 2.0 and was never going to be.
That was it. Their God Emperor turned out to be a garden variety Republican. A sheep in wolf's clothing. It's all over but the shouting.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 19 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #963,399
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #963,449
@963,394 (F)
I don't think you're going to see Richard Spencer's views embraced by mainstream America, so he hasn't been mainstreamed in that sense. But there has been a lot of worry about how much attention should be paid to him and people like him. Organizations interviewing him or giving him time on camera are inserting him into the national conversation and giving him a voice. The press has been having that conversation for a long time - whether interviewing the cranks and the kooks legitimizes them in some way. Giving someone like Spencer a television interview to soft-peddle his racism while hard-selling his grievances in some way gives him a seat at the table. Spencer knows this, and knows it gives him a chance to widen his "alt-lite" base. Trump's pal Bannon knows this better than anyone. Bannon has been trying to kickstart a conservative populist movement since the Tea Party days.
I think all this part of the worry with Trump. I haven't heard him accused of actually having his own opinions in a while, but he has shown that he doesn't shy away from support - even if it comes from pretty dirty places. (for instance, Richard Spencer giving him a Nazi salute back in November 2016) With Trump's talk of immigrants and nationalism playing to that same base, it's not hard for many imagine Trump embracing more and more radical views if he feels like he needs to double down on rallying his base. In this regard, he really isn't a garden variety Republican. He's just a populist demagogue.
I don't think you're going to see Richard Spencer's views embraced by mainstream America, so he hasn't been mainstreamed in that sense. But there has been a lot of worry about how much attention should be paid to him and people like him. Organizations interviewing him or giving him time on camera are inserting him into the national conversation and giving him a voice. The press has been having that conversation for a long time - whether interviewing the cranks and the kooks legitimizes them in some way. Giving someone like Spencer a television interview to soft-peddle his racism while hard-selling his grievances in some way gives him a seat at the table. Spencer knows this, and knows it gives him a chance to widen his "alt-lite" base. Trump's pal Bannon knows this better than anyone. Bannon has been trying to kickstart a conservative populist movement since the Tea Party days.
I think all this part of the worry with Trump. I haven't heard him accused of actually having his own opinions in a while, but he has shown that he doesn't shy away from support - even if it comes from pretty dirty places. (for instance, Richard Spencer giving him a Nazi salute back in November 2016) With Trump's talk of immigrants and nationalism playing to that same base, it's not hard for many imagine Trump embracing more and more radical views if he feels like he needs to double down on rallying his base. In this regard, he really isn't a garden variety Republican. He's just a populist demagogue.