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Topic: Kook, do you really believe that hip hop is more damaging to young blacks than racism?

Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #82,595

If so, why?

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later[^] [v] #953,200

inb4 tortured circular logic blaming racism on black people!

Captain Kate Carr joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #953,204

*in recent years

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #953,230

Baby it's cold outside has the worst lyrics possible. Rap songs pale in comparison

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #953,258

Yes because it encourages a self destructive lifestyle

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #953,259

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Most modern-day hip-hop songs are about money and sex. If you're having a ton of sex and make a lot of money. How is that self-destructive?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,261

Do you know how many black men I know that do nothing but work on a rap career that will go nowhere? They spend all day smoking weed and raw dogging whores. Where I live we have atrocious std levels among the black people and particularly high rates of HIV. We also have so many men who have like 8-12 illegitimate children a piece with like 6-7 different women.
Also the little money that they do make is spent on jewelry, expensive clothes, and car modifications.
I wish that you could see how bad it is here.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,262

@953,259 (A)
You don't think that having a ton of sex can be destructive? What century are you from?
As for making money, they try to rap to do that and 9 out of 10 people are shit at it

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,263

@953,200 (B)
Racism caused the start of this toxic culture, that is true

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 19 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,264

@953,261 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
And these alleged phenomena are because of hip-hop? ?

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 24 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,265

@953,258 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
In what way
What hip-hop encourages a self destructive lifestyle

Captain Kate Carr triple-posted this 7 years ago, 45 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,267

Do you realize most hip-hop fans do not in fact follow the stereotypes you just described

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,268

@953,264 (Captain Kate Carr)
You know nothing about American blacks and I've argued about this with you before. If you don't even believe that these things are happening to black Americans, than I can not discuss this with you.
People who live around black people actually see these things happening.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,269

@953,267 (Captain Kate Carr)
How do you know that? Also I am not talking about hip-hop fans, but specifically American blacks

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,270

@953,268 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Where did I say it doesn't happen and how do these things stem from hip-hop

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Umm because that's what stereotypes are? Do you think most black people are in a gang because they heard someone talk about big asses over an 808 once?

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,273

also do you realise you are literaly reciting right wing fox news talking points

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 10 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,274

@953,270 (Captain Kate Carr)
We've talked about this before and you were like none of this stuff affects the black people I know and I said things are fucking different here.
Not all black people are in gangs but a disproportionate amount are! That's the fucking point

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 45 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,275

This topic makes me really sad and I don't think that I even want to talk about it
Things are truly horrible here

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,277

@953,274 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> and you were like none of this stuff affects the black people I know and I said things are fucking different here.
never said that

> Not all black people are in gangs but a disproportionate amount are! That's the fucking point

right and you believe this issue to stem from a music genre?

(Edited 35 seconds later.)

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,279

this is like people who believe video games cause school shootings and porn causes rape

Mr. Ray Parker Jr. joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,280

lol

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,281

@953,279 (Captain Kate Carr)
I think porn causes unhealthy attitudes towards sex and encourages men to push women to participate in more extreme sex acts like deepthroating and anal sex. I think that it can also make it harder for a man to properly perform when he is having sex with women do to death grip syndrome

(Edited 4 minutes later.)

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,283

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Wow is that why they are called death grips

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,284

@953,275 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Aren't you a middle aged unmarried low-income menial-job worker who lives with relatives? I'm not sure you're best placed to be so distressed about other demographics. To the vast majority of people your age, you're a loser.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 55 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,285

@953,277 (Captain Kate Carr)
You did say that though, we had a huge discussion about it. White people aren't making blacks commit so many gun crimes, or join gangs, or not use condoms. Those things have improved amongst the gay population and they are some of the most marginalized people on earth. So why is that?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,287

@953,284 (G)
I can't care about other people? My age makes me a loser? My single status does? My income?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,288

@953,283 (Captain Kate Carr)
Yes.
I had a friend who had that and could no longer fuck anyone

(Edited 9 seconds later.)

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,289

> some Dutch ni?️?️a who has never seen black people outside of Hollywood movies is an expert on Hip-hop culture ?

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,290

@953,285 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No I didn't say that. These things have also improved among black populations. Do you think these issues stem from a music genre?

Mr. Ray Parker Jr. replied with this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,291

@953,283 (Captain Kate Carr)

> Wow is that why they are called death grips

hahaha ZING

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 15 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,292

@953,289 (H)
This is just a racist version of rock music causing satanism

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,293

@953,290 (Captain Kate Carr)
I think it comes from glorifying such culture. Not necessarily that hip hop causes it. You know what I mean?

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,294

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
In what way does hip-hop glorify that culture?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 6 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,295

@953,292 (Captain Kate Carr)
Is it racist if it pertains to any non white race?

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,296

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 38 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,297

@953,294 (Captain Kate Carr)
Because it shows all sorts of bad behavior as improving peoples lives. Also "street cred" is a powerful form of social income

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,298

@953,289 (H)
This is how I feel about it

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,299

@953,296 (Captain Kate Carr)
So how is this racist? If I see things that seem to be negatively impacting the black people around me, and it worries me, how is it racist?

Mr. Ray Parker Jr. replied with this 7 years ago, 26 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,300

@953,297 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
it's just music kook

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,301

@953,297 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Specifically which artists

Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,302

@953,299 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
If you liked yourself and had a fulfilling love life you wouldn't care about this shit. You're burying your unhappiness beneath pretend despair about social issues.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 4 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,303

@953,300 (Mr. Ray Parker Jr.)
I know. I'm all riled up because of my period

Mr. Ray Parker Jr. replied with this 7 years ago, 37 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,304

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I know sorry about it

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,305

@953,301 (Captain Kate Carr)
I'll name one, Kevin Gates. He brags about having his bitches fuck his digs before they can get with him. He was insanely popular here.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,307

@953,302 (G)
Of course I hate myself, great insight dipshit.
And "fake despair"? I hardly even talk about this unless its brought up to me. So fuck off with that.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 15 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,308

@953,304 (Mr. Ray Parker Jr.)
Thank you for the sympathy

Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,312

@953,307 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Calm down you hysterical woman. Don't take your miserable self-loathing out on others.

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,313

@953,305 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
do you think he sincerely meant that line? you know its fiction right?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,315

@953,312 (G)
Fuck off with your misogyny, Satan. No one told you to come into this thread

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,316

Externally hosted imagetangentially related meme

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 28 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,317

@953,313 (Captain Kate Carr)
How do you know its fiction, and if it is, what idea did he mean to express? That women mean nothing to him? That his clout makes dog fucking desirable?

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,318

@953,316 (Captain Kate Carr)
Most other genres don't call women bitch left and right
You care less when black people do it. How about that?

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,320

@953,315 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

> Fuck off with your misogyny, Satan. No one told you to come into this thread

This place doesn't operate on an invite basis you dumb twat. People post in whatever threads they want. Now calm yourself you dried-up old spinster.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 33 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,321

@953,263 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> toxic culture
Calm down there Tipper Gore. The kids are okay. Hip hop is pretty mainstream nowadays.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 34 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,323

@953,320 (G)

> > Fuck off with your misogyny, Satan. No one told you to come into this thread
>
> This place doesn't operate on an invite basis you dumb twat. People post in whatever threads they want. Now calm yourself you dried-up old spinster.

Why did you want to be so up close with my miserable self loathing?
Do you enjoy it just a little bit.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 49 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,324

@953,321 (B)
Are they though? They aren't okay where I live. They really aren't. I wish that you could see what I'm talking about.

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,327

@953,317 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

> How do you know its fiction
he is a married man no one is making women fuck their dogs

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,328

@953,318 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
most other genres do have their fair share of sexual abusers and rapists though. no one cares about hearing bitch in a rap song.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 46 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,330

@953,327 (Captain Kate Carr)
Being married means nothing. I believe people when they tell me negative things about themselves

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 56 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,331

@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
what song are you talking about anyway i only know 2 kevin gates songs and i have not heard them in like 2 years

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 2 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,332

@953,324 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I believe you. I'm sure people have it rough where you live. I don't know that I'm as willing as you are to blame it on their music tastes though.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 33 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,333

@953,328 (Captain Kate Carr)
You don't care because you're a man. Why would you care?
Abuse happens across the board regarding entertainment, but that doesn't mean all entertainment is equal

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 23 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,334

@953,331 (Captain Kate Carr)
It was in an interview

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 18 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,336

@953,331 (Captain Kate Carr)
It was in an interview

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC quadruple-posted this 7 years ago, 36 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,337

@953,332 (B)
I'm being non argumentative when I say this.
Do you ever think about what might cause it?

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 21 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,338

@953,333 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

> You don't care because you're a man. Why would you care?
no one cares not even bad b riri
> Abuse happens across the board regarding entertainment, but that doesn't mean all entertainment is equal
ok so david bowie is fine because he didnt call anyone a bitch but kendrick lamar is a misogynist

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 25 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,340

@953,336 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
what interview

Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 42 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,341

@953,323 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

> > > Fuck off with your misogyny, Satan. No one told you to come into this thread
> >
> > This place doesn't operate on an invite basis you dumb twat. People post in whatever threads they want. Now calm yourself you dried-up old spinster.
>
> Why did you want to be so up close with my miserable self loathing?
> Do you enjoy it just a little bit.

I'm indifferent to your feelings. I just enjoy pointing out that you're deflecting your understandable self-loathing onto pretending to care about social problems. Black's aren't your problem. You are. And now I'm done with you. You get boring real fast. So long dumb twat.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,343

@previous (G)
Blacks aren't my problem, they are their own problem.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,344

@953,338 (Captain Kate Carr)
If David Bowie injects his music with misogyny, I WOULD like to know. I am not familiar enough with him to have references. Please tell me about them.

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 23 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,345

@953,343 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
well arguably racism is a bigger problem for the average black person than some songs

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 5 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,346

@953,340 (Captain Kate Carr)
I have no idea. I don't keep collections of rapper interviews

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 46 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,347

@953,345 (Captain Kate Carr)
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC triple-posted this 7 years ago, 34 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,348

I can't use this topic anymore. Its driving me crazy

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,349

@953,345 (Captain Kate Carr)

> well arguably racism is a bigger problem for the average black person than some songs

Hmm? Which is a bigger problem? Racism? Or racist songs? Hmm.

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 20 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,350

@953,299 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
because ask literally any black person and they will tell you that you are wrong about your views on hip-hop

what rap records have you heard to come to your various conclusions

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 22 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,351

@953,349 (I)
wait the songs are racist now?

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,353

@953,337 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Do you ever think about what might cause it?
I do! There are probably a lot of factors that feed into it. Probably far more than I could imagine. And I'm sure every person's story is different to some degree. We can probably agree that racism is bad, but I feel like you're maybe painting with too broad a brush by condemning a music genre as toxic on the basis of some artists. I may mischaracterizing your take on it though as I'm not sure entirely what you meant by toxic culture.

Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,354

Ionize anonG2merrin

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,365

@953,343 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)

> Blacks aren't my problem, they are their own problem.

oh yeah this is what it comes down to though

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,409

@953,275 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I think you and I should be a natural born killer kind of couple that went around cleansing the earth of black nastiness..
Just call to me darling..

Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,423

@953,344 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Oh I wasn't talking about his music I was talking about him

Captain Kate Carr double-posted this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #953,425

@953,321 (B)
In fact the most popular genre!

MR STEVEN MNUCHIN triple-posted this 7 years ago, 11 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #953,550

Also in case anyone stumbles upon this topic, it does not contain any evidence that hip-hop has had any detrimental effect on society either in the US or elsewhere.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #953,553

Kook, what is your opinion on rappers getting whiter?

Eminem (the original white rap daddy), Vanilla Ice (the failed attempt at being Eminem), and Post Malone.

Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #953,561

@previous (A)

> Kook, what is your opinion on rappers getting whiter?
>
> Eminem (the original white rap daddy), Vanilla Ice (the failed attempt at being Eminem), and Post Malone.

Rap is a Nigger game. Don't you get that?

MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #953,571

@953,553 (A)
Lou the Human is a good white rapper

Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 49 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #953,579

@953,553 (A)
> Vanilla Ice
The world just wasn't ready for a white rapper in 1990.

Anonymous H double-posted this 7 years ago, 23 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #953,925

Just look what hip-hop culture did to Eco. It's so corrosive it basically turned him into a ghetto black man. And he's 100% white!!!

Now if it can do this to white people, why not black people??

Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #953,937

Eco is a yankee punk bitch..

Ks joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 12 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #954,189

I agree with kook. The music perpetuates racism and promotes toxic culture.

MR STEVEN MNUCHIN replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #954,193

Here is Kendrick's response btw

https://youtu.be/Kh2aG57JrEc

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #954,206

Kook, every bit of sociological insight you offer makes both you and everyone here unfortunate enough to stumble upon it marginally stupider.

You are like a scientific mishap involving a dozen drive time talk radio call-in regulars.

Ks replied with this 7 years ago, 35 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #954,208

@previous (M)
Well, that's just not very nice.

Miss FAITH OKEKE replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #954,231

@954,189 (Ks)
how?
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