> Christians would not chop off heads in spite of it.
You sure about that?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 59 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,771
According to a Pew Forum estimate, in 2017 there were 3.45 million Muslims, constituting about 1.1% of the total U.S. population. A Pew Forum report on American religion found that Muslims accounted for 0.9% of American adults in 2014, up from 0.4% in 2007, due largely to immigration.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage which computes to roughly 174 Muslims support gay marriage.
A third of Americans believe animals deserve same rights as people, poll finds.
328,953,020 = Total US Population. This means 99 Million people in USA support a dogs right to marry a human.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,778
@946,756 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yeah that's what I was thinking. This is how Fake News works.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 19 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,783
Captain Kate Carr joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,785
Neat
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,790
@946,771 (E)
Did thee thy or eye's MATH MATH MATH cause the space shuttles to expload re: teacher on board?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 20 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,802
@946,778 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I mean it's like, the same people who sound the alarm about muslims not "integrating" into america and adopting our values are not also concerned about evangelical Christians failing to do the same, even though on many social issues muslims are more in line with mainstream U.S. opinion than evangelicals. Almost as if the concern about muslims not fitting in is rooted in...something other than the facts on the ground!
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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,828
> I mean it's like, the same people who sound the alarm about muslims not "integrating" into america and adopting our values are not also concerned about evangelical Christians failing to do the same, even though on many social issues muslims are more in line with mainstream U.S. opinion than evangelicals. Almost as if the concern about muslims not fitting in is rooted in...something other than the facts on the ground!
Are you a pro Palestine jew now?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,832
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,837
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I mean it's like, the same people who sound the alarm about muslims not "integrating" into Israel and adopting their values are not also concerned about evangelical Christians failing to do the same, even though on many social issues muslims are more in line with mainstream Israeli opinion than evangelicals. Almost as if the concern about muslims not fitting in is rooted in...something other than the facts on the ground!
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,842
@946,756 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Are they more hard line Christians?
As a group, they are certainly more hard line about legislating their brand of Christianity for others to follow. They've also been a big political factor in the US since at least the Bush era. We've been talking about evangelicals as a group for decades now.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,843
@946,802 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But if we already don't like those type of people, why in the hell should we ship in more?
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 58 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,844
@946,842 (L)
I just think its weird that they asked them instead of normal Christians. Seems rigged.
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,846
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It's about as rigged as a Democrat primary
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,848
@946,844 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Where do you draw the line to define "normal" Christians? Most of the US identifies with some kind of Christianity - even the people who maybe only think about religion when grandma drags them to church on Easter Sunday.
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,849
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,851
@946,837 (K)
Are you ok? @946,843 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
What the fuck?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,857
@946,848 (L)
I don't even know. I just never considered Evangelicals to be normal
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 38 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,858
@946,851 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Polls like this are made to try and convince people that letting in more Muslims is a good idea
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,860
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Or it's made to...accurately capture the opinions of various groups of people in the country.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 44 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,861
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I disagree. I think it has an agenda.
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,862
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
He keeps his head in the sand. It's wilfully ignorant
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 6 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,863
@946,861 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The news article does but the study doesn't seem to have a pro-muslim agenda. It's pretty clearly pro-gay marriage though imo.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,864
@946,862 (K)
You literally don't even live in our country you dirty foreigner.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,866
@946,863 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
But why wouldn't they compare Muslims to Jews for instance? That makes more sense to me
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 4 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,867
@946,857 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > I just never considered Evangelicals to be normal
I don't either, but they are a relatively vocal and politically active group. They are certainly relevant enough to talk about with people like Pence in the VP spot. I don't think the comparison casts evangelicals in an unfair light or says anything they wouldn't tell anyone straight out. They tend to be traditional and slow to accept anything different, and they don't tolerate anything different in others. It's great that you are asking why one group was compared to another in the way it was. I wish everyone did that with all the news.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,868
@previous (L)
And the difference was only 7 percent. While Jehovah's Witnesses (the majority of which are not white) only like 13% support gay marriage
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,869
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Facts are racist though
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,870
@946,756 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Probably because evangelicals are the more homophobic branch of Christianity whereas regular Christians are opening up to the idea of same-sex marriage.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,871
Most religious groups in the U.S. now support same-sex marriage, including overwhelming majorities of Unitarians (97%), Buddhists (80%), the religiously unaffiliated (80%), Jewish Americans (77%), and Hindus (75%). Roughly two-thirds of white mainline Protestants (67%), white Catholics (66%), Orthodox Christians (66%), and Hispanic Catholics (65%) also favor same-sex marriage. A slim majority of Muslims (51%) favor same-sex marriage, but only 34% are opposed; 15% offer no opinion on this issue.
Again, the Newsweek article is shit, the survey it links to is actually informative.
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 3 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,872
@946,868 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It's about what I would expect for the Jehovah's Witnesses given their demographic. I thought the 40% support among the Mormons was a bit surprising.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,880
@946,871 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Thats not what the article lead with though. Thats what bugs me
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,881
Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 29 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,884
@946,880 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I would have liked to see the article lead with the massive generational differences. I think that's a way more interesting story. But I don't work in publishing. An article about evangelicals being more out of touch with popular opinion than US Muslims probably drives more clicks. It's probably also worthwhile to call attention to groups like evangelicals and Mormons as vocal minorities that are somewhat over-represented in politics. The Newsweek article uses the numbers to make an interesting observation that makes for a headline that will probably get people reading it.
Captain Kate Carr replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,916
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,917
@previous (Captain Kate Carr)
I did. Thank you for suggesting it
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,918
@946,884 (L)
Do the Mormons have much influence in politics outside of heavily Mormon areas? I remember there being a lot of talk in 2012 about Mitt Romney not being able to connect with evangelicals because they didn't consider Mormons to be Christian.
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 7 years ago, 18 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,920
@946,802 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
The thing that bugs me about the survey is they're comparing the really hardcore Christians with Muslims as a whole. I understand the Muslim sample size probably wasn't big enough to break it out into Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi, Sufi, etc but it comes off as dishonest.
If I'm reading the actual survey correctly, you could just as truthfully say that Christians as a whole are more supportive of gay rights than Muslims and therefore more "American". Or that a much larger majority of white Americans support gay marriage than black Americans (63% vs 52%) so black Americans are homophobic and not integrating very well.
I guess what I mean is Breitbart and The Huffington Post could use this equally well to advance their narrative.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 29 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,928
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Again, the STUDY does make all these comparisons and more. The linked Newsweek article does not.
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Anonymous L replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#946,930
@946,918 (Meta !Sober//iZs) > Do the Mormons have much influence in politics outside of heavily Mormon areas?
Definitely. Look at some of their efforts in regards to gay marriage legislation in Hawaii and California. Look at the number of Mormons in Congress compared to their percentage of the country's population as a whole. They aren't trying to outlaw Coca-Cola and infant baptisms, but the LDS is headed by old people whose beliefs often align with the evangelicals in a lot of ways. They have a lot of money to throw around, and they don't mind legislating their morality.
> I remember there being a lot of talk in 2012 about Mitt Romney not being able to connect with evangelicals because they didn't consider Mormons to be Christian.
Yeah, this is fun issue. The Mormons align with the evangelicals in a lot of ways, and it is advantageous for them to attach themselves to the evangelical crowd politically. The evangelicals don't really feel the same though. There was a lot of hand wringing after 2012 over whether the choice of Romney cost them votes. The two groups seem to belong in the same bucket though as they both want to politicize issues that old, white, religious middle-class Americans get easily upset about.
> The thing that bugs me about the survey is they're comparing the really hardcore Christians with Muslims as a whole. I understand the Muslim sample size probably wasn't big enough to break it out into Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi, Sufi, etc but it comes off as dishonest.
Sure, it's nice you're thinking about the comparisons the author is making. If only people were critical of all the news like this. I've read a bunch stories over the past month from authors who think that allowing hats in Congress means we're one step away from Sharia law, and I have yet to see anyone complain about how those guys are just the crooked media bending the facts to fit their narrative.
I don't know if I would call it dishonest. It does say "White Evangelical Christians" in the headline. It's not like they're sneaking one past you.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#947,035
@946,928 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Sorry I meant the Newsweek article was comparing the Christian hardcore with all American Muslims, not the underlying survey. My bad!
@previous (L) > Look at the number of Mormons in Congress compared to their percentage of the country's population as a whole.
I actually did and it was interesting! Apparently there were 17 of them in 2013 (Deseret News), seven senators and ten representatives. According to Wikipedia they're 2.04% of the US. So their representation by share of population in the Senate and House is about 350% and 110% respectively. Not bad!
> Yeah, this is fun issue. The Mormons align with the evangelicals in a lot of ways, and it is advantageous for them to attach themselves to the evangelical crowd politically. The evangelicals don't really feel the same though. There was a lot of hand wringing after 2012 over whether the choice of Romney cost them votes. The two groups seem to belong in the same bucket though as they both want to politicize issues that old, white, religious middle-class Americans get easily upset about.
Yeah it made no sense to me at all. Especially since they were 100% on the same page for policy issues. It wouldn't even be like one of those "enemy of my enemy" temporary alliance things but a "we agree on literally everything except Joseph Smith" alliance. In retrospect I think it might have been nothing since Trump didn't have this problem despite being the least Christian president ever in American history. Or maybe evangelicals learned from 2012 and decided to accept "good enough" Trump over the more ideologically pure (but even less electable) Cruz?
> Sure, it's nice you're thinking about the comparisons the author is making. If only people were critical of all the news like this. I've read a bunch stories over the past month from authors who think that allowing hats in Congress means we're one step away from Sharia law, and I have yet to see anyone complain about how those guys are just the crooked media bending the facts to fit their narrative.
Again, I don't think Newsweek is lying. It is objectively true. White evangelicals oppose gay marriage at rate higher than Muslims. But I think it's a misleading way of interpreting the data.
> I don't know if I would call it dishonest. It does say "White Evangelical Christians" in the headline. It's not like they're sneaking one past you.
It is one of many conclusions you could draw from the survey. Why I feel it's dishonest is because it's comparing the hardest core part of Christianity against all of American Islam (which I'm guessing includes lots of moderates and some people who aren't so moderate) and then saying "see, Islam is more progressive than white Christianity". If it said, say, "fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims both opposed to gay marriage" it would be honest but boring. Instead it's "the fundamentalist part of this religion is more intolerant than all of this religion" which isn't, in my opinion, a good comparison.