Topic: If you had to choose sincerely between zizek or Jordan peterson?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #81,441
> both don't like pc culture> both have soviet art in house
> both use psychoanalysis in their world view
> both think state of things are wacky
> both think we in troubled times
> both had troubled times
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #944,972
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,975
Don't know either
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,976
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 25 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,977
I don't know what a zizek is
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 8 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,978
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,981
I'd rather kill myself than listen to either tbh.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 42 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,983
@944,978 (C)
Then a research is needed to make a sincere decision, bro. At least a quick Google session
Then a research is needed to make a sincere decision, bro. At least a quick Google session
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 18 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,984
Whom and what?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 13 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #944,985
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,019
@previous (C)
I'd choose both. On youtube they can be found using movies to emphasize their points, i guess though that despite their uncanny resemblance, the main difference between them two is that zizek is all about changing the big picture, about changing capitalism by finding a new alternative. JP is skeptical about changing capitalism, it's not only that he hates communism, he hates how people are waiting for a alternative which he doesn't think will exist any time soon.
I'd choose both. On youtube they can be found using movies to emphasize their points, i guess though that despite their uncanny resemblance, the main difference between them two is that zizek is all about changing the big picture, about changing capitalism by finding a new alternative. JP is skeptical about changing capitalism, it's not only that he hates communism, he hates how people are waiting for a alternative which he doesn't think will exist any time soon.
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,023
@previous (A)
Capitalism is the big evil and if they are capitalists the revolution will come for them
Capitalism is the big evil and if they are capitalists the revolution will come for them
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,024
@previous (C)
Even though you're just being funny, what if you weren't and you were serious? Then you'd better pray to God that your words are true, because if they aren't, you would be guilty of making the working class adapt to a system never arrived and therefore made them so much more defenseless against the system that currently is. This is a crime comparable to the holocaust.
Even though you're just being funny, what if you weren't and you were serious? Then you'd better pray to God that your words are true, because if they aren't, you would be guilty of making the working class adapt to a system never arrived and therefore made them so much more defenseless against the system that currently is. This is a crime comparable to the holocaust.
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,026
@previous (A)
I am being 100 percent serious and you should read my text voice in an intense manner. It is true. Europe is crying out for a revolution. Death to the bakers!
I am being 100 percent serious and you should read my text voice in an intense manner. It is true. Europe is crying out for a revolution. Death to the bakers!
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,031
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #945,032
@945,026 (C)
What do hardcore atheists do when they want to fuck up Christianity? They post pictures of roman soldiers fucking christ, Christianity survived even ib the soviet union which wanted them dead. Even the Christians themselves can be charged with the highest treason against Christianity with all the scandalous news involving priests and children, if you know what i mean.
I'm saying that physical violence is useless against a system if you don't have anything to replace it, can communism replace capitalism in Europe? Even if it could do that, could it somehow manage to survive the transitional terror which would happen as a result?
What do hardcore atheists do when they want to fuck up Christianity? They post pictures of roman soldiers fucking christ, Christianity survived even ib the soviet union which wanted them dead. Even the Christians themselves can be charged with the highest treason against Christianity with all the scandalous news involving priests and children, if you know what i mean.
I'm saying that physical violence is useless against a system if you don't have anything to replace it, can communism replace capitalism in Europe? Even if it could do that, could it somehow manage to survive the transitional terror which would happen as a result?
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,036
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,037
@previous (H)
I guess so but maybe there's so few of them real hardcore atheists, since the example i gave is the most "hardcore" encountered.
I guess so but maybe there's so few of them real hardcore atheists, since the example i gave is the most "hardcore" encountered.
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,038
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,040
@945,037 (A)
What makes an atheist "hardcore" in your opinion? What would be some defining characteristics?
What makes an atheist "hardcore" in your opinion? What would be some defining characteristics?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,042
@previous (H)
A hardcore atheist isn't really something that exists, it's just a i use to represent the loudest of atheists which i guess are more likable than the loudest religious people. At the very worst, like hypothetically, a hardcore atheist would deny his own divinity, his individuality would be nothing special to him and neither would it be to anyone else nor theirs to him. When a family would die, he wouldn't worry because there's plenty of "families" in the broad scientific sense.
A hardcore atheist isn't really something that exists, it's just a i use to represent the loudest of atheists which i guess are more likable than the loudest religious people. At the very worst, like hypothetically, a hardcore atheist would deny his own divinity, his individuality would be nothing special to him and neither would it be to anyone else nor theirs to him. When a family would die, he wouldn't worry because there's plenty of "families" in the broad scientific sense.
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,047
@previous (A)
> his individuality would be nothing special to him and neither would it be to anyone else nor theirs to him. When a family would die, he wouldn't worry because there's plenty of "families" in the broad scientific sense.
It sounds like you're describing an emotional problem rather than a theological one.
> his individuality would be nothing special to him and neither would it be to anyone else nor theirs to him. When a family would die, he wouldn't worry because there's plenty of "families" in the broad scientific sense.
It sounds like you're describing an emotional problem rather than a theological one.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,049
@previous (H)
I think you are misperciving. To be fair, it can be alluring to not only see everyone as a number but my too. For example, a brutal maniac could violent appear and murder not only me but everyone i love, a horrible thing to imagine right? Well, it's not so horrible if you genuinely believe that the family next door is the same family as yours.
I think you are misperciving. To be fair, it can be alluring to not only see everyone as a number but my too. For example, a brutal maniac could violent appear and murder not only me but everyone i love, a horrible thing to imagine right? Well, it's not so horrible if you genuinely believe that the family next door is the same family as yours.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,052
More like Slovak Seasick amirite ?
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,053
@945,049 (A)
> if you genuinely believe that the family next door is the same family as yours
That sounds like a problem perceiving individual identity. I'm not sure what that has to do with spiritual beliefs.
> if you genuinely believe that the family next door is the same family as yours
That sounds like a problem perceiving individual identity. I'm not sure what that has to do with spiritual beliefs.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,061
@945,052 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
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@previous (H)
It is a problem because it leaves out your own individuality. Your own sense of yourself isn't built on rationality, it's a complex psychological process which is fragile. I think that a "hardcore atheist" would prefer the rational over the irrational. Needs and desires aren't rational, like the needing of a God or the desiring of a after life.
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@previous (H)
It is a problem because it leaves out your own individuality. Your own sense of yourself isn't built on rationality, it's a complex psychological process which is fragile. I think that a "hardcore atheist" would prefer the rational over the irrational. Needs and desires aren't rational, like the needing of a God or the desiring of a after life.
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,064
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,067
@previous (H)
Rationality. Rationally, I'm far more similar to people instead of special or whatever.
Rationality. Rationally, I'm far more similar to people instead of special or whatever.
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,068
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,071
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,160
@previous (A)
Why do think that is an atheist belief? Why do you think rationality erodes a sense of individuality? Do you think individuality is essentially an irrational belief?
Why do think that is an atheist belief? Why do you think rationality erodes a sense of individuality? Do you think individuality is essentially an irrational belief?
Big Daddy Derek™ !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 31 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #945,165
@OP
Jordan Peterson is the White man's philosopher. Thanks.
Jordan Peterson is the White man's philosopher. Thanks.