Topic: Do you believe Obama was born in Kenya?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #8,140
| Poll option | Votes | Percentage | Graph |
|---|---|---|---|
| I believe he was born in Kenya | 8 | 40% | |
| I believe he was born in the USA | 11 | 55% | |
| I believe he was not born in the USA but also not born in Kenya | 1 | 5% |
Falco !PZmcClOUDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later[^] [v] #141,898
lold at pic
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #141,900
Fuck you Brian Wilson joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #141,920
swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #142,018
No, why would I believe that?
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,069
@previous (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
people claim all the documents are fake. I am unconvinced by their arguments.
people claim all the documents are fake. I am unconvinced by their arguments.
swamplights !!V3J448+/B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,072
@previous (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
So am I. Do they actually think that he managed to fool everyone?
So am I. Do they actually think that he managed to fool everyone?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,210
I prefer how David Icke believes all US presidents and British royals are actually reptilian aliens in human skin. It just is really a way of sticking it to the man. http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/18281-barack-obama-the-naked-emperor
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 39 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,238
@142,072 (swamplights !!V3J448+/B)
They haven't "fooled" everyone. A good percentage of people do not believe or have doubts about the official story.
They haven't "fooled" everyone. A good percentage of people do not believe or have doubts about the official story.
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RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,380
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RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,420
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,590
@142,069 (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
The birth cert is photoshopped you can open it yourself and see the layers.
The birth cert is photoshopped you can open it yourself and see the layers.
r04r joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,592
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
not sure if troll...
...if not, layers aren't kept in jpg, png or gif. They're flattened.
not sure if troll...
...if not, layers aren't kept in jpg, png or gif. They're flattened.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,595
@142,590 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
@previous (r04r)
Handel can you please explain yourself more? I have heard this said before, but my understanding was in line with r04r's.
@previous (r04r)
Handel can you please explain yourself more? I have heard this said before, but my understanding was in line with r04r's.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,596
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,597
@142,592 (r04r)
Go onto the site r04r and open it yourself in Photoshop. I think it's on the offical government agency website. I don't have a link for it currently because I'm on the iTouch but I can get you one later if you don't find it.
Go onto the site r04r and open it yourself in Photoshop. I think it's on the offical government agency website. I don't have a link for it currently because I'm on the iTouch but I can get you one later if you don't find it.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 45 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,599
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,604
@142,597 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
@previous (r04r)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/President_Barack_Obama%27s_long_form_birth_certificate.jpg
@previous (r04r)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/President_Barack_Obama%27s_long_form_birth_certificate.jpg
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,606
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,608
@previous (r04r)Same.
I'm sure the US government would have better programs than Photoshop at their disposal anyway.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,610
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,613
The exif from the short form birth certificate he released in 2008 says "Software - Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh".
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F51%2FBarackObamaCertificationOfLiveBirthHawaii.jpg
http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F51%2FBarackObamaCertificationOfLiveBirthHawaii.jpg
(Edited 54 seconds later.)
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,614
@142,610 (r04r)
http://www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/birth-certificatelongform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
http://www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/birth-certificatelongform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,618
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Eh, I call bullshit but I don't have illustrator and really don't care.
Eh, I call bullshit but I don't have illustrator and really don't care.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,621
@previous (r04r)
How do you can bullshit? The file is there for anyone to download and view. It's divided into fucking layers, I'm sure you're well aware a scanned piece of paper isn't broken down into layers.
How do you can bullshit? The file is there for anyone to download and view. It's divided into fucking layers, I'm sure you're well aware a scanned piece of paper isn't broken down into layers.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,622
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
And if you look at what's left when the layers are toggled its a white-ish outline of the original. More like touching it up because it ended up being unreadable.
If it really was faked like that they would've taken it down and replaced it with a non-layered version already.
And if you look at what's left when the layers are toggled its a white-ish outline of the original. More like touching it up because it ended up being unreadable.
If it really was faked like that they would've taken it down and replaced it with a non-layered version already.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,624
I care but it's impossible to prove anything I say deal with it nerd. :')
What's more important is stopping his wars in Libya and Yemen and ending the Bush/Obama wars of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bring home all overseas troops. Use the money saved to pay for social security. Allow young people to opt out of social security. Remove unconstitutional federal departments.
This could all be done now! Birth certificate is so unimportant. People are dying!
What's more important is stopping his wars in Libya and Yemen and ending the Bush/Obama wars of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bring home all overseas troops. Use the money saved to pay for social security. Allow young people to opt out of social security. Remove unconstitutional federal departments.
This could all be done now! Birth certificate is so unimportant. People are dying!
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,625
@142,622 (r04r)
> More like touching it up because it ended up being unreadable.
You don't "touch up" legal state documents in Illustrator.
> If it really was faked like that they would've taken it down and replaced it with a non-layered version already.
If they did that then everyone would be certain is was a fake then.
> More like touching it up because it ended up being unreadable.
You don't "touch up" legal state documents in Illustrator.
> If it really was faked like that they would've taken it down and replaced it with a non-layered version already.
If they did that then everyone would be certain is was a fake then.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,627
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Believe what you want to believe.
If the american goverment wanted to fake stuff they'd just print out a legit copy and scan that in. They don't need to edit stuff in illustrator.
Believe what you want to believe.
If the american goverment wanted to fake stuff they'd just print out a legit copy and scan that in. They don't need to edit stuff in illustrator.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,631
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,633
@previous (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
Yes, for readability. The two things I said actually complement each other. Try reading.
Yes, for readability. The two things I said actually complement each other. Try reading.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,636
@142,627 (r04r)
> Believe what you want to believe.
> Provides ocular evidence of a forgery
> Refutes claim
> If the american goverment wanted to fake stuff they'd just print out a legit copy and scan that in.
Ya because there wouldn't be a hundred questions asked. If I said this was my birth certificate and someone showed you evidence of it being a forgery you would accept the fact it was a forgery. Why did it take him so long to produce the document? Why is it in a PDF format and not a simple JPEG? Why has no one seen the document with their own eyes. See this how it is r04r, a forgery.
> Believe what you want to believe.
> Provides ocular evidence of a forgery
> Refutes claim
> If the american goverment wanted to fake stuff they'd just print out a legit copy and scan that in.
Ya because there wouldn't be a hundred questions asked. If I said this was my birth certificate and someone showed you evidence of it being a forgery you would accept the fact it was a forgery. Why did it take him so long to produce the document? Why is it in a PDF format and not a simple JPEG? Why has no one seen the document with their own eyes. See this how it is r04r, a forgery.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,640
@142,633 (r04r)
Be nice.
You just said "they don't need to edit stuff in Illustrator", but before you said they did; for legibility.
Just wanted to clear that up for you. I know what you mean but it's confusing, maybe edit your post for legibility lol
Be nice.
You just said "they don't need to edit stuff in Illustrator", but before you said they did; for legibility.
Just wanted to clear that up for you. I know what you mean but it's confusing, maybe edit your post for legibility lol
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,647
@142,621 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/
> But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.
> “You should not be so suspicious about this,†Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.
> He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,†he said.
> Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/
> But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.
> “You should not be so suspicious about this,†Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.
> He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,†he said.
> Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.
Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,648
Again, if the US government really wanted to fake documents they would do so - they wouldn't make stupid mistakes and they would not use Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop, surely.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,649
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,651
@previous (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
> Everyone makes stupid mistakes.
Sure, but the US government? Would they really make such a silly mistake?
> Everyone makes stupid mistakes.
Sure, but the US government? Would they really make such a silly mistake?
Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,652
@142,649 (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
> That makes sense.
It does, I can't believe it was on the usually anti-Obama Fox News.
> That makes sense.
It does, I can't believe it was on the usually anti-Obama Fox News.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,655
@142,651 (K)
It is improbable but not impossible and, considering the improbability of the allegations to begin with, not unreasonable for proponents of the theory to believe.
It is improbable but not impossible and, considering the improbability of the allegations to begin with, not unreasonable for proponents of the theory to believe.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #142,656
@142,652 (K)
I like Fox because they (used to) argue against Ron Paul (now they claim to like him, but I don't trust their honesty) whereas other networks would dismiss him or make fun of him.
I like Fox because they (used to) argue against Ron Paul (now they claim to like him, but I don't trust their honesty) whereas other networks would dismiss him or make fun of him.