Topic: Why are we pretending to miss George H.W. Bush?
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE started this discussion 7 years ago #81,223
He was a terrible person and a terrible president. Good riddance.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later[^] [v] #943,166
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,168
> He was a terrible person and a terrible president. Good riddance.
Compared to Trump?
Nope.
Compared to Trump?
Nope.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,172
He was the last "good" republican president in that he was fairly moderate on social issues and willing to make practical compromises. The main war he involved us in had some reasonable justification and ended pretty quickly.cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,173
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,175
@previous (cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE)
I'm not! He pardoned iran contra people and his son utterly fucked the country. I think it's just liberals yearning to return to a pre-Gingrich era of politics.
I'm not! He pardoned iran contra people and his son utterly fucked the country. I think it's just liberals yearning to return to a pre-Gingrich era of politics.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,177
He voted for Shillary Killton!
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,179
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #943,198
In a perfect world, he would have had a few Obammys to tend to his garden and clean his house and drive him around.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,229
I'm not pretending, and I guess I'm glad hes dead, but he will never answer for the destruction he caused, and for that and that only, I wish he was still alive
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,238
Bert is going to be terribly upset when he reads this, Becky.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,244
@943,168 (C)
You know there's more presidents than just the bushes, Clinton, Obama and trump right? There's at least three more, so dont just compare someone to trump as being a good or bad president.
You know there's more presidents than just the bushes, Clinton, Obama and trump right? There's at least three more, so dont just compare someone to trump as being a good or bad president.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,245
ITT: naive simpletons feign edgy outrage over issues they are clueless about.
Chef Excellence !aUQG2chI.U joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,248
@943,173 (cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE)
I will never forgive him for the Willie Horton ads. He used it to get votes in Louisiana, and he raised taxes on us after saying he wouldn't.
Bush One™️, you signed a deal with the Devil, and I hope you enjoy eternity in perdition.
I will never forgive him for the Willie Horton ads. He used it to get votes in Louisiana, and he raised taxes on us after saying he wouldn't.
Bush One™️, you signed a deal with the Devil, and I hope you enjoy eternity in perdition.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,263
@previous (Chef Excellence !aUQG2chI.U)
Yeah, lying about taxes and a war to protect US oil interests were pretty much the highlights of his presidency. It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
Yeah, lying about taxes and a war to protect US oil interests were pretty much the highlights of his presidency. It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 18 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #943,265
SNL did a spoof ad during the Bush/Dukakis election. The tag at the end said, "Vote for Bush. He's whiter."
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 23 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,570
sorry guysAnonymous I replied with this 7 years ago, 40 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,575
Also ITT: millennials who spend their free time telling people to kill themselves on internet forums feign edgy self-righteous outrage over casualties of war from 30 years ago.
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,578
@previous (I)
You sound really angry about people having opinions. Maybe you should find a safe space to cry about that where people will care.
You sound really angry about people having opinions. Maybe you should find a safe space to cry about that where people will care.
Anonymous I replied with this 7 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,583
@previous (K)
> You sound really angry
Said this guy:
@943,263 (K)
> Yeah, lying about taxes and a war to protect US oil interests were pretty much the highlights of his presidency. It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
> You sound really angry
Said this guy:
@943,263 (K)
> Yeah, lying about taxes and a war to protect US oil interests were pretty much the highlights of his presidency. It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
Big Daddy Derek™ !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,585
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,596
@OP
It bothers me too. I agree wholeheartedly. Also the same for John McCain.
I do get the sense in the Trump era that that GOP establishment – the Romney/Bush/McCain type neoconservative Republicans – have been rehabilitated because while they may have started a couple of pointless wars in the Middle East and killed a bunch of people, and eroded civil liberties with the PATRIOT Act and mass surveillance, at least they didn't try to do anything really evil like enforce immigration law or protect the American border.
It bothers me too. I agree wholeheartedly. Also the same for John McCain.
I do get the sense in the Trump era that that GOP establishment – the Romney/Bush/McCain type neoconservative Republicans – have been rehabilitated because while they may have started a couple of pointless wars in the Middle East and killed a bunch of people, and eroded civil liberties with the PATRIOT Act and mass surveillance, at least they didn't try to do anything really evil like enforce immigration law or protect the American border.
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,597
I hope they enjoy it while it lasts though, because the moment Trump leaves office the establishment Republicans go back to being Literally Hitler (again).
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,619
@943,596 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
You're right, Trump has had the utmost respect for liberty and democracy. Nothing like those freedom-bashing neocons. I really admire him for that.
You're right, Trump has had the utmost respect for liberty and democracy. Nothing like those freedom-bashing neocons. I really admire him for that.
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,627
@943,263 (K)
> It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
There is truth in that...yet that was in advance of how now for every working illegal there are 100,000 welfare suckers who are overcrowding the public school systems with their spanish babbling anchor babies..
> It's fun to think back on how Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
There is truth in that...yet that was in advance of how now for every working illegal there are 100,000 welfare suckers who are overcrowding the public school systems with their spanish babbling anchor babies..
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,635
@previous (F)
I'd love to see anything supporting that besides your feelings. Not that you're one to judge others for freeloading.
I'd love to see anything supporting that besides your feelings. Not that you're one to judge others for freeloading.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,637
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,695
@943,635 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
You need to realize something..
And that something is as follows...denial is not a river in Egypt..
You need to realize something..
And that something is as follows...denial is not a river in Egypt..
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 49 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,707
@943,619 (P)
> You're right, Trump has had the utmost respect for liberty and democracy. Nothing like those freedom-bashing neocons. I really admire him for that.
Realistically Trump and the neocons are about equally authoritarian. Trump never (as far as I know) claimed to be a libertarian and indeed he's a decadent statist by Ron Paul standards. He's a populist.
> You're right, Trump has had the utmost respect for liberty and democracy. Nothing like those freedom-bashing neocons. I really admire him for that.
Realistically Trump and the neocons are about equally authoritarian. Trump never (as far as I know) claimed to be a libertarian and indeed he's a decadent statist by Ron Paul standards. He's a populist.
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,709
@943,263 (K)
> Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
This worked for the owners of businesses but not the workers. Labor is subject to the same rules of supply and demand as any other good or service, especially unskilled labor. I don't think Trump really cares about immigration either way but he saw a pent-up, unmet demand for immigration restriction and seized the opportunity. No one else campaigning for president was offering this in any meaningful way.
What I find interesting is that Trump is actually coming at the immigration issue from almost a Marxist perspective: Mexico is the reserve army of labor.
You know what's weird though: you never hear stories about sweatshop labor anymore. Like how Nike and Apple were making their stuff in hellhole sweatshops to the point where Foxconn had to install anti-suicide nets on the factory roof and kids making sneakers were exposed to toxic chemicals and unsafe machinery. What happened? Did they fix working conditions? (certainly possible) It's just weird this has fallen completely off the radar.
> Republicans used to not care about immigration because it provided a near endless pool of cheap labor.
This worked for the owners of businesses but not the workers. Labor is subject to the same rules of supply and demand as any other good or service, especially unskilled labor. I don't think Trump really cares about immigration either way but he saw a pent-up, unmet demand for immigration restriction and seized the opportunity. No one else campaigning for president was offering this in any meaningful way.
What I find interesting is that Trump is actually coming at the immigration issue from almost a Marxist perspective: Mexico is the reserve army of labor.
You know what's weird though: you never hear stories about sweatshop labor anymore. Like how Nike and Apple were making their stuff in hellhole sweatshops to the point where Foxconn had to install anti-suicide nets on the factory roof and kids making sneakers were exposed to toxic chemicals and unsafe machinery. What happened? Did they fix working conditions? (certainly possible) It's just weird this has fallen completely off the radar.
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,717
@943,597 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Listen, just because Hitler was really bad doesn't mean that no one else can't remind you of him. What are yoiu, Hitler?
Listen, just because Hitler was really bad doesn't mean that no one else can't remind you of him. What are yoiu, Hitler?
Big Daddy Derek™ !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,718
Big Daddy Derek™ !Uvm54ORbmo double-posted this 7 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,719
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,724
Big Daddy Derek™ !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,725
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,734
@943,709 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Labor is subject to the same rules of supply and demand as any other good or service, especially unskilled labor.
Yep. The GOP in the 90s pretty much saw that. The Libertarian Party in the 90s was embracing open borders and welcoming anyone.
> I don't think Trump really cares about immigration either way but he saw a pent-up, unmet demand for immigration restriction and seized the opportunity.
That's what scares me. I don't think he gives a shit about anything except finding a way to blame someone else for problems. He confuses complaining about things with solving problems. Illegal immigration has been on a steady decline since 2007, so it wasn't a huge issue that needed to be tackled when he ran. It still isn't. Trump and friends were just able get everyone to pretend it was suddenly a big deal by stoking the same old fears and repeating the same old stories that people have been saying about immigrants forever. As fun as it is to pretend that we are under attack by a caravan of people who will come in and be handed a bundle of free cash while taking our jobs while simultaneously living off our welfare, spreading disease, committing crime, overpopulating our cities, etc. - that boogeyman just doesn't exist. It never has. It's the same story told about immigrants everywhere, and people are eager to believe it when times are tough.
What scares me about Trump is he can't identify the real problems from problems that "feel" real to him because they get him cheers from crowds.
> Labor is subject to the same rules of supply and demand as any other good or service, especially unskilled labor.
Yep. The GOP in the 90s pretty much saw that. The Libertarian Party in the 90s was embracing open borders and welcoming anyone.
> I don't think Trump really cares about immigration either way but he saw a pent-up, unmet demand for immigration restriction and seized the opportunity.
That's what scares me. I don't think he gives a shit about anything except finding a way to blame someone else for problems. He confuses complaining about things with solving problems. Illegal immigration has been on a steady decline since 2007, so it wasn't a huge issue that needed to be tackled when he ran. It still isn't. Trump and friends were just able get everyone to pretend it was suddenly a big deal by stoking the same old fears and repeating the same old stories that people have been saying about immigrants forever. As fun as it is to pretend that we are under attack by a caravan of people who will come in and be handed a bundle of free cash while taking our jobs while simultaneously living off our welfare, spreading disease, committing crime, overpopulating our cities, etc. - that boogeyman just doesn't exist. It never has. It's the same story told about immigrants everywhere, and people are eager to believe it when times are tough.
What scares me about Trump is he can't identify the real problems from problems that "feel" real to him because they get him cheers from crowds.
Sheila LaBœf joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,737
Sheila LaBœf double-posted this 7 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #943,738
just kidding
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