@previous (C)
Truth hurt? Y'all taught about all our politicians? No one has given a straight answer, not even an attempt. Who is this faggot, and why should it be funny?
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,779
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
It is only getting more funny now, cheers mate.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,781
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,788
@139,781 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > Implying any of these politicians are obscure
hamfist !!mtq555+/1 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,789
> British politicians
bitch come back when you got another Churchill
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,790
@previous (hamfist !!mtq555+/1)
You come back when you have another George Bush.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,791
@139,788 (B) > Outside of your tiny island they are completely unknown.
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 23 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,792
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,796
@139,791 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > tiny island
Lolno. > they are completely unknown.
To Americans? Maybe. Do you know the name of any politicians outside the States?
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,797
I think the UK/US relationship has never been better.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,799
@139,796 (B) > tiny island
Seriously. England is cool and all, but it IS tiny.
Hell yeah we know politicians that matter, Winston Churchhill was a good example, your queen and other members of the royal family, and many other politicians from other countries. We don't live in a box underground...
Tekamine !AnRbswGQv. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,805
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,807
@139,799 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > Seriously. England is cool and all, but it IS tiny.
Size is irrelevant.
Do you know this guy, then?
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Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,808
@139,805 (Tekamine !AnRbswGQv.)
74 miles won't even get me 1/4 across my own state lol.
England = 94,525 square miles.
Alaska = 663,267 square miles.
I'm not knocking England, the country VS country crap is silly. BUT it is a tiny little island.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,809
@139,807 (B)
No... but I'm sure most people in the ENTIRE world don't know who he is, England and America included.
Tekamine !AnRbswGQv. replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,811
@139,808 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I agree, but for how small we are, we don't half act like we have a massive cock.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,814
@139,809 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > No... but I'm sure most people in the ENTIRE world don't know who he is, England and America included.
You're right, scary considering he's the head of the world's largest standing army and fastest growing economy.
We might be tiny, but our politicians are better recognised than most. Usually because they're so shite, but w/e.
Anonymous B double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,821
@139,811 (Tekamine !AnRbswGQv.) > I agree, but for how small we are, we don't half act like we have a massive cock.
We're the 4th highest country for military spending, we do have a fairly large cock. :')
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,822
EU is like this amirite and the US is like that amirite
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 50 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,823
@previous (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
NO. SHUTUP. COUNTRY X IS THE BEST BECAUSE I WAS BORN HERE.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 50 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,824
> I agree, but for how small we are, we don't half act like we have a massive cock.
Eh, cultural differences are different. Americans are show boaters, all of Europe is more reserved. I'm sure we come off as goofy/silly to other countries, but somehow our culture still has a big impact on the world.
> > No... but I'm sure most people in the ENTIRE world don't know who he is, England and America included. > You're right, scary considering he's the head of the world's largest standing army and fastest growing economy. > We might be tiny, but our politicians are better recognised than most. Usually because they're so shite, but w/e.
Are they as shitty as American politicians? Are the people of England constantly let down, lied to and pissed off?
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 51 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,829
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM) > Are they as shitty as American politicians? Are the people of England constantly let down, lied to and pissed off?
Oh yes. That's why Nick Clegg is funny - he is a joke. :')
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,833
@previous (B)
THIS I can relate to. I made this topic truly wanting to understand. What is his role?
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,839
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Deputy Prime Minister (because we have a coalition government). He generally went back on every single promise he made during the elections, every last one. So nobody really likes him anymore.
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,841
@139,833 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Leader of the Liberal Democrat party, current deputy Prime Minister of the UK. Lost the support of students after he abandoned his ideals to form the coalition.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 58 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,843
@139,823 (B)
FUCK YOU ONLY FAGGOTS WERE BORN THERE
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 59 minutes after the original post[^][v]#139,844
@139,839 (B) > He generally went back on every single promise he made during the elections, every last one.
Thank you! Now I think I can appreciate the joke. Seriously.
dreamworks replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,854
> 74 miles won't even get me 1/4 across my own state lol. > > England = 94,525 square miles. > > Alaska = 663,267 square miles. > > > I'm not knocking England, the country VS country crap is silly. BUT it is a tiny little island.
This "tiny island" shaped the modern world. We made it.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,899
@previous (K)
You had nothing to do with it.
Regardless, the British empire fell.
dreamworks replied with this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,901
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,908
@139,899 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > You had nothing to do with it.
Derp? > Regardless, the British empire fell
As do all empires. ;) @previous (dreamworks)
Well, it certainly wasn't Holland. :P @139,844 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Great! :D
Anonymous B double-posted this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,909
@139,843 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
YOU'RE JUST A STUPID HEAD.
dreamworks replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,915
@139,908 (B)
it was a combination of country's. i think holland actually had a relatively big part in it (britland too ofc)
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,924
@139,908 (B)
If you wish to look at the modern world as the product of fallen empires, it may as well be the Roman empire~
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,926
@139,899 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) @139,901 (dreamworks)
Industrial Revolution
Creating an infrastructure in 2/3rds of the developing world
System of justice adopted throughout the world
Suffrage
Immeasurable influence on global culture
I could go on
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dreamworks replied with this 15 years ago, 12 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,927
@139,924 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > roman empire > modern world
how~
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,931
All you cutfags will never know a woman’s true pleasure.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,932
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,941
@139,938 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > Industrial revolution began en mass in America.
It started in England in the 18th century, then spread to the rest of Europe and then America.
dreamworks replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,942
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,943
@139,938 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
No it didnt.
Let common sense be your guiding light, and just google, you clown.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,946
@139,924 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > If you wish to look at the modern world as the product of fallen empires, it may as well be the Roman empire~
In a way. The British empire shaped the world in the same way America is doing so today.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,949
@139,942 (dreamworks)
Nah. Obviously not really in Dutchland afaik, but it's pretty heavily influenced English-speaking places.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,950
@139,941 (B) @139,943 (K)
Goddamned American history education is biased as hell. Fuck.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,951
> > If you wish to look at the modern world as the product of fallen empires, it may as well be the Roman empire~ > In a way. The British empire shaped the world in the same way America is doing so today.
^ this is pretty accurate.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,955
@139,946 (B)
Shaped. Past tense. That's the thing - not any more. England was pretty damn powerful at one point, but it's receding back to its position as a tiny island without huge amounts of influence.
America is the focus now. And likely will be for a while more, until politicians fuck it up beyond repair. And then...
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 double-posted this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,956
@139,950 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
At least you get history education. The closest here is social studies. LOL LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW NATIVES ARE ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT.
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,960
@139,955 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > shaped
Exactly the word I used in my post that caused this little eruption.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,964
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,965
@139,955 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
Yes, I never meant to imply that Britain today retains the influence it had when we were an empire - it doesn't. I'm not saying we "invented" the modern world or anything either, but we were a very influential player on the world stage, and still are today (just not to the same extent), alongside, Germany, France, Russia, etc. @139,950 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I never trusted what I was taught in history lessons. I think they all tend to be biased, which is a shame because it ruins history.
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,966
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#139,971
@139,965 (B)
Heh. I'm aware, but I was bored...And you're right. It amuses me that England had that much power as an empire, given that it's been pretty much everyone's bitch at some point or another.
Of course history's biased. It was always written by the winners. And now, in schools, it's written to inspire national pride or to make the government look good.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#139,988
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
Exactly whose bitch have we been?
We've slapped around just about everyone at some point.
And what nationality are you, pray tell?
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,026
@previous (K)
Before the empire. England has been invaded by a hell of a lot of people.
Let's see...Germans. Likely Dutch. Romans. Vikings. I'm not too sure who else, British history isn't my forte.
Ethnicity or where I live?
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,055
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
THE GLORIOUS REVOLUTION AKA DUTCH INVASION OF THE UK.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,067
@140,026 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > given that it's been pretty much everyone's bitch at some point or another.
Particular pieces of land that make up Britain today have been invaded and attacked in the past, like every other piece of land on the planet worth mentioning. :P
As a state we've never really been anyone's bitch, the other way around in fact - the rest of the world was very much our bitch up until recently. This small island once controlled the largest empire ever to exist. Because of that our influence is extraordinarily widespread, even today.
Of course things are very different now, but I still think the cultural, political, legal and linguistic influence of our empireâ„¢ remains unchallenged.
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Fuck you Brian Wilson joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,069
this thread
lol'd
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,074
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,083
@140,067 (B)
Of course. But in that vein, is 3000 years of England being invaded completely irrelevant? I doubt it.
Hmm. Linguistic is arguable, and I might be incorrect here, but I'd say that, once again, America's the focus for that. I'm sure you know the differences between English and American English. From what I've observed online, American English seems to be more prevalent in non-English speaking countries.
Cultural...True, but it's fading quickly.
Political. Based off of Rome~
Legal. Joint with Roman. At least it is here, I'm not sure about anywhere else.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,116
@140,083 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > Hmm. Linguistic is arguable, and I might be incorrect here, but I'd say that, once again, America's the focus for that. I'm sure you know the differences between English and American English. From what I've observed online, American English seems to be more prevalent in non-English speaking countries.
Nearly every poster we have here who has learned English as a second language speak British English, though. Most of Europe learn British English when they're taught to speak English. I know it's definitely taught primarily in Germany and Austria, and I *think* Holland. > Cultural...True, but it's fading quickly.
You think? I wouldn't say that.
English law is certainly influenced by Roman law. It is the basis for the legal system of many of countries, in addition lots of countries (namely Russia) cite the apparent "success" of Britain's legal system as the reason they maintain their libel and defamation laws.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,128
@previous (B)
Hmm. Fair enough. This one chatroom, though. Everyone from a non-English country that speaks English seems to speak American English.
England is becoming Americanized. It's distinct from America in many aspects, certainly, but it is still becoming Americanized. Same music, many of the same clothes. If England itself is becoming Americanized, what about the countries that took on English culture?
How has Britain's legal system been successful?
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,159
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > England is becoming Americanized. It's distinct from America in many aspects, certainly, but it is still becoming Americanized.
Ah, but I don't think that's true either. I bet if you came to England, you would see that. > Same music, many of the same clothes.
Now music I can agree on, but that doesn't mean we're becoming Americanized. Not any more than it meant America was becoming 'Anglosized' during the "British Invasion".
We definitely share a lot of the same culture, the same music, food, etc., but we also share a lot of the same culture with so many more countries than just the US. I've lived here all my life, and I can honestly say I don't see American culture as that much more prevalent than Australian, or German, or French or Irish - if only people realised that.
> How has Britain's legal system been successful?
Well that was what Russia claimed to justify their harsh libel laws. Their justification based on our law was one of the main points of the Libel Reform Campaign, which was successful in seeing criminal libel abolished in England & Wales.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,174
@previous (B)
:P I've been to England before. I'm going to England in like 2 weeks...
Maybe Americanized was the wrong word. I mean....worldwide, a whole bunch of different cultures are all globbing together into one boring culture. Which can, at least in part, be attributed to America. To Europe, too, for linking these places together in the first place. Maybe that's still not clear. Fuck it.
Criminal libel?
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,175
I think we're all becoming a bit more globalized, something new that transcends nationality.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,177
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Globalized. That sounds like the right word. Thanks.
But then everything's the same and shit sucks.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,187
@140,174 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > I've been to England before.
What do you make of us? :D > Maybe Americanized was the wrong word. I mean....worldwide, a whole bunch of different cultures are all globbing together into one boring culture. Which can, at least in part, be attributed to America
Now I agree with that. :p > Criminal libel?
Libel/defamation as a criminal offence - with criminal penalties.
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Anonymous B double-posted this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,189
@140,175 (Ks !KansasxqvM) @140,177 (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
I agree.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,194
@140,187 (B)
An example of the kind of criminal libel that was stamped out in England/Wales plzthx.
Where's it cross the line from free speech to criminal libel?
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,231
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6)
It was abolished in 2010, although the last case it was applied was 1912. It abolished the criminal offence of libel, you can still take someone to court for a libellous statement.
> Where's it cross the line from free speech to criminal libel?
"Justification (the truth of the statement), fair comment (whether the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held), and privilege (whether the statements were made in Parliament or in court, or whether they were fair reports of allegations in the public interest)". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#England_and_Wales
And I'm sure you've heard of super injunctions? In the UK, you can take out a super-injunction to gag a publication or individual from saying something about your private life, and it stops whomever was gagged from even mentioning they've been gagged. One was taken out by oil company Trafigura, that prevented the news from reporting on the toxic waste they had dumped into the sea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_British_privacy_injunctions_controversy
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,256
@previous (B)
I see. So people won't be arrested for making a libelous statement, but one may still take them to court for it.
Ahah. So it's all subjective, then. How fun!
That's...stupid. The people, and the press, should be able to make the dealings of companies and the underhanded dealings of people with influence transparent - that's what they're there for.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,258
@previous (Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6) > I see. So people won't be arrested for making a libelous statement, but one may still take them to court for it.
Yep. > That's...stupid. The people, and the press, should be able to make the dealings of companies and the underhanded dealings of people with influence transparent - that's what they're there for.
You're absolutely right. But that doesn't seem to be how things work here. If you have enough money, you can hire expensive firms like Carter Ruck or Schillings, who specialise in "reputation management" - ie. sue the fuck out of someone who says something bad about you. Our Judges are too stuffy and out-of-touch anyway. We have so many laws restricting speech, I wish we had a constitution like America.
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,268
@previous (B)
Haha. I always thought suing everyone you disliked was the American way, not the English way.
England's rise into a country was far too gradual to have a constitution.
America's getting worse as well. It's terrible, actually.
bobby2sox !!ztPBX/o0I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#140,276
Just thought you would like to see what some REAL English folk look like