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Topic: Did the Ottomans really enslave the Europeans while the Europeans were enslaving Africans?

Catherine !ttGirlsPl2 started this discussion 7 years ago #80,043

If true, that really gets the noggin joggin.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #932,079

Ottoman Empire was bad, they still deny the Armenian genocide for example. Arabs are bad as well.

Nobody talks about the Arab slave trade or holds Arabs responsible for it. Even though they still do it today. Also you don't hear anyone about the Brits and Dutch freeing slaves from the Arabs.

People have very selective memory of history. They only use what suits their needs and ignore the rest.

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Catherine !ttGirlsPl2 (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,082

@previous (B)
It's just interesting to me how while the Europeans were enslaving Africans they were being enslaved by the Ottomans.

What is it about humans and enslaving themselves?

It makes me wonder if Aristotle was right.

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Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,089

@previous (Catherine !ttGirlsPl2)
No only that but white people where actively helping them find slaves. Just like black people sold slaves to whites and arabs. I guess one thing never changes; self interest.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 19 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,104

@932,082 (Catherine !ttGirlsPl2)
Slavery was common throughout most of human history. In fact, most of history is pretty fucking depressing when you look too deeply. While a lot of history gets told as the story of some people overcoming obstacles and fighting for survival, most of it just people doing shitty stuff to other people in order to benefit from it.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,106

There are more slaves today than any other point in history. Actually, one of the hotspots of slavery is fully active again; North Africa. Yet very little outrage about that.

Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,109

@previous (B)
You need to update your outrage propaganda.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #932,110

@previous (C)
What was untrue in my post?

Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #932,111

Your intention.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 38 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #932,115

@previous (C)
I see you have nothing to say.

Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 33 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,132

@932,106 (B)
There are a lot in Haiti as well

Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,136

@932,115 (B)
Your post reads like stale outrage porn that was going around shortly after the Arab spring. Regarding North Africa, I haven't seen any figures that aren't speculative. The "there are more slaves today than any other point in history" bit might technically be true based on a population model, but it's not like you have figures from all of history for comparison. You could probably claim "there are more criminals now than ever before" and have it be just as meaningful. I'm not sure what "fully active" means. Were there slave markets operating at 50% efficiency before?

I've seen some genuine outrage about human trafficking, but it generally presents a more concise view of the problem than vague phrases pointing blame at a region.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,137

@previous (C)
There are figures, I suggest you read up on the history and ship manifests and what not. And what does it matter about the population being smaller back then? Researchers don't hide the fact there are more now due to population growth. Doesn't negate the fact there's millions of slaves today. Yet we hear barely anything about that. I'm personally not outraged, just wondering where the outrage is. Fully active means there are many slaves being traded again in that region now when there was little to none a decade ago. You also seem to assume a lot about me personally which is amusing but totally irrelevant to the arguments and facts.

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Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,149

@previous (B)
I'm not doubting there are estimates. I'm not doubting population growth. I'm doubting you throwing around loose claims.

> I'm personally not outraged, just wondering where the outrage is.
Have you looked? There are plenty of people and organizations calling attention to it.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,152

Catherine would love to be a scantily clad big breasted beauty trapped in a burly big bellied bearded Arab’s harem back when the Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe.

Anonymous B replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,155

@932,149 (C)
> I'm doubting you throwing around loose claims.

Pffft. Keep on assuming.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #932,241

all that matters now...is that America rules the World..

deal with it..
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