Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago#7,915
Linux: Never has to reboot (not even for kernel security updates- see: ksplice)
Windows: Has to reboot all the time, for any software install, and just because it slows down the longer it's been running
Linux: No viri > hurr, but that's because no one uses it!
Actually it is almost ubiquitous on the server and supercomputing market. Hack windows: get a credit card. Hack linux: get ten thousand credit cards (and distribute that other virus to some windows users)
Windows: Lots and lots of viri.
Linux: Open source.
Windows: Your own system is kept secret from you.
Linux: Free
Windows: +$250 onto your order.
Linux: Automated updates for all your software, all signed for security.
Windows: Manual updates. Also, system updates are not signed so you can use something like Evilgrade to give a fake update that gives you full access to the system.
Linux: Runs on any hardware, fast.
Windows: Bloated and slow.
ALso: > mac > half-open source > good hardware, but... > still costs more than the same exact build if you built it yourself > secure > only occasional reboots
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^][v]#137,169
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linuxâ€, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux†distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^][v]#137,171
@previous (B)
I appreciate that this is a joke, however, not everyone chooses to use all the GNU tools. In fact, the GNU team actually made a list of distros that are "GNU" distributions. Many people use KDE instead of GNOME, Vim instead of Emacs, etc. While a few GNU programs (like GCC) will almost always be on every Linux system, it is not enough to call every linux ditsro "GNU/Linux", Linus said it best, that it should be called it's distribution's name for clarity.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^][v]#137,173
Linux is only good if you can utilize its abilities, the majority of users just wanna install popular programs and surf the web etc. Windows makes average use easy, Linux has a learning curve and can be frustrating as hell for a beginner, Windows is easy mode.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^][v]#137,182
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning KDE system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the KDE system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linuxâ€, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the KDE system, developed by the KDE/Vim Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the KDE operating system: the whole system is basically KDE with Linux added, or KDE/Linux. All the so-called “Linux†distributions are really distributions of KDE/Linux.
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protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^][v]#137,198
I’d like to interject to point out that this is a quality thread.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^][v]#137,199
@137,169 (B)
IÂfd just like to interject for a moment. What youÂfre referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as IÂfve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machineÂfs resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,289
@137,173 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
no mac is easy mode, Windows is poorfag mode
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,346
@137,173 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Maybe back in 1998, but now even my mom can install and run Ubuntu.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,350
> Windows: +$250 onto your order.
Windows 7 is extremely easy to pirate, though.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,363
@137,289 (RonPaul2012 !4EB6xd.Oos)
Mac is fag mode, unless you actually use it for work.
@137,346 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Sure, install, run browser. Easy. First problem with a driver and its hours of frustration, Lunux IS awesome, but not for the average user. I never took the time to learn it because every laptop I've ever owned Linux doesn't support the wireless card.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,368
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM) > First problem with a driver and its hours of frustration
I've had more problems with drivers in Windows than Linux distros. Hardware support is a huge gamble on any OS
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,376
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
You're doing it wrong, the vast majority of computers are built for windows, and while some drivers can be tricky to find (occasionally) 99.9% of the time a driver does exist. Sometimes you can use drivers that don't technically support your hardware and they will still work.
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advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,401
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Available does not mean effective; I've had my computer bluescreen like four or five times because of drivers I've downloaded from a manufacturer's website, and as such I have parts lying around I can't use like an IDE CD drive. Graphics card manufacturers are the worst in this regard.
Not to mention I have a number of parts lying around that run properly out of the box in Linux that need an extra download in Windows, including my printer. This often involves installing annoying bloatware.
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Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,402
@137,363 (Ks !KansasxqvM) > Sure, install, run browser. Easy.
Which is all 90% of people ever use their computers for anyway. Ubuntu also has an illegal clone of Microsoft Office that is actually better than the real thing (because it doesn't have the horrid ribbon interface). A web browser and OpenOffice satisfies most computer users needs. > First problem with a driver and its hours of frustration, Lunux IS awesome, but not for the average user. I never took the time to learn it because every laptop I've ever owned Linux doesn't support the wireless card.
This is more the fault of the hardware manufacturers than anything to do with Linux.
Voice of !WisdomHsuU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,406
I would just like to point out that you are comparing a software kernel to a brand of OS.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,553
@137,173 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
1. Boot up Ubuntu
2. Click Firefox
How is that hard?
Yes, there are some popular programs that people want to use, but that isn't that hard either.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,618
@previous (A)
I dig what you're saying and I know Linux is powerful and flexible, but people just want to click buttons, not type shit. Give people buttons to click and Linux will get a bigger market share. Thems the facts.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,633
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You can install software retard easy with the Software Center application, and installing packages downloaded from the Internet can be done with GDebi, which also installs dependencies for said package. There is virtually no reason you'd need to use a CLI with Ubuntu.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,661
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
I know how Linux works, I've installed many versions many times. I'm supporting Linux in case you failed to notice. The general public isn't supporting Linux for a reason, that reason is -- its not as easy as windows. There is a learning curve, partially because most grew up with Windows.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,689
@137,618 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
That's what I'm saying though, all they need to do to browse the web is click on the little firefox button. That's just as easy as windows.
Ubuntu makes it easy for the average user to do anything like that. Need to get some software? Click on the the software center! It's like an app store! Hell most people I know find Ubuntu easier to use for installing software than Windows because of the "app store"
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,697
@137,661 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
In my personal experience, the average desktop user doesn't know about Linux (it doesn't get advertised).
I've shown several people it, and the cool effects it has, and many let me switch over and like that it is faster (some people I know have slow machines).
the only reasons I know people won't switch over (besides not knowing about it) is Windows-sepcific software, especially games and some industry standard software like Adobe products.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 41 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,700
@137,661 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Because there's absolutely no other reason people don't switch away from Windows? None?
Windows has far more third-party software like Steam (+games), Adobe software, Ableton Live, AutoCAD, etc, in addition to often-necessary MS Office and Visual Studio, comes pre-installed on almost every computer available, and is simply what most people are used to. They don't switch because they see no reason to; many people haven't even heard of a computer that isn't running Windows aside from Macs.
I think it'd be great if Linux or BSDead were to gain more marketshare, but it is what it is.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,720
@137,689 (A)
The last version of Linux I checked out (newest Ubuntu) was very slick. I'd dual boot if it supported my wireless card. The reality is, until Linux can natively run many popular Windows programs and games by just clicking buttons it will only gain a market share slowly, as it is now. Most PC's are sold with Windows installed, people don't see a reason to change...
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,727
Linux is even sponsored by many states!
☠North Korea (Red Star Linux)
☠Cuba (Nova Linux)
☠China (Red Flag Linux)
☠Even Russia recently mandated it for all government use!
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,737
@137,697 (A) @137,700 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
I've told a few people about Linux, their eyes glazed over lol. People are happy with what they have, as long as Facebook works they don't give a fuck.
I do think Linux will continue to slowly gain ground, but Windows will be there every step of the way doing whatever they can to trip Linux up.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,768
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Pretty much. Not much free software groups can do without millions of dollars of advertising and a social stigma to back it up.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#137,828