Topic: Do you agree with this, fora?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #77,721
In a corporatist system of government, wherein there is no meaningful separation between corporate power and state power, corporate censorship is state censorship. Because legalized bribery in the form of corporate lobbying and campaign donations has given wealthy Americans the ability to control the U.S. government’s policy and behavior while ordinary Americans have no effective influence whatsoever, the U.S. unquestionably has a corporatist system of government. Large, influential corporations are inseparable from the state, so their use of censorship is inseparable from state censorship.
This is especially true of the vast mega-corporations of Silicon Valley, whose extensive ties to U.S. intelligence agencies are well-documented. Once you’re assisting with the construction of the US military’s drone program, receiving grants from the CIA and NSA for mass surveillance, you don’t get to pretend you’re a private, independent corporation that is separate from government power.
And yet every time I point to the dangers of a few Silicon Valley plutocrats controlling all new media political discourse with an iron fist, Democratic Party loyalists all turn into a bunch of hardline free market Ayn Rands. “It’s not censorship!” they exclaim. “It’s a private company and can do whatever it wants with its property!”
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #909,148
Yes.
MR MIKE PENCE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,151
@OP
> And yet every time I point to the dangers of a few Silicon Valley plutocrats controlling all new media political discourse with an iron fist, Democratic Party loyalists all turn into a bunch of hardline free market Ayn Rands. “It’s not censorship!” they exclaim. “It’s a private company and can do whatever it wants with its property!”
such is the law
> And yet every time I point to the dangers of a few Silicon Valley plutocrats controlling all new media political discourse with an iron fist, Democratic Party loyalists all turn into a bunch of hardline free market Ayn Rands. “It’s not censorship!” they exclaim. “It’s a private company and can do whatever it wants with its property!”
such is the law
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 16 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,156
oh fuck you dreamworks!
MR MIKE PENCE replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,157
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,158
no
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,162
This is OP's standard spiel whenever the guy at Taco Bell says they don't have Coke.
MR MIKE PENCE replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,164
Anonymous F replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,165
@previous (MR MIKE PENCE)
No wonder OP is so unhappy with life. Dude needs to get a burrito and chill.
No wonder OP is so unhappy with life. Dude needs to get a burrito and chill.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #909,166
No and there is nothing particularly new about closeness between corporate power and government power (J.P. Morgan bailed out the U.S. Gov't in the 1890s, the U.S. invaded multiple sovereign nations because of threats to United fruit Co., etc. Campaign finance reform attempts were mildly successful in the 70's until Buckley v. Valeo disposed of most of them and (along with other cases, most infamously although not most significantly Citizen's United) led us to where we are today. Weirdly though your politics seem to stretch back to about 2015 and toe the Republican party line since like, this is all the Democratic party of the last 3 years' fault somehow. If you staple not even surface level analysis to a quote written by...some internet libertarian most likely, hopefully not you, which in itself plagiarizes a fictitious Mussolini quote...well you get this "quality" thread. Yikes.
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cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 9 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #909,238
MR MIKE PENCE replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #909,239
@previous (cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE)
Yes why have a critical thought when you can just listen to ((Mark)).
Yes why have a critical thought when you can just listen to ((Mark)).
cccuuunnttt !RwordOooFE replied with this 7 years ago, 28 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #909,245
MR MIKE PENCE replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #909,247
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 18 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,442
Anonymous I double-posted this 7 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,443
It’s cool when Fake Anon writes a really bad earnest post in response to some dumb copypasta
It’s cute in a pathetic kind of way
It’s cute in a pathetic kind of way
Anonymous I triple-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,444
Do you really think you’re going to convince OP of his wrongness? Like lol dude come on
MR MIKE PENCE replied with this 7 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,474
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,537
@909,443 (I)> It’s cool when Fake Anon writes a really bad earnest post in response to some dumb copypasta
>
> It’s cute in a pathetic kind of way
isn't it
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,551
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,553
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,560
@909,551 (J)
Use soap on your feet in the shower or you aren't really cleaning them.
@previous (A)
It's like 90% of what you post so if I want to reply to you I have to at some point do it!
Use soap on your feet in the shower or you aren't really cleaning them.
@previous (A)
It's like 90% of what you post so if I want to reply to you I have to at some point do it!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,564
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Next time I'll just have a poll with "yes" and "no" and disable the comments
Next time I'll just have a poll with "yes" and "no" and disable the comments
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #909,565
@909,560 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)Anon says
> Could you give footnotes please
Fake Anon replies
> Use soap on your feet in the shower or you aren't really cleaning them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 days later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,815
@909,151 (MR MIKE PENCE)
> such is the law
It used to be the law that Rosa Parks had to ride in the back of the bus. By your logic that makes it "right"
> such is the law
It used to be the law that Rosa Parks had to ride in the back of the bus. By your logic that makes it "right"
Anonymous J replied with this 7 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,820
@previous (A)
Why did you write "right" in quotation marks like that
Who are you quoting
He said "such is the law" you're paranoid bro
Why did you write "right" in quotation marks like that
Who are you quoting
He said "such is the law" you're paranoid bro
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,821
@previous (J)
"Such is the law" implies that the law is "right" and is an appeal to authority fallacy.
"Such is the law" implies that the law is "right" and is an appeal to authority fallacy.
Anonymous J replied with this 7 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,822
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,823
Anonymous J replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,824
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #910,826
@previous (J)
> And yet every time I point to the dangers of a few Silicon Valley plutocrats controlling all new media political discourse with an iron fist, Democratic Party loyalists all turn into a bunch of hardline free market Ayn Rands. “It’s not censorship!” they exclaim. “It’s a private company and can do whatever it wants with its property!”
> And yet every time I point to the dangers of a few Silicon Valley plutocrats controlling all new media political discourse with an iron fist, Democratic Party loyalists all turn into a bunch of hardline free market Ayn Rands. “It’s not censorship!” they exclaim. “It’s a private company and can do whatever it wants with its property!”