Topic: How could Jim Jones’ people have been so stupid?
Anonymous A started this discussion 7 years ago #77,664
How?
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #908,519
It was a gradual thing. They had practiced the suicide so many times that it was much less scary when it really happened
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,520
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 44 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,521
Kook Have you seen The Sacrament? I am watching it now. Scary shit.
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Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,525
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,528
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,529
@908,520 (A)
Its hard to say. He started out as a faith healer and recruited some people that way. Then he heavily advertised on behalf of race relations and actually did a lot for his black community. He would go to segregated restaurants and cafes and offer them hundreds of new customers if they would integrate.
He also kept people sleep deprived and had people sign over their possessions and real estate.
The sleep deprivation (and eventual lack of protein) makes it hard to make rational decisions.
Also its hard to leave a group when all of your friends and family gave joined, and you have no money, or car, or home to go back to
Its hard to say. He started out as a faith healer and recruited some people that way. Then he heavily advertised on behalf of race relations and actually did a lot for his black community. He would go to segregated restaurants and cafes and offer them hundreds of new customers if they would integrate.
He also kept people sleep deprived and had people sign over their possessions and real estate.
The sleep deprivation (and eventual lack of protein) makes it hard to make rational decisions.
Also its hard to leave a group when all of your friends and family gave joined, and you have no money, or car, or home to go back to
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,530
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
I understand that, but why would anyone follow him to begin with? Who would give over all of their possessions to someone?
I understand that, but why would anyone follow him to begin with? Who would give over all of their possessions to someone?
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,531
@previous (C)
Well many people did believe that he had supernatural powers. But also many many people were deeply moved by his words and actions of racial harmony. Many people in the cult were black and or women, who have the most religiosity out of every one.
Gradually they began a Communist lifestyle (they called themselves Socialist at first) and so it makes sense why they would give their things away. It was a group collective.
Well many people did believe that he had supernatural powers. But also many many people were deeply moved by his words and actions of racial harmony. Many people in the cult were black and or women, who have the most religiosity out of every one.
Gradually they began a Communist lifestyle (they called themselves Socialist at first) and so it makes sense why they would give their things away. It was a group collective.
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Kook !!a6qjFG7HF double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,532
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
They would also pull people out of the ghettos and give them a better life than they ever had, they got people jobs, sent people to school, even ran drug and alcohol detox programs.
They would also pull people out of the ghettos and give them a better life than they ever had, they got people jobs, sent people to school, even ran drug and alcohol detox programs.
Anonymous C replied with this 7 years ago, 31 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,533
Anonymous C double-posted this 7 years ago, 16 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,534
Anonymous C triple-posted this 7 years ago, 19 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,535
What was Jones’ reasoning for the suicide? Why did he want to do it?
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,538
@previous (C)
For one thing, he had always been obsessed with death his whole life, and near the end, he was on high doses of uppers and downers and was very paranoid.
He had ran and taken like a 1000 followers to South America because two of his former members of upper management were on a child custody dispute with him. So they were threatening to take their child back.
Also in the US, after years and years and glowing admiration from famous politicians (including Harvey Milk) newspapers were finally running allegations about him in the newspapers and magazines. So many people had family stuck in the cult, that they formed a Concerned Relatives group.
For one thing, he had always been obsessed with death his whole life, and near the end, he was on high doses of uppers and downers and was very paranoid.
He had ran and taken like a 1000 followers to South America because two of his former members of upper management were on a child custody dispute with him. So they were threatening to take their child back.
Also in the US, after years and years and glowing admiration from famous politicians (including Harvey Milk) newspapers were finally running allegations about him in the newspapers and magazines. So many people had family stuck in the cult, that they formed a Concerned Relatives group.
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF double-posted this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,539
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
Also conditions in Guyana got worse and worse. They had taken all of these city people and expected them to know how to farm. The land that they farmed on had shitty soil and they were miles from a water source, so food shortages became frequent. Sometimes they only had rice and gravy to eat or cassava root and no protein. He ate like a king though.
You should read about conditions in the compound it was ducked up. He would spend hours over the intercom system rambling and then quiz people on what they heard. They would get punished for failing quizzes, even the manual laborers and the elderly
Also conditions in Guyana got worse and worse. They had taken all of these city people and expected them to know how to farm. The land that they farmed on had shitty soil and they were miles from a water source, so food shortages became frequent. Sometimes they only had rice and gravy to eat or cassava root and no protein. He ate like a king though.
You should read about conditions in the compound it was ducked up. He would spend hours over the intercom system rambling and then quiz people on what they heard. They would get punished for failing quizzes, even the manual laborers and the elderly
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Kook !!a6qjFG7HF triple-posted this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,540
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
After work was over, the upper management and many others would go through "catharsis" meetings where people would be accused of being racist or sexist, or feminizas, or male chauvinistic pigs. If you were accused, you had to stoically accept all of the accusations, no matter how crazy.
And during this time, Jones was fucking both men and women consensually and against their will. He would force sex on someone, and then call them out during the catharsis meeting the next day and say that the victim was stressing him out with constant sexual demands.
After work was over, the upper management and many others would go through "catharsis" meetings where people would be accused of being racist or sexist, or feminizas, or male chauvinistic pigs. If you were accused, you had to stoically accept all of the accusations, no matter how crazy.
And during this time, Jones was fucking both men and women consensually and against their will. He would force sex on someone, and then call them out during the catharsis meeting the next day and say that the victim was stressing him out with constant sexual demands.
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Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,549
@908,531 (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
> they began a Communist lifestyle (they called themselves Socialist at first)
This is why I don't trust Bernie Sanders.
> they began a Communist lifestyle (they called themselves Socialist at first)
This is why I don't trust Bernie Sanders.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #908,551
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Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,562
@908,556 (C)
Also every one called themselves niggers, white niggers, etc and said that sometimes the only way to triumph over white people was to break into your"crazy nigger" routine. Lmao. This shit was so fucked up.
Another thing that they did was drug people and leave them in catatonic states if they were acting up or showing mental instabilities. They also had a sensory deprivation box where they would keep people for days up to weeks when they got out of line. Oh and they would force people to box each other and increase the strength of the other opponent and the one who was to be punished got beaten down. They even did this to kids.
Also every one called themselves niggers, white niggers, etc and said that sometimes the only way to triumph over white people was to break into your"crazy nigger" routine. Lmao. This shit was so fucked up.
Another thing that they did was drug people and leave them in catatonic states if they were acting up or showing mental instabilities. They also had a sensory deprivation box where they would keep people for days up to weeks when they got out of line. Oh and they would force people to box each other and increase the strength of the other opponent and the one who was to be punished got beaten down. They even did this to kids.
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF double-posted this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,563
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF triple-posted this 7 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,564
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF quadruple-posted this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,566
Oh and Jim Jones also preached that everyone was gay, but him. So that if anyone had or wanted to have heterosexual relations, they were overcompensating for their gayness.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,567
@908,564 (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
> Socialism makes me nervous because of stuff like this
lol'd
@908,563 (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
I think it was Jim Jr
> Socialism makes me nervous because of stuff like this
lol'd
@908,563 (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
I think it was Jim Jr
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,570
@previous (G)
Oh the black one
He is a Jim Jones apologist and acts like Jim was just some tragic figure or something.
Oh the black one
He is a Jim Jones apologist and acts like Jim was just some tragic figure or something.
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,572
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
yeah he was black
idk his other kids but he was someone that people knew around town
supposed to be an ok guy
yeah he was black
idk his other kids but he was someone that people knew around town
supposed to be an ok guy
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,573
@908,549 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Communal living has historically been a really common theme among many breakaway Christian sects. More than just the Anabaptist sects like the Amish and Mennonites, also the Bruderhof Communities, the Shakers, the Twelve Tribes, etc. The Mormons had a version of communal living early on in the movement where people would pool property and resources. There's a good deal of scriptural basis for it based on how Jesus and the apostles lived and moved around.
I'd only get scared of Bernie if he starts pretending he talks to God.
Communal living has historically been a really common theme among many breakaway Christian sects. More than just the Anabaptist sects like the Amish and Mennonites, also the Bruderhof Communities, the Shakers, the Twelve Tribes, etc. The Mormons had a version of communal living early on in the movement where people would pool property and resources. There's a good deal of scriptural basis for it based on how Jesus and the apostles lived and moved around.
I'd only get scared of Bernie if he starts pretending he talks to God.
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,579
@908,572 (G)
People were mad at him because there was a memorial plaque for the victims of Jonestown and he fought to have Jim Jones' name on it
http://jonestownapologistsalert.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-jonestown-memorial-honoring-madman.html?m=1
People were mad at him because there was a memorial plaque for the victims of Jonestown and he fought to have Jim Jones' name on it
http://jonestownapologistsalert.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-jonestown-memorial-honoring-madman.html?m=1
Anonymous G replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #908,582
@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
wow there's actually an entire blog dedicated to outing 'jonestown apologists'? lol
i remember the kerfuffle
wow there's actually an entire blog dedicated to outing 'jonestown apologists'? lol
i remember the kerfuffle
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 16 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,746
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF double-posted this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,747
Another interesting thing that happened at Jonestown: They had a man who was a pedophile there and attempted to give him therapy for his deviance. It didn't take and he ended up molesting a little boy. Since The Peoples Temple didn't believe in involving the police or court system into their business, they brought the child molester in front of the whole populace and brutally beat his penis with a rubber hose.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,748
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,751
@previous (I)
Yes and they have no idea of how many because they only did autopsies on a handful of people.
Yes and they have no idea of how many because they only did autopsies on a handful of people.
MR MIKE PENCE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 3 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,794
@908,519 (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
I feel like if someone asked me to practice suicide I would leave the room
I feel like if someone asked me to practice suicide I would leave the room
Kook !!a6qjFG7HF replied with this 7 years ago, 11 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #908,798
@previous (MR MIKE PENCE)
The first time he did it, he only did it to the inner circle. He had been preaching the idea of revolutionary suicide as a way to get back at their persecutors. So he called them all into a meeting (which was normal), and offered them wine (which wasn't normal). Then after everyone had drank the liquid, he told everyone that he had poisoned them. Some people believed him and some had been instructed beforehand to pretend to collapse and die. After a suitable amount of time had passed, he announced that it was all a test. And the people who didn't react stoically, were castigated. I believe that they were already in Guyana by the time he was running poison drills on the peons, which was a hard situation to get out of.
The first time he did it, he only did it to the inner circle. He had been preaching the idea of revolutionary suicide as a way to get back at their persecutors. So he called them all into a meeting (which was normal), and offered them wine (which wasn't normal). Then after everyone had drank the liquid, he told everyone that he had poisoned them. Some people believed him and some had been instructed beforehand to pretend to collapse and die. After a suitable amount of time had passed, he announced that it was all a test. And the people who didn't react stoically, were castigated. I believe that they were already in Guyana by the time he was running poison drills on the peons, which was a hard situation to get out of.