Topic: Fuck. Tariffs hit my work...
squeegee started this discussion 7 years ago #77,166
Fucking germans and their high precision milled components and assemblies. American distributors are out of fucking stock and won't be resupplied till the fucking fall... I told these bitches this shit would happen and hurt our business directly, but did anyone listen? No! MAGA! Librul tears!Fucking idiots.
Apologize.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #904,280
Time to 3D print your components
After all you can copypaste the precision you want and for sure it will print out exactly to the very fraction of a meter you want.
+/- some error but who is counting
After all you can copypaste the precision you want and for sure it will print out exactly to the very fraction of a meter you want.
+/- some error but who is counting
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,282
Syntax replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,283
@previous (squeegee)
Yea I fully believe you. There is a USA company that makes nails and they are closing business and sending 500 employees packing.
Yea I fully believe you. There is a USA company that makes nails and they are closing business and sending 500 employees packing.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,284
MAGA
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,288
Why did you even get into any industry revolving around manufacturing in the US? It's been consistently declining for about 3 decades now. Wake up.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,290
@previous (D)
The manufacturing is done in Germany, we're a global company reliant on free trade. Like 100%. Like everyone else.
The manufacturing is done in Germany, we're a global company reliant on free trade. Like 100%. Like everyone else.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,294
@previous (squeegee)
Your response did not relate to my question at all. You're in a company that is one small step removed from manufacturing.
Your response did not relate to my question at all. You're in a company that is one small step removed from manufacturing.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,295
Why do you care? You’re just a factory line worker screwing widget A onto widget B, and getting paid slightly above minimum wage. Stop being so dramatic.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #904,296
Tariffs just make imports more expensive, not unavailable.
Remember when Obama put a tariff on Chinese tires and everyone had to drive on bare steel rims because of the tire shortage? Exactly.
Remember when Obama put a tariff on Chinese tires and everyone had to drive on bare steel rims because of the tire shortage? Exactly.
chill dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,303
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
lmao do you still believe this shit
once fees hit a certain point it is impractical to continue to import
lmao do you still believe this shit
once fees hit a certain point it is impractical to continue to import
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,308
@904,295 (E)
Well, no, but it's cute you think I'd find it insulting to be doing the work I pay people to do. No one here is minimum wage either, we're not running the Mickey mouse club over here. thanks.
Well, no, but it's cute you think I'd find it insulting to be doing the work I pay people to do. No one here is minimum wage either, we're not running the Mickey mouse club over here. thanks.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,309
@904,303 (chill dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Do I still believe tariffs increase the cost of imported goods? Yes.
Do I still believe tariffs increase the cost of imported goods? Yes.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,310
Anonymous D double-posted this 7 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,311
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,313
@904,296 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Well, you're wrong because the German manufacturers have cut off American distributors. The manufacturing these companies do is one of Germany's protected industries and is slightly socialized so the government has a large amount of say in how this particular industry operates in germany and how those companies supply foreign markets.
We are being cut off. We just don't know why today. Either they are cutting supply due to tariffs and as a response they are securing parts for germany and the EU over the American market or they are stocking surplus and just cutting off trade because they are an industry the government can strangle.
Anyway, you're very wrong. I know my business pretty well, tbh, and I just got off the phone with germany this morning about this. So.
If this shit effects us then look out, shit is going to get ugly... you'd be pretty surprised to find out what components I'm talking about too. Some of you definately use them.
Well, you're wrong because the German manufacturers have cut off American distributors. The manufacturing these companies do is one of Germany's protected industries and is slightly socialized so the government has a large amount of say in how this particular industry operates in germany and how those companies supply foreign markets.
We are being cut off. We just don't know why today. Either they are cutting supply due to tariffs and as a response they are securing parts for germany and the EU over the American market or they are stocking surplus and just cutting off trade because they are an industry the government can strangle.
Anyway, you're very wrong. I know my business pretty well, tbh, and I just got off the phone with germany this morning about this. So.
If this shit effects us then look out, shit is going to get ugly... you'd be pretty surprised to find out what components I'm talking about too. Some of you definately use them.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,314
@904,310 (D)
> When did you get your degree in macroeconomics?
@904,311 (D)
> Keep justifying yourself to strangers on the internet.
@904,288 (D)
> Why did you even get into any industry revolving around manufacturing in the US? It's been consistently declining for about 3 decades now. Wake up.
what's wrong with you
are you the autistic millionaire
> When did you get your degree in macroeconomics?
@904,311 (D)
> Keep justifying yourself to strangers on the internet.
@904,288 (D)
> Why did you even get into any industry revolving around manufacturing in the US? It's been consistently declining for about 3 decades now. Wake up.
what's wrong with you
are you the autistic millionaire
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,316
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,317
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,318
@previous (D)
Are you too stupid to explain what your point is or are you going to make me guess what retarded shit you think that means?
Are you too stupid to explain what your point is or are you going to make me guess what retarded shit you think that means?
Syntax replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,319
My 2Cents
Just B4 the Tariffs, Qualcomm put out an offer to buy a Netherlands company (Mega Billion $ Deal) and every country has signed off on the buy out except China. China's only reason for holding off is to stick it to Trump - Perhaps next week is the very last week to make this deal a Go
I am forbidden to discuss how this relates to my Wallet - Fact is the Netherlands company business has been OFF because what they make is a long lead item and if orders are not placed NOW - They will not be placed Later for up to a couple three years or so.
Product is about the Internet of things as it relates to self driving cars.
Just B4 the Tariffs, Qualcomm put out an offer to buy a Netherlands company (Mega Billion $ Deal) and every country has signed off on the buy out except China. China's only reason for holding off is to stick it to Trump - Perhaps next week is the very last week to make this deal a Go
I am forbidden to discuss how this relates to my Wallet - Fact is the Netherlands company business has been OFF because what they make is a long lead item and if orders are not placed NOW - They will not be placed Later for up to a couple three years or so.
Product is about the Internet of things as it relates to self driving cars.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,320
@904,318 (squeegee)
lol, you really make me laugh, squeege. Which post are you confused about? The one you just quoted or something earlier?
lol, you really make me laugh, squeege. Which post are you confused about? The one you just quoted or something earlier?
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,323
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 8 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,324
@904,319 (Syntax)
Aren't you late for an international business meeting with the Galatic Emperor Re: satellites in intergalactic territory?
Aren't you late for an international business meeting with the Galatic Emperor Re: satellites in intergalactic territory?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,326
@904,313 (squeegee)
You're part of a Native American tribe right? Is there a tribal nation for your tribe? Can they make trade treaties?
You're part of a Native American tribe right? Is there a tribal nation for your tribe? Can they make trade treaties?
Syntax replied with this 7 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #904,327
@904,324 (D)
Meeting starts at 12:45PM and it's one I can walk in2 after it starts.
No Galactic Emperor will be in attendance as far as I no
I do get to bill them as if I was there at the start and that is cool nuff for me
Meeting starts at 12:45PM and it's one I can walk in2 after it starts.
No Galactic Emperor will be in attendance as far as I no
I do get to bill them as if I was there at the start and that is cool nuff for me
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 56 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,342
@OP
Is your point that those with whom you work are stupid?
And you've been with them how long?
Ever heard of the term guilt by association?
Also your problems are probably karma from you going on about how your granny wouldn't die quick enough to leave you cash. Maybe your group is going to go bankrupt.
Is your point that those with whom you work are stupid?
And you've been with them how long?
Ever heard of the term guilt by association?
Also your problems are probably karma from you going on about how your granny wouldn't die quick enough to leave you cash. Maybe your group is going to go bankrupt.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,344
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 28 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,347
@OP
Can you provide me with a list of tariffs? I'm curious how they are, nobody seems to mention the actual tariffs.
Can you provide me with a list of tariffs? I'm curious how they are, nobody seems to mention the actual tariffs.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,348
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,349
@previous (squeegee)I think you either don't have a fucking clue, or you know Trump actually has a valid point.
Anonymous K double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,350
@904,348 (squeegee)Here are the ones for the EU. Just admit Trump is right on the tariffs fucking over the US.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,352
ITT: we get yet another small clue as to Squeegee’s job, and we add it to the other pieces in the hope of one day figuring out what he does.
Anonymous I replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,353
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,358
@904,349 (K)
@904,350 (K)
Do you think tariffs are like a dick measuring contest and the US always has to have the biggest?
@904,350 (K)
Do you think tariffs are like a dick measuring contest and the US always has to have the biggest?
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,360
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,373
@904,349 (K)
The fuck are you talking about? Your graphs do nothing to help me secure parts from germany you dimwit.
The fuck are you talking about? Your graphs do nothing to help me secure parts from germany you dimwit.
squeegee (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,375
@904,360 (K)
Was working just fine when I was actually able to buy goods from foreign manufacturers. Not so much anymore. There will be actual consequences from trade disputes and your little ponderances about charts and fairness wont change anything when shit only gets worse. Wait and see, and be ready to apologize.
Was working just fine when I was actually able to buy goods from foreign manufacturers. Not so much anymore. There will be actual consequences from trade disputes and your little ponderances about charts and fairness wont change anything when shit only gets worse. Wait and see, and be ready to apologize.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,376
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,377
@904,313 (squeegee)
What's the tariff on these? I'd be more than happy to look it up. I'd be very surprised if they were so steep as to make importing the components uneconomical.
But if it's the German government's decision you'll have to take it up with Merkel then.
What's the tariff on these? I'd be more than happy to look it up. I'd be very surprised if they were so steep as to make importing the components uneconomical.
But if it's the German government's decision you'll have to take it up with Merkel then.
Anonymous M replied with this 7 years ago, 21 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,380
@904,360 (K)
> Do you think these tariffs are fair and not a disadvantage to the US?
That's a complex question that depends on the particular industry, relative costs, domestic vs. international markets, the state of trade, and a thousand other factors. In a lot of cases, it doesn't matter because the US industries are selling domestically and not trying to compete overseas. It's not like the US market is churning out cheap electronics, clothing, and shoes that they expect to sell in China. US businesses have benefited greatly from being able to cheaply import manufactured goods from overseas.
Just looking at a graph and not seeing your country next to the biggest bar isn't really how you judge these things. You are comparing economic barriers others countries put up around their own industries to economic trade barriers the US imposes on imports by US industries. It's like you're saying that if it's hard for a company in France or China to import US goods, then making it just as hard on US companies will make it fair.
> Do you think these tariffs are fair and not a disadvantage to the US?
That's a complex question that depends on the particular industry, relative costs, domestic vs. international markets, the state of trade, and a thousand other factors. In a lot of cases, it doesn't matter because the US industries are selling domestically and not trying to compete overseas. It's not like the US market is churning out cheap electronics, clothing, and shoes that they expect to sell in China. US businesses have benefited greatly from being able to cheaply import manufactured goods from overseas.
Just looking at a graph and not seeing your country next to the biggest bar isn't really how you judge these things. You are comparing economic barriers others countries put up around their own industries to economic trade barriers the US imposes on imports by US industries. It's like you're saying that if it's hard for a company in France or China to import US goods, then making it just as hard on US companies will make it fair.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 25 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,391
@904,377 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Its has nothing to do with things being economical. They have cut the American distributors off. That means there are just flat out no parts available anywhere in the states. It has nothing to do with expense, they have cut off the supply. I would buy them at a higher cost if there were any to buy.
And you cannot import direct from the manufacturer because German law requires 3rd party distribution of these components to foreign markets. This was already a soft tariff by requiring the inclusion of a middle man who hiked up the price. Now with a hard tariff on materials they are drying up the American market probably to ensure availability to the EU.
I could buy these parts retail and go bankrupt though...
Its has nothing to do with things being economical. They have cut the American distributors off. That means there are just flat out no parts available anywhere in the states. It has nothing to do with expense, they have cut off the supply. I would buy them at a higher cost if there were any to buy.
And you cannot import direct from the manufacturer because German law requires 3rd party distribution of these components to foreign markets. This was already a soft tariff by requiring the inclusion of a middle man who hiked up the price. Now with a hard tariff on materials they are drying up the American market probably to ensure availability to the EU.
I could buy these parts retail and go bankrupt though...
(Edited 2 minutes later.)
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,396
@previous (squeegee)
Maybe it's time to move away from the manufacturing sector as people have been advising for decades.
Maybe it's time to move away from the manufacturing sector as people have been advising for decades.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,398
@previous (D)
This has nothing to do with manufacturing, this effects service side and retail. As I've pointed out a few times we buy from the manufacturers distributor.
We do in house manufacturing on a prototype scale. Thanks.
This has nothing to do with manufacturing, this effects service side and retail. As I've pointed out a few times we buy from the manufacturers distributor.
We do in house manufacturing on a prototype scale. Thanks.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,399
@previous (squeegee)
I really don't care what you want to call it. You're clearly too close to manufacturing if you're affected by some tariff on parts.
Put on your thinking cap for a second and try to think of some jobs that would not be as directly affected by policies like this. Here's a hint: there are many!
I really don't care what you want to call it. You're clearly too close to manufacturing if you're affected by some tariff on parts.
Put on your thinking cap for a second and try to think of some jobs that would not be as directly affected by policies like this. Here's a hint: there are many!
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 48 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,400
@904,391 (squeegee)
That's not a tariff though. Tariff is you have to pay x% tax on widgets. Foreign widgets become x% more expensive. If the German government forces the widget manufacturer to discontinue sales to America at any price, that's not a tariff and you have to take it up with Merkel.
That's not a tariff though. Tariff is you have to pay x% tax on widgets. Foreign widgets become x% more expensive. If the German government forces the widget manufacturer to discontinue sales to America at any price, that's not a tariff and you have to take it up with Merkel.
Anonymous K replied with this 7 years ago, 21 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,401
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 30 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,412
@904,400 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Uh huh, yeah, none of this is related to tariffs and the trade wars. Suuuuure. This would have happened anyway, mmhmm.
What does trump's cock taste like anyway? Skin bronzer?
Uh huh, yeah, none of this is related to tariffs and the trade wars. Suuuuure. This would have happened anyway, mmhmm.
What does trump's cock taste like anyway? Skin bronzer?
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,420
@previous (squeegee)
Have you considered buying American thingies instead? Oh wait you hate America like all dumbocraps ??
Have you considered buying American thingies instead? Oh wait you hate America like all dumbocraps ??
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,422
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,440
@904,420 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
International patents prevent this kinda thing dude. C'mon.
Luckily this, so far, only effects 2 specific assemblies and their parts which will impact our ability to service and sell equipment using those parts but those only account for a small portion of our overall business.
Unless this broadens to include all assemblies and parts for this particular type of equipment then the impact will be limited and can be mitigated. But, if it does broaden then we could have a very serious problem on our hands.
And if they are so petty as to effect this type of business then I feel really bad for anyone dealing with the EU on important shit...
We're like a canary, we feel economic upturns and downturns before more critical industries. I have a feeling shit is about to get ugly.
Now apologize.
International patents prevent this kinda thing dude. C'mon.
Luckily this, so far, only effects 2 specific assemblies and their parts which will impact our ability to service and sell equipment using those parts but those only account for a small portion of our overall business.
Unless this broadens to include all assemblies and parts for this particular type of equipment then the impact will be limited and can be mitigated. But, if it does broaden then we could have a very serious problem on our hands.
And if they are so petty as to effect this type of business then I feel really bad for anyone dealing with the EU on important shit...
We're like a canary, we feel economic upturns and downturns before more critical industries. I have a feeling shit is about to get ugly.
Now apologize.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,444
@904,314 (H)
No, that would be me and I fully realize what tariffs do to companies that refuse to adapt.
No, that would be me and I fully realize what tariffs do to companies that refuse to adapt.
Anonymous N double-posted this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,446
@904,440 (squeegee)
Why aren't you making your own, slightly different sprockets? IT only became cheap for the Germans because they invested in the machine.
Why aren't you making your own, slightly different sprockets? IT only became cheap for the Germans because they invested in the machine.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,448
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,455
@904,446 (N)
@previous (D)
Because uh...he doesn't work for a parts manufacturer and businesses don't stop on a dime and enter other kinds of industries because of a parts shortage in one product area?
@previous (D)
Because uh...he doesn't work for a parts manufacturer and businesses don't stop on a dime and enter other kinds of industries because of a parts shortage in one product area?
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 38 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,456
@904,444 (N)
> No, that would be me and I fully realize what tariffs do to companies that refuse to adapt.
lol sure
> No, that would be me and I fully realize what tariffs do to companies that refuse to adapt.
lol sure
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,460
@904,455 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Squeegee has been anticipating this for a LONG time. Why hasn't he made better arrangements?
Squeegee has been anticipating this for a LONG time. Why hasn't he made better arrangements?
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,465
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 1 second later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,466
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,467
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 48 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,469
@previous (H)
Nice observation. We're really doing well in this thread. Putting pieces together. Making connections!
Nice observation. We're really doing well in this thread. Putting pieces together. Making connections!
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 52 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,470
@904,455 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If you can't engineer a solution overnight, then I don't want your stinking company in my country.
If you can't engineer a solution overnight, then I don't want your stinking company in my country.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 54 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,471
@904,460 (N)
My guess is squeegee isn't in management and/or doesn't have the ability to unilaterally make decisions of this scope? Idk, I don't know what he does or where he works but none of these things are crying out for explanation as far as I see.
My guess is squeegee isn't in management and/or doesn't have the ability to unilaterally make decisions of this scope? Idk, I don't know what he does or where he works but none of these things are crying out for explanation as far as I see.
(Edited 23 seconds later.)
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 7 years ago, 54 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,472
@904,470 (N)
You would live in a country with a single digit number of companies. That one digit would be 0.
You would live in a country with a single digit number of companies. That one digit would be 0.
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 28 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,473
@904,469 (D)
@904,470 (N)
i don't like when trolls act like they were just egging their subject on after they're met with reasonable responses. it's lazy
im supposed to believe you're actually as dumb as you are antagonistic
@904,470 (N)
i don't like when trolls act like they were just egging their subject on after they're met with reasonable responses. it's lazy
im supposed to believe you're actually as dumb as you are antagonistic
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,475
@previous (H)
I'm being reasonable too. IF your company survives this, you are the creme of the crop. Corporate Darwinism.
I'm being reasonable too. IF your company survives this, you are the creme of the crop. Corporate Darwinism.
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 42 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,476
@904,473 (H)
It's not that. It's just a matter of giving up. Some people just aren't worth the time of trying to have a reasonable discussion with and, for me, there's always a breaking point for switching modes.
It's not that. It's just a matter of giving up. Some people just aren't worth the time of trying to have a reasonable discussion with and, for me, there's always a breaking point for switching modes.
squeegee (OP) replied with this 7 years ago, 11 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,477
@904,460 (N)
I don't fucking own the place. I sounded the alarm a long time ago and no one listened. I argued for overstocking, maybe they'll listen to me now and protect our other interests. I doubt it though because everyone is burying their heads being dismissive of the problem since it has limited scope (for now) and no one wants to admit they were wrong. Probably not even when it's too late...
I don't fucking own the place. I sounded the alarm a long time ago and no one listened. I argued for overstocking, maybe they'll listen to me now and protect our other interests. I doubt it though because everyone is burying their heads being dismissive of the problem since it has limited scope (for now) and no one wants to admit they were wrong. Probably not even when it's too late...
Anonymous D replied with this 7 years ago, 53 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,478
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,479
@904,477 (squeegee)
Look, I don't know... maybe china and the rest should buy some more American shit. If those countries had more wealth, they wouldn't have to ding us so hard anytime we try to move some shit over there.
Look, I don't know... maybe china and the rest should buy some more American shit. If those countries had more wealth, they wouldn't have to ding us so hard anytime we try to move some shit over there.
Anonymous E replied with this 7 years ago, 59 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,502
Trade is like the only thing Trump is right on. Though it’s impossible for him to really do anything about it without using retaliatory tariffs and hoping the other parties are willing to negotiate.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,535
@904,420 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
> Have you considered buying American thingies instead? Oh wait you hate America like all dumbocraps ??
the fuck
> Have you considered buying American thingies instead? Oh wait you hate America like all dumbocraps ??
the fuck
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,536
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,537
@904,502 (E)
> Trade is like the only thing Trump is right on. Though it’s impossible for him to really do anything about it without using retaliatory tariffs and hoping the other parties are willing to negotiate.
Trump is not an honest negotiator though, and everyone has learned to believe nothing he says or to be surprised by anything stupid he does
people of reason have learned to treat him as a flaw that requires work-around
> Trade is like the only thing Trump is right on. Though it’s impossible for him to really do anything about it without using retaliatory tariffs and hoping the other parties are willing to negotiate.
Trump is not an honest negotiator though, and everyone has learned to believe nothing he says or to be surprised by anything stupid he does
people of reason have learned to treat him as a flaw that requires work-around
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 12 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,538
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 7 years ago, 13 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,539
Anonymous N replied with this 7 years ago, 10 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,541
Anonymous H replied with this 7 years ago, 51 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,549
@previous (N)
> hasnt Mark been through enough?
ha
ha
ha
its funnier because I was confused at Sheila mentioning another poster at all until I realized he wasn't
> hasnt Mark been through enough?
ha
ha
ha
its funnier because I was confused at Sheila mentioning another poster at all until I realized he wasn't
Anonymous M replied with this 7 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,553
@904,479 (N)
> maybe china and the rest should buy some more American shit
They do. China is the third largest market for US exports after Canada and the EU. The problem isn't that these places aren't buying things from the US. While the US has a trade goods deficit in each of these markets, it also has a trade services surplus. So, it isn't like money isn't coming into the US.
@904,538 (N)
> Don't believe him then, but mark his words.
Trump says all kinds of shit, and he's bound to hit on something important eventually. People have been worrying about the trade deficit with China for decades. He's not saying anything new. People have been vocal about the future of US manufacturing since the auto industry tanked, but aircraft, industrial machinery, medical equipment, and vehicles are still major US exports. (along with agriculture and pharmaceuticals)
Trump has brought up some good ideas. Some things he said about overhauling health care early on were pretty promising, and that really needs to happen in the US. He started talking about modernizing US infrastructure about a year ago, and that is going to need to be addressed eventually. The relatively specialized manufacturing needs the US provides won't be marketable or keep it on top forever, and the US is going to have to balance increasing automation with having an employed middle class.
The issues Trump brings up aren't new problems. He's not some visionary saying new things. I'm sure someone in the future will try to go back and try to make him sound like a prophet because one of thousand things that tumbled from his mouth has become relevant for them. His words would be worth remembering if he succeeded in solving some of the problems instead of complaining about them.
> maybe china and the rest should buy some more American shit
They do. China is the third largest market for US exports after Canada and the EU. The problem isn't that these places aren't buying things from the US. While the US has a trade goods deficit in each of these markets, it also has a trade services surplus. So, it isn't like money isn't coming into the US.
@904,538 (N)
> Don't believe him then, but mark his words.
Trump says all kinds of shit, and he's bound to hit on something important eventually. People have been worrying about the trade deficit with China for decades. He's not saying anything new. People have been vocal about the future of US manufacturing since the auto industry tanked, but aircraft, industrial machinery, medical equipment, and vehicles are still major US exports. (along with agriculture and pharmaceuticals)
Trump has brought up some good ideas. Some things he said about overhauling health care early on were pretty promising, and that really needs to happen in the US. He started talking about modernizing US infrastructure about a year ago, and that is going to need to be addressed eventually. The relatively specialized manufacturing needs the US provides won't be marketable or keep it on top forever, and the US is going to have to balance increasing automation with having an employed middle class.
The issues Trump brings up aren't new problems. He's not some visionary saying new things. I'm sure someone in the future will try to go back and try to make him sound like a prophet because one of thousand things that tumbled from his mouth has become relevant for them. His words would be worth remembering if he succeeded in solving some of the problems instead of complaining about them.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 7 years ago, 20 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,560
@previous (M)One thing I think is important to point out is U.S. manufacturing output is doing just fine. Output generally has increased since 1988, peaking just before the Great Recession and recently climbing back up to roughly the 2nd highest output ever. Manufacturing employment however is a very different story. It was generally trending down until the recession in '01 when it dropped off a cliff, and then the recession in '08 exacerbated an already precipitous decline. It started to increase again a little bit towards the middle/end of Obama's first term and continued to climb in his second term.
These jobs didn't go to Mexico or China or wherever really, they stayed right here in the U.S of A. They just, you know, didn't go to people.
Anonymous M replied with this 7 years ago, 51 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #904,578
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yes, that manufacturing output doesn't necessarily mean manufacturing jobs is certainly an important distinction to make. Also, thanks for introducing me to FRED. I'll be off playing with graphs for a bit now.
Yes, that manufacturing output doesn't necessarily mean manufacturing jobs is certainly an important distinction to make. Also, thanks for introducing me to FRED. I'll be off playing with graphs for a bit now.
MR MIKE PENCE joined in and replied with this 7 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #906,018
This topic is gay