Topic: The abuse of children on the US border is immoral and contrary to Catholic values - Pope Francis
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U started this discussion 8 years ago #76,407
I join His Holiness The Pope in denouncing the abuse of children by the American government and I shall pray for a swift end to this inhumanity. Join me please:
Loving Father, in your infinite compassion we seek your divine protection for refugee children who are alone and afraid. Comfort them in their sorrow, and bring help in their time of need. Guide those children who are strangers in a foreign land to a place of peace and safety, and reunite them with their families and loved ones.
For this we pray through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever.
Amen.
Loving Father, in your infinite compassion we seek your divine protection for refugee children who are alone and afraid. Comfort them in their sorrow, and bring help in their time of need. Guide those children who are strangers in a foreign land to a place of peace and safety, and reunite them with their families and loved ones.
For this we pray through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever.
Amen.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later[^] [v] #898,437
Cram it faggot
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 10 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #898,441
@previous (B)
"A hot-tempered person stirs up conflict, but the one who is patient calms a quarrel" - Proverbs 15:18
"A hot-tempered person stirs up conflict, but the one who is patient calms a quarrel" - Proverbs 15:18
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,447
Ionize tg2dave
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,448
Popes protect pedophile priests. Most of the Popes are pedophiles themselves.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 35 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,452
@previous (D)
> Popes protect pedophile priests.
They 'protect' the Catholic Church. The Priests are always admonished.
> Most of the Popes are pedophiles themselves.
Any proof of this wild claim, or are you just bearing some false witness here?
> Popes protect pedophile priests.
They 'protect' the Catholic Church. The Priests are always admonished.
> Most of the Popes are pedophiles themselves.
Any proof of this wild claim, or are you just bearing some false witness here?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,453
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> The Priests are always admonished
Not true. After a few hail Mary's they are relocated to another church to continue their pedophilia.
> The Priests are always admonished
Not true. After a few hail Mary's they are relocated to another church to continue their pedophilia.
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,454
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/pope-reduces-sanctions-against-some-paedophile-priests/
Pope reduces sanctions against many of the paedophile priests
Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of paedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful Church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and the Pope’s own advisers question.
One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the Pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. Fr Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.
The Inzoli case is one of several in which Francis overruled the advice of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and reduced a sentence that called for the priest to be laicised, two canon lawyers and a Church official told AP. Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry.
In some cases, the priests or their high-ranking friends appealed to Francis for clemency by citing the Pope’s own words about mercy in their petitions, the Church official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the proceedings are confidential.
“With all this emphasis on mercy … he is creating the environment for such initiatives,” the Church official said, adding that clemency petitions were rarely granted by Pope Benedict XVI, who launched a tough crackdown during his 2005-2013 papacy and laicised some 800 priests who raped and molested children.
800 priests who raped and molested children
Pope reduces sanctions against many of the paedophile priests
Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of paedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful Church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and the Pope’s own advisers question.
One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the Pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. Fr Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.
The Inzoli case is one of several in which Francis overruled the advice of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and reduced a sentence that called for the priest to be laicised, two canon lawyers and a Church official told AP. Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry.
In some cases, the priests or their high-ranking friends appealed to Francis for clemency by citing the Pope’s own words about mercy in their petitions, the Church official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the proceedings are confidential.
“With all this emphasis on mercy … he is creating the environment for such initiatives,” the Church official said, adding that clemency petitions were rarely granted by Pope Benedict XVI, who launched a tough crackdown during his 2005-2013 papacy and laicised some 800 priests who raped and molested children.
800 priests who raped and molested children
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,455
"Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry."
Dang that is serious hands slapped for the rape and torture of children. All in the name of Jesus Christ.
Dang that is serious hands slapped for the rape and torture of children. All in the name of Jesus Christ.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,456
Friendly reminder that the author of this thread was fired from a catholic institution for sexual misconduct involving children.
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,457
So are homosexuality and abortion tbqh fam.
Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,458
https://prepareforchange.net/2017/05/15/pope-francis-absolves-2000-pedophile-priests-no-arrests-necessary/
Pope Francis Absolves 2,000 Pedophile Priests – “No Arrests Necessary”
Pope Francis has come under fire after announcing that over 2,000 pedophile priests will not face criminal prosecution and may be absolved by the Vatican for their heinous crimes.
Speaking to reporters aboard the Papal plane on Saturday, Francis responded to criticism leveled at the Vatican’s handling of sex abuse cases by Marie Collins – an Irish child abuse survivor who resigned from Francis’ internal sex abuse advisory commission in March.
According to Fox News, Pope Francis acknowledged that the Vatican has a 2,000-case backlog in processing clerical sex abuse cases and says criticism of the slow pace was justified. But he says more staff are being added and insists the Vatican is ‘on the right path.’
In this instance, “on the right path” likely means “we’re going to do nothing about it.” The Church has a long and dark history of covering up pedophilia cases and protecting priests caught raping children. Earlier in May, the Vatican also come under fire for forgiving a priest who admitted to raping 30 young children, infecting them with the HIV virus.
Pope Francis Absolves 2,000 Pedophile Priests – “No Arrests Necessary”
Pope Francis has come under fire after announcing that over 2,000 pedophile priests will not face criminal prosecution and may be absolved by the Vatican for their heinous crimes.
Speaking to reporters aboard the Papal plane on Saturday, Francis responded to criticism leveled at the Vatican’s handling of sex abuse cases by Marie Collins – an Irish child abuse survivor who resigned from Francis’ internal sex abuse advisory commission in March.
According to Fox News, Pope Francis acknowledged that the Vatican has a 2,000-case backlog in processing clerical sex abuse cases and says criticism of the slow pace was justified. But he says more staff are being added and insists the Vatican is ‘on the right path.’
In this instance, “on the right path” likely means “we’re going to do nothing about it.” The Church has a long and dark history of covering up pedophilia cases and protecting priests caught raping children. Earlier in May, the Vatican also come under fire for forgiving a priest who admitted to raping 30 young children, infecting them with the HIV virus.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,462
Womp womp
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,466
@898,453 (E)
> >The Priests are always admonished
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> Not true. After a few hail Mary's they are relocated to another church to continue their pedophilia.
You trivialise the Act of Contrition (and spread lies about 'continuing their pedophilia'). If a Priest has truly repented of his sins, and suffered for them through prayer and self-searching, and has earnt God's mercy, then why shouldn't he be forgiven? It is not so simple a process as saying "a few Hail Marys". We are talking here about the very long and complex process of repentence.
> >The Priests are always admonished
>
> Not true. After a few hail Mary's they are relocated to another church to continue their pedophilia.
You trivialise the Act of Contrition (and spread lies about 'continuing their pedophilia'). If a Priest has truly repented of his sins, and suffered for them through prayer and self-searching, and has earnt God's mercy, then why shouldn't he be forgiven? It is not so simple a process as saying "a few Hail Marys". We are talking here about the very long and complex process of repentence.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,467
@898,455 (F)
> "Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry."
You see? Removal from public ministry. Thank you, Anon F, for proving Anon E's claim factually wrong.
> "Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry."
You see? Removal from public ministry. Thank you, Anon F, for proving Anon E's claim factually wrong.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,468
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,469
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11954518
Catholic Church moved priests, allowing pedophiles to target more children
The Catholic Church's catastrophic and inexcusable failures to deal with pedophiles in its ranks in Australia led to more children being sexually abused by its Ballarat clergy, a royal commission has found.
Protecting the church's reputation and avoiding scandal drove the Diocese of Ballarat's handling of abuse complaints spanning at least three decades, the inquiry has found in its report released today.
Former Ballarat bishop Ronald Mulkearns led the extraordinary failures, with the child abuse royal commission slamming his appalling conduct and reckless indifference to children's safety.
When allegations surfaced priests were moved to another parish where they often offended again.
Catholic Church moved priests, allowing pedophiles to target more children
The Catholic Church's catastrophic and inexcusable failures to deal with pedophiles in its ranks in Australia led to more children being sexually abused by its Ballarat clergy, a royal commission has found.
Protecting the church's reputation and avoiding scandal drove the Diocese of Ballarat's handling of abuse complaints spanning at least three decades, the inquiry has found in its report released today.
Former Ballarat bishop Ronald Mulkearns led the extraordinary failures, with the child abuse royal commission slamming his appalling conduct and reckless indifference to children's safety.
When allegations surfaced priests were moved to another parish where they often offended again.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 53 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,470
@898,458 (E)
> Earlier in May, the Vatican also come under fire for forgiving a priest who admitted to raping 30 young children, infecting them with the HIV virus
Ladies and gentlemen, please let the record show that Anon E is now peddling instantly verifiable nonsense and infamous hoaxes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pedophile-priest-crucified/
From the article:
"Neon Nettle is a frequent purveyor of viral fake news stories and conspiracy theories, and nothing published on that site should be believed without further investigation. In this case, we found no evidence that a Mexican priest named Jose Garcia Ataulfo was accused of child rape and then crucified, or that such a person even exists at all"
Congratulations Anon E, you have just successfully napalmed the last vestige of your credibility. I have made such a mess of you.
> Earlier in May, the Vatican also come under fire for forgiving a priest who admitted to raping 30 young children, infecting them with the HIV virus
Ladies and gentlemen, please let the record show that Anon E is now peddling instantly verifiable nonsense and infamous hoaxes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pedophile-priest-crucified/
From the article:
"Neon Nettle is a frequent purveyor of viral fake news stories and conspiracy theories, and nothing published on that site should be believed without further investigation. In this case, we found no evidence that a Mexican priest named Jose Garcia Ataulfo was accused of child rape and then crucified, or that such a person even exists at all"
Congratulations Anon E, you have just successfully napalmed the last vestige of your credibility. I have made such a mess of you.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,471
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 28 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,476
> ionize tg2daveAnonymous M joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 11 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,605
@898,452 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
admonished..
but shouldn't that be imprisoned for a very long time..
admonished..
but shouldn't that be imprisoned for a very long time..
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 5 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #898,658
@previous (M)
> admonished..
>
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> but shouldn't that be imprisoned for a very long time..
If the laws of the land say so, then yes. I'm not sure what authority you think the Vatican has to start locking people up in other countries.
But you again clearly don't realise the depth or severity of the Act of Contrition to a man of God. Being 'locked up in prison' is only a physical punishment. It takes away physical freedom. Whereas repentence is a painful, spiritual cleansing and vulnerability before God. It is impossible for people who are not men and women of God to understand this, which is why you think in simple, animalistic frames of punishment like 'putting somebody in a locked room for a long time'.
> admonished..
>
>
> but shouldn't that be imprisoned for a very long time..
If the laws of the land say so, then yes. I'm not sure what authority you think the Vatican has to start locking people up in other countries.
But you again clearly don't realise the depth or severity of the Act of Contrition to a man of God. Being 'locked up in prison' is only a physical punishment. It takes away physical freedom. Whereas repentence is a painful, spiritual cleansing and vulnerability before God. It is impossible for people who are not men and women of God to understand this, which is why you think in simple, animalistic frames of punishment like 'putting somebody in a locked room for a long time'.
Anonymous M replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,666
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
the imprisonment for a very long time is to make the children safe..
the imprisonment for a very long time is to make the children safe..
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,685
@previous (M)
Merrin/TG doesn't want prison for a long time. All the guys in there are over his age limit of 12.
Merrin/TG doesn't want prison for a long time. All the guys in there are over his age limit of 12.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,686
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,688
@898,666 (M)
> the imprisonment for a very long time is to make the children safe..
A properly contrite and penitent person is by definition no danger to anyone. To lock up a truly repentent person for the purpose of safety would be pointless.
> the imprisonment for a very long time is to make the children safe..
A properly contrite and penitent person is by definition no danger to anyone. To lock up a truly repentent person for the purpose of safety would be pointless.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 8 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,690
@898,685 (B)
Kindly post your perverted prison-pedo fantasies elsewhere. We are discussing sin and redemption in this thread. Thanks.
Kindly post your perverted prison-pedo fantasies elsewhere. We are discussing sin and redemption in this thread. Thanks.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,693
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,709
@previous (O)
And try to keep your pedorage to, at most, 3 UIDs please. You're talking up half the alphabet here.
And try to keep your pedorage to, at most, 3 UIDs please. You're talking up half the alphabet here.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,711
pedo in spanish means fart lol
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,712
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Numbers 31:17-18
Numbers 31:17-18
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Anonymous P replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,713
Mark 11:15
Then they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves;
Then they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves;
Anonymous P double-posted this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,715
And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, "Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business." His disciples remembered that it was written, "ZEAL FOR YOUR HOUSE WILL CONSUME ME."
John. 2:15-17
John. 2:15-17
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,769
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,773
@previous (R)
> *Nice we post.
Yes: myself, anon D, anon E, and anon M.
It's often wise when seeking to join a discussion to recognise how it began. Do so in future. Thanks.
> *Nice we post.
Yes: myself, anon D, anon E, and anon M.
It's often wise when seeking to join a discussion to recognise how it began. Do so in future. Thanks.
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,775
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 50 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #898,784
@previous (S)
I completely agree. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" (Romans 13:1). In other words, the laws of the land are their own thing, and must be obeyed as part of the social contract. Whereas the Covenent between God and man is separate and its own thing.
I completely agree. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" (Romans 13:1). In other words, the laws of the land are their own thing, and must be obeyed as part of the social contract. Whereas the Covenent between God and man is separate and its own thing.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) double-posted this 7 years ago, 1 month later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #905,934
The Catholic Church yet again leads the way in combating child sexual abuse:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44993221
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44993221