Topic: Is it true that ICE is separating refugee families
YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2 started this discussion 8 years ago #75,757
And losing children? Becky, have you heard about this?
beckyderp !RwordOooFE joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 48 seconds later[^] [v] #892,881
I'm trying to ignore this news. It's too sad.
YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2 (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #892,882
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 31 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #892,888
If they wouldn't be coming here illegally, then they wouldn't have to worry about it, would they?
YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2 (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #892,889
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 17 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #892,890
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,891
The "It was all Obama's idea!" excuse is such a trope anymore. It surfaced about the Muslim ban, it surfaced during gun control debates, and now it's here again. Trump supporters seem to be caught in some quantum state where they want to give Trump credit but can't stop blaming Obama for everything.
YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2 (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,892
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,894
@previous (YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2)
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067877/family-detention-immigration-flores
The detainees reported sleeping eight to a room, in violation of the Flores settlement, with little exercise or stimulation for the children. Many were under the age of 6 and had been raised on a diet of tortillas, rice and chicken bits. In Artesia, the institutional cafeteria foods were as unfamiliar as the penal atmosphere, and to their parents’ horror, many of the children refused to eat. "Gaunt kids, moms crying, they’re losing hair, up all night," an attorney named Maria Andrade recalled. Another, Lisa Johnson-Firth, said: "I saw children who were malnourished and were not adapting. One 7-year-old just lay in his mother’s arms while she bottle-fed him." Mary O’Leary, who made three trips to Artesia last fall, said: "I was trying to talk to one client about her case, and just a few feet away at another table there was this lady with a toddler between 2 and 4 years old, just lying limp. This was a sick kid, and just with this horrible racking cough."
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067877/family-detention-immigration-flores
The detainees reported sleeping eight to a room, in violation of the Flores settlement, with little exercise or stimulation for the children. Many were under the age of 6 and had been raised on a diet of tortillas, rice and chicken bits. In Artesia, the institutional cafeteria foods were as unfamiliar as the penal atmosphere, and to their parents’ horror, many of the children refused to eat. "Gaunt kids, moms crying, they’re losing hair, up all night," an attorney named Maria Andrade recalled. Another, Lisa Johnson-Firth, said: "I saw children who were malnourished and were not adapting. One 7-year-old just lay in his mother’s arms while she bottle-fed him." Mary O’Leary, who made three trips to Artesia last fall, said: "I was trying to talk to one client about her case, and just a few feet away at another table there was this lady with a toddler between 2 and 4 years old, just lying limp. This was a sick kid, and just with this horrible racking cough."
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,896
why didn't I see anything about this in the news on Reddit or in the metro
I only heard cause a couple American Facebook friends talked about it
Coincidentally political candidates have been using the 'right to be forgotten' to hide articles about them in google results (yes I know it's Europe and not America but...)
what the fuck has happened to these children
im worried that that they're lined up in ditches
I hope some got away
I only heard cause a couple American Facebook friends talked about it
Coincidentally political candidates have been using the 'right to be forgotten' to hide articles about them in google results (yes I know it's Europe and not America but...)
what the fuck has happened to these children
im worried that that they're lined up in ditches
I hope some got away
YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2 (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,897
@892,894 (D)
All that means is that Obama was wrong too. It is in Trump’s hands now. Can’t keep blaming the past. What is Trump doing about it?
All that means is that Obama was wrong too. It is in Trump’s hands now. Can’t keep blaming the past. What is Trump doing about it?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,900
@previous (YeastPaste™ !iAYoMftFR2)
Trump has increased the efficiency of separating the children. May be worthy of a Nobel prize.
Trump has increased the efficiency of separating the children. May be worthy of a Nobel prize.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #892,901
Trump made a campaign promise to solve immigration. He is working harder than anyone else to stop it. That will help him win the next election.
I don't like it. The people who voted for him do.
I don't like it. The people who voted for him do.
Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,902
@892,896 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
The new US "zero-tolerance" policy is prosecuting every individual illegally crossing the border. Before, families would generally be sent back together if caught. Now children are being taken away from their parents to process everyone individually. Well, the US government managed to lose track of some kids while various federal agencies were all trying to figure out who was responsible for them.
The new US "zero-tolerance" policy is prosecuting every individual illegally crossing the border. Before, families would generally be sent back together if caught. Now children are being taken away from their parents to process everyone individually. Well, the US government managed to lose track of some kids while various federal agencies were all trying to figure out who was responsible for them.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,903
@previous (E)
Going to cost to much money to find out where the kids are. ICE agents are not trained as bookkeepers. For every hour spent looking for them, are hours spent not working on the zero tolerance policy.
Going to cost to much money to find out where the kids are. ICE agents are not trained as bookkeepers. For every hour spent looking for them, are hours spent not working on the zero tolerance policy.
Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,910
@previous (I)
> ICE agents are not trained as bookkeepers.
No one is asking them to be bookkeepers. Agencies under Health and Human services are supposed to be doing that, but they are failing. It's not much of a zero tolerance policy if you apprehend illegal aliens and then lose track of them inside the country. Aside from the affront to family values caused by forcibly separating children from parents and guardians, it's bad border policing. It's the equivalent of cops catching the bank robber and then letting him escape while they go get coffee.
> ICE agents are not trained as bookkeepers.
No one is asking them to be bookkeepers. Agencies under Health and Human services are supposed to be doing that, but they are failing. It's not much of a zero tolerance policy if you apprehend illegal aliens and then lose track of them inside the country. Aside from the affront to family values caused by forcibly separating children from parents and guardians, it's bad border policing. It's the equivalent of cops catching the bank robber and then letting him escape while they go get coffee.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,912
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,948
It's the Trump administration's typical kind of policy: incompetent and sadistic. In that order.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,958
At least the Trump admin is cracking down on pedophile rings and has busted thousands of pedo's and rescued kids that were locked up in basements. But you won't see MSM report on that.42 arrested http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/tbi-announces-42-arrests-in-human-trafficking-operation/646262689
474 arrested and 28 kids freed: http://ktla.com/2017/02/01/474-arrested-28-sexually-exploited-children-rescued-during-statewide-human-trafficking
108 arrested http://abc7chicago.com/news/108-arrested-in-illinois-in-sex-sting;-752-arrested-across-us/1746351/
178 arrested http://abc13.com/news/sports-agent-among-178-arrested-in-trafficking-sting/1744436/
And thats ONLY for the beginning of 2017. The counter is much higher now. But its only local news reporting on this, why?
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,962
@previous (L)
Did you really just try to justify splitting up immigrant families, stealing their children, kicking the parents out of the countty, giving the children to sex traffickers and then losing them because the Trump administration will get around to arresting the people who raped them eventually???? Do you have a soul?
Did you really just try to justify splitting up immigrant families, stealing their children, kicking the parents out of the countty, giving the children to sex traffickers and then losing them because the Trump administration will get around to arresting the people who raped them eventually???? Do you have a soul?
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,963
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Where in my post did I justify anything? I merely shared some news stories and asked a question. Stop your idiotic assumptions.
Where in my post did I justify anything? I merely shared some news stories and asked a question. Stop your idiotic assumptions.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,964
@892,890 (D)
Obama didn't split up families afaik. He would put families in detention centers but it wasn't policy to split up kids from their parents, or kick parents out. This is explicitly a Trump admin cruelty. https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-sessions-delivers-remarks-discussing-immigration-enforcement-actions
Obama didn't split up families afaik. He would put families in detention centers but it wasn't policy to split up kids from their parents, or kick parents out. This is explicitly a Trump admin cruelty. https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-sessions-delivers-remarks-discussing-immigration-enforcement-actions
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU double-posted this 8 years ago, 57 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,965
@892,963 (L)
You didn't even acknowledge the horror of what's going on. You just said well he's doing this other good thing why isn't anyone talking about that?
You didn't even acknowledge the horror of what's going on. You just said well he's doing this other good thing why isn't anyone talking about that?
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,966
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
That goes without saying but you assume I don't care because I don't acknowledge it? Thats pretty sad. Have you even read the ACLU report on ICE?
That goes without saying but you assume I don't care because I don't acknowledge it? Thats pretty sad. Have you even read the ACLU report on ICE?
Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,969
@892,958 (L)
> But its only local news reporting on this, why?
LOL Probably because these operations were undertaken by county sheriff's offices working with state and local agencies. What does any of that have to do with Trump or immigration?
> But its only local news reporting on this, why?
LOL Probably because these operations were undertaken by county sheriff's offices working with state and local agencies. What does any of that have to do with Trump or immigration?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,970
@892,966 (L)
Yes the ACLU report is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border during the Obama administration. This news here is about families crossing the border during the Trump administration and was discovered by NY times reporting/confirmed by HHS testimony before Congress.
Yes the ACLU report is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border during the Obama administration. This news here is about families crossing the border during the Trump administration and was discovered by NY times reporting/confirmed by HHS testimony before Congress.
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 45 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,972
@892,969 (E)
I would think that busting over 400 pedo's and freeing dozens of kids in one day would be national news. Are you saying that local arrests should only be reported locally?
I would think that busting over 400 pedo's and freeing dozens of kids in one day would be national news. Are you saying that local arrests should only be reported locally?
Anonymous L double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,973
@892,970 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
And where did I say that it isn't a bad thing? You keep implying I'm fine with it based on absolutely nothing at all.
And where did I say that it isn't a bad thing? You keep implying I'm fine with it based on absolutely nothing at all.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,974
@previous (L)
We were all talking about the recent news reports of children being stolen by the US government and lost and you come in here not even acknowledging anything that has happened and copy-paste part of a
town hall article whining that Trump isn't getting good enough news coverage. You are shifting the focus from unspeakable government cruelty to the media not being as nice to Trump as you think it should be, which is not what anyone else cares about at this particular moment in this particular topic. It feels like you are deflecting and changing the subject.
We were all talking about the recent news reports of children being stolen by the US government and lost and you come in here not even acknowledging anything that has happened and copy-paste part of a
town hall article whining that Trump isn't getting good enough news coverage. You are shifting the focus from unspeakable government cruelty to the media not being as nice to Trump as you think it should be, which is not what anyone else cares about at this particular moment in this particular topic. It feels like you are deflecting and changing the subject.
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,975
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Where did I whine about Trump not getting good press? I asked why it only gets local coverage. To me its related cuz while ICE is doing bad shit, there's also a lot of good shit happening in regard to saving kids and busting traffickers.
> It feels like you are deflecting and changing the subject.
A feeling isn't an argument and it also isn't true. Your first reply was full of assumptions attacking me rather than asking me to clarify my position or asking my opinion, but you went for assumptions. Assuming what I meant or think. A very dishonest way of discourse, from you even more disappointing than from others.
Can you stop it with your assumptions? Or at least try?
As I said it goes without saying that what ICE is doing is very fucking bad, be it under Obama or Trump. Thats a given. I didn't try to change the subject, you assume I did. You assume I am this or that without asking me to clarify. The logic you seem to apply is that if someone doesn't distance themselves from a bad thing they must be in agreement with that bad thing.
I'll just stop responding to you as you're dishonest in your argumentation and keep putting words in my mouth. Also since when do we stay strictly on topic?
smh
Where did I whine about Trump not getting good press? I asked why it only gets local coverage. To me its related cuz while ICE is doing bad shit, there's also a lot of good shit happening in regard to saving kids and busting traffickers.
> It feels like you are deflecting and changing the subject.
A feeling isn't an argument and it also isn't true. Your first reply was full of assumptions attacking me rather than asking me to clarify my position or asking my opinion, but you went for assumptions. Assuming what I meant or think. A very dishonest way of discourse, from you even more disappointing than from others.
Can you stop it with your assumptions? Or at least try?
As I said it goes without saying that what ICE is doing is very fucking bad, be it under Obama or Trump. Thats a given. I didn't try to change the subject, you assume I did. You assume I am this or that without asking me to clarify. The logic you seem to apply is that if someone doesn't distance themselves from a bad thing they must be in agreement with that bad thing.
I'll just stop responding to you as you're dishonest in your argumentation and keep putting words in my mouth. Also since when do we stay strictly on topic?
smh
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Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,976
@892,972 (L)
Why are you complaining about that here? Write a letter to your local news channel or something if you don't like their reporting. You're just citing stories that have nothing to do with Trump or immigration policy.
Why are you complaining about that here? Write a letter to your local news channel or something if you don't like their reporting. You're just citing stories that have nothing to do with Trump or immigration policy.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,977
@previous (E)
I see you didn't answer my question regarding local arrests. Can you answer that please?
The increased busts of traffickers and pedo's has everything to do with Trump, he stepped it up.
As for your other question; why not complain about here? Is it not allowed?
I see you didn't answer my question regarding local arrests. Can you answer that please?
The increased busts of traffickers and pedo's has everything to do with Trump, he stepped it up.
As for your other question; why not complain about here? Is it not allowed?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,980
@892,975 (L)
Not going to touch the rest of your post but I think the main crux of our disagreement is:
> As I said it goes without saying that what ICE is doing is very fucking bad, be it under Obama or Trump. Thats a given. I didn't try to change the subject, you assume I did.
It absolutely does not go without saying because the AG of the current administration (which you support) just "justified" this policy. There are people who think this is good and appropriate. I'm glad to hear you are not one of them, and I'm sorry for making assumptions about you.
Not going to touch the rest of your post but I think the main crux of our disagreement is:
> As I said it goes without saying that what ICE is doing is very fucking bad, be it under Obama or Trump. Thats a given. I didn't try to change the subject, you assume I did.
It absolutely does not go without saying because the AG of the current administration (which you support) just "justified" this policy. There are people who think this is good and appropriate. I'm glad to hear you are not one of them, and I'm sorry for making assumptions about you.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,981
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,984
@892,958 (L)
Only the first two stories even talk about kids. The others are just regular johns seeking adult prostitutes. The effort, The National Johns Suppression Initiative, was begun in 2011. It has literally nothing to do with Trump.
Only the first two stories even talk about kids. The others are just regular johns seeking adult prostitutes. The effort, The National Johns Suppression Initiative, was begun in 2011. It has literally nothing to do with Trump.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,986
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 16 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,987
@892,958 (L)
The first one is strictly state and local level. The funding for it came in 2015 from the state. Not the feds. https://ithastostop.com/2017/03/02/dozens-nabbed-in-tbis-ongoing-someone-like-me-operation/
Did Trump go back in time to help Tennessee budget for this in 2015?
The first one is strictly state and local level. The funding for it came in 2015 from the state. Not the feds. https://ithastostop.com/2017/03/02/dozens-nabbed-in-tbis-ongoing-someone-like-me-operation/
Did Trump go back in time to help Tennessee budget for this in 2015?
beckyderp !RwordOooFE double-posted this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,988
@892,958 (L)
On the second story--this was the third annual enforcement effort. It started in 2015. https://twitter.com/lasdhq/status/958421030439067648?lang=en
@892,986 (N)
I McLove™ you.
On the second story--this was the third annual enforcement effort. It started in 2015. https://twitter.com/lasdhq/status/958421030439067648?lang=en
@892,986 (N)
I McLove™ you.
beckyderp !RwordOooFE triple-posted this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,989
Trump's immigration policies have a negative effect on the fight against human trafficking.
https://www.justsecurity.org/40461/trump-fighting-human-trafficking-facilitating/
He's willing to withhold law enforcement funding because people disagree with his immigration policies. Nice! https://citiesspeak.org/2018/05/04/trump-administration-holds-law-enforcement-funding-hostage-over-sanctuary-issues/
Trump delays reporting requirements regarding sex trafficking in the foster system
https://rewire.news/article/2018/03/23/trump-administration-making-harder-stop-foster-children-trafficked/
Trump says human trafficking is the worst it's ever been. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/19/trump-says-trafficking-has-never-been-worse-history-world/533887002/ Shouldn't he have fixed it by now??
Is he actually running a child sex trafficking ring? https://www.theroot.com/is-the-trump-administration-running-a-child-trafficking-1826317441
Did he traffic Ivanka????
https://www.justsecurity.org/40461/trump-fighting-human-trafficking-facilitating/
He's willing to withhold law enforcement funding because people disagree with his immigration policies. Nice! https://citiesspeak.org/2018/05/04/trump-administration-holds-law-enforcement-funding-hostage-over-sanctuary-issues/
Trump delays reporting requirements regarding sex trafficking in the foster system
https://rewire.news/article/2018/03/23/trump-administration-making-harder-stop-foster-children-trafficked/
Trump says human trafficking is the worst it's ever been. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/19/trump-says-trafficking-has-never-been-worse-history-world/533887002/ Shouldn't he have fixed it by now??
Is he actually running a child sex trafficking ring? https://www.theroot.com/is-the-trump-administration-running-a-child-trafficking-1826317441
Did he traffic Ivanka????
beckyderp !RwordOooFE quadruple-posted this 8 years ago, 44 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,990
Barron hasn't been seen in some time.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 19 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,995
@892,987 (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I just picked a few stories, doesn't negate the fact the arrests and investigations have been stepped up. I didn't say it was all thanks to Trump, I said he stepped it up. But I'm done "debating" anything here. As everybody just cherry picks or puts words in my mouth. This website is turning into /r/politics. Sad.
I just picked a few stories, doesn't negate the fact the arrests and investigations have been stepped up. I didn't say it was all thanks to Trump, I said he stepped it up. But I'm done "debating" anything here. As everybody just cherry picks or puts words in my mouth. This website is turning into /r/politics. Sad.
Anonymous N replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #892,998
@892,958 (L)
Is there a source for that graphic? It seems potentially flawed as pointed out here. Don't believe everything you read!
Is there a source for that graphic? It seems potentially flawed as pointed out here. Don't believe everything you read!
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,000
@892,995 (L)
Seriously what the fuck? You said that "the Trump admin is cracking down on pedophile rings and has busted thousands of pedo's and rescued kids that were locked up in basements. But you won't see MSM report on that" then linked to some stories. In what possible way were you not saying this was all thanks to Trump? You literally said that.
Anyway, can you please point to some data supporting that arrests and investigations have stepped up during the Trump administration?
Seriously what the fuck? You said that "the Trump admin is cracking down on pedophile rings and has busted thousands of pedo's and rescued kids that were locked up in basements. But you won't see MSM report on that" then linked to some stories. In what possible way were you not saying this was all thanks to Trump? You literally said that.
Anyway, can you please point to some data supporting that arrests and investigations have stepped up during the Trump administration?
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 20 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,001
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 24 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,002
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 6 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,003
@893,000 (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I literally said he stepped it up. Go ahead an read it for yourself.
I literally said he stepped it up. Go ahead an read it for yourself.
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,004
Anonymous N replied with this 8 years ago, 46 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,005
@893,002 (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
Hah, I knew those numbers were fishy. More fake news from Trump supporters. :(
Hah, I knew those numbers were fishy. More fake news from Trump supporters. :(
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 22 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,006
Anyway, I'm about to go visit a couple clients at the county jail. I will ask them what it was like to literally be arrested by the Trump administration itself. #MAGA
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,007
@893,004 (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I'm done. There's hundreds of stories like this, I just picked the first few i could find. You don't have to believe me. I don't mind. Besides you and everybody already assumed my political views or that I support Sessions (which I fucking don't).
Go gang up on someone else.
I'm done. There's hundreds of stories like this, I just picked the first few i could find. You don't have to believe me. I don't mind. Besides you and everybody already assumed my political views or that I support Sessions (which I fucking don't).
Go gang up on someone else.
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,008
@previous (L)
Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say. Engage in discussion instead of whining and running away. Or not; there's always /r/the_donald.
Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say. Engage in discussion instead of whining and running away. Or not; there's always /r/the_donald.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,009
@previous (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I did show articles. There's much more but I'm not going to copy/paste more because it is useless. You already made up your mind. Whats the point of discussing anything? Trump can't do anything good, he only made it worse. There's no nuance or honest debate in this thread.
I did show articles. There's much more but I'm not going to copy/paste more because it is useless. You already made up your mind. Whats the point of discussing anything? Trump can't do anything good, he only made it worse. There's no nuance or honest debate in this thread.
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beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,010
@previous (L)
No, when I saw your post I thought, wow that's interesting, I hadn't heard about this. So I read the articles and the background on the efforts you posted about. Not one of them had to do with Trump. So I replied, "Wow, this doesn't have anything to do with Trump."
When I say "Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say," I mean "Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say." Then I respond to what you are trying to say, if it actually turns out there is truth to it. Maybe there is but your evidence didn't support it??
I'm so confused (honestly confused).
No, when I saw your post I thought, wow that's interesting, I hadn't heard about this. So I read the articles and the background on the efforts you posted about. Not one of them had to do with Trump. So I replied, "Wow, this doesn't have anything to do with Trump."
When I say "Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say," I mean "Show me an article that actually relates to what you're trying to say." Then I respond to what you are trying to say, if it actually turns out there is truth to it. Maybe there is but your evidence didn't support it??
I'm so confused (honestly confused).
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,011
@previous (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
What would change if I post 100 news stories like it? Cuz those lists exists I'm just too lazy to find them.
Fact is that under Trump there are many more arrests and kids saved than under Obama, I'm not saying it's thanks to Trump or whatever. Just stating the facts. Many of the investigations could be very well started a decade ago. It doesn't change the facts though.
What would change if I post 100 news stories like it? Cuz those lists exists I'm just too lazy to find them.
Fact is that under Trump there are many more arrests and kids saved than under Obama, I'm not saying it's thanks to Trump or whatever. Just stating the facts. Many of the investigations could be very well started a decade ago. It doesn't change the facts though.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,012
@893,009 (L)
You provided sources to assert particular claims, becky provided sources to refute those claims. How is this not honest debate? This is a perfect example of an actual argument taking place; claims and counterclaims, sources and more sources. What is 'honest debate' if not this?
You provided sources to assert particular claims, becky provided sources to refute those claims. How is this not honest debate? This is a perfect example of an actual argument taking place; claims and counterclaims, sources and more sources. What is 'honest debate' if not this?
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 33 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,013
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,014
@893,011 (L)
> Fact is that under Trump there are many more arrests and kids saved than under Obama
Source?
> Fact is that under Trump there are many more arrests and kids saved than under Obama
Source?
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,015
Fine i'll just go ahead and find the lists with the stories and spam them here.
42 Arrested in Tennessee sting. January 27th, 2017.
13 arrested in association with pedophile ring in Quebec. January 27th, 2017.
474 arrested and 55 saved--28 of which are children--in a Los Angeles sex ring bust. January 29th, 2017.
5 arrested in Pennsylvania with the hopes of blowing open a larger ring January 29th, 2017.
11 Rescued with no arrests, yet in New Orleans bust. February 1st, 2017.
9 arrested and 31 children and women rescued in a bust in Haiti. February 5th, 2017.
108 arrested in Illinois, 29 of whom were actual traffickers. February 5th, 2017.
178 arrested in a Texas sting. February 5th, 2017.
750 arrested and 92 rescued in Super Bowl Sunday interstate rescue. This one factors in Illinois and Texas, so it's another net 464 arrested on top of those. February 5th, 2017.
6 arrested in Japan, 168 child victims. February 10th, 2017.
150 out of 160 arrested illegal immigrants in this raid in SoCal had prior convictions, a hefty portion of which are reported to have been sexual assault on children. February 10th, 2017.
Jeffrey Sandusky arrested for multiple counts of sexual assault on a minor, son of Jerry Sandusky who had been a part of a larger trafficking ring. February 13th, 2017.
22 Arrested, 2 children, 15 adults saved at Detroit Auto Show, February 13th, 2017.
16 arrested in Ghana, 24 children rescued, February 13th, 2017.
FBI raids adoption center for failure to adequately prevent abduction and trafficking of children, February 14th, 2017.
11 Arrested in Richmond, VA in child sex sting operation, February 15th, 2017.
42 Arrested in Polk County, FL in child sexual predator sting, February 15th, 2017.
Chief Analyst for the NY National Guard arrested on child pornography charges, February 15th, 2017.
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,016
@previous (L)
Okay, I was going to start looking at these, but then I saw that one of them is from Canada so I just want to give Anonymous L a chance to see if maybe (s)he just posted the wrong list of links or something.
Okay, I was going to start looking at these, but then I saw that one of them is from Canada so I just want to give Anonymous L a chance to see if maybe (s)he just posted the wrong list of links or something.
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,017
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-nearly-2000-human-traffickers-2016-identifies-over-400-victims-across-us
Numbers for 2017 are not officially out, numbers reported are numbers added up from news stories. And those imply that the amount of arrests has at least doubled or tripled.
Numbers for 2017 are not officially out, numbers reported are numbers added up from news stories. And those imply that the amount of arrests has at least doubled or tripled.
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beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 48 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,018
@previous (L)
But Trump wasn't president in 2016. Where are the numbers for 2017 you are referring to? Do they include Canada???
But Trump wasn't president in 2016. Where are the numbers for 2017 you are referring to? Do they include Canada???
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beckyderp !RwordOooFE double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,019
I guess that if you start adding random other countries in to the figures once Trump becomes president, then yeah, numbers would be up somewhat.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,020
@893,018 (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
@previous (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I didn't add that like I said I just pasted it from a list.
Like I wrote there are no official numbers for 2017 so you can ask me about them all day long.
I'm just saying that the amount of arrests have doubled/tripled under the Trump admin and that Trump gave more resources to ICE and other law enforcement.
@previous (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
I didn't add that like I said I just pasted it from a list.
Like I wrote there are no official numbers for 2017 so you can ask me about them all day long.
I'm just saying that the amount of arrests have doubled/tripled under the Trump admin and that Trump gave more resources to ICE and other law enforcement.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 9 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,021
@893,015 (L)
Besides the one from Ghana, and the ones from Japan and Canada, all these prove is this arrests are taking place (many of which seem to be part of the National Johns Suppression Initiative, begun under Obama). This doesn't prove the claim that more arrests are taking place under Trump than under Obama.
Besides the one from Ghana, and the ones from Japan and Canada, all these prove is this arrests are taking place (many of which seem to be part of the National Johns Suppression Initiative, begun under Obama). This doesn't prove the claim that more arrests are taking place under Trump than under Obama.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 8 years ago, 38 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,022
@893,020 (L)
> I'm just saying that the amount of arrests have doubled/tripled under the Trump admin
How do you know this if no figures have been released?
> I'm just saying that the amount of arrests have doubled/tripled under the Trump admin
How do you know this if no figures have been released?
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,023
@893,021 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Guess we'll have to wait for the official 2017 numbers cuz adding up the arrests 2017 from news stories doesn't count for you somehow. Even though they amount to more than under Obama admin. Which as nothing to do with why I posted it anyways.
You assume I posted as a Trump vs Obama thing, which I didn't but keep on mind reading. I'm just gonna leave and leave you be in your echo chamber. Nothing of value will be lost.
Guess we'll have to wait for the official 2017 numbers cuz adding up the arrests 2017 from news stories doesn't count for you somehow. Even though they amount to more than under Obama admin. Which as nothing to do with why I posted it anyways.
You assume I posted as a Trump vs Obama thing, which I didn't but keep on mind reading. I'm just gonna leave and leave you be in your echo chamber. Nothing of value will be lost.
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Anonymous L double-posted this 8 years ago, 16 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,024
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,025
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 45 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,026
@893,023 (L)
> Even though the amount to more than under Obama admin
???
42 + 474 + 5 + 9 + 108 + 178 + 750 + 160 + 22 + 11 + 42 = 1801
That is fewer arrests than under Obama, and that's assuming that disproved infographic is even reporting Obama's numbers accurately.
> Even though the amount to more than under Obama admin
???
42 + 474 + 5 + 9 + 108 + 178 + 750 + 160 + 22 + 11 + 42 = 1801
That is fewer arrests than under Obama, and that's assuming that disproved infographic is even reporting Obama's numbers accurately.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 54 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,027
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Thats only the few stories of the first 2 months of 2017 I posted. Its not the complete picture. FFS. Stop being such a dishonest asshole.
Thats only the few stories of the first 2 months of 2017 I posted. Its not the complete picture. FFS. Stop being such a dishonest asshole.
Anonymous L double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,028
inb4 I have to post every single arrest made and what not. Fuck off people.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 27 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,029
@893,027 (L)
I'm not being dishonest, I'm just working with the sources you've given. I don't even know how many arrests took place under Obama, except for that infographic you posted, and I'm assuming you don't either, and we don't know how many arrests have taken place under Trump (yet).
I'm not being dishonest, I'm just working with the sources you've given. I don't even know how many arrests took place under Obama, except for that infographic you posted, and I'm assuming you don't either, and we don't know how many arrests have taken place under Trump (yet).
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,030
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I only listed like a few news stories about arrests made in the first TWO months of 2017. There are many many more arrests made after it. But whats the point if I would go ahead and find EVERY SINGLE arrest made in whole of 2017 and add them all up? I'll just be wasting my time. You all got your mind made up anyways and I see you all caring more about being anti Trump than being anti human traffickers and pro saving kids. Which I guess is pretty telling.
I only listed like a few news stories about arrests made in the first TWO months of 2017. There are many many more arrests made after it. But whats the point if I would go ahead and find EVERY SINGLE arrest made in whole of 2017 and add them all up? I'll just be wasting my time. You all got your mind made up anyways and I see you all caring more about being anti Trump than being anti human traffickers and pro saving kids. Which I guess is pretty telling.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,031
@previous (L)
Considering the story about the 750 arrests covers 15 states, and likewise the 470 story and the SoCal story overlap, I'm not sure adding these numbers up side-by-side even makes sense. I guess we'll have to wait and see when official numbers are released by ICE or whomever.
Considering the story about the 750 arrests covers 15 states, and likewise the 470 story and the SoCal story overlap, I'm not sure adding these numbers up side-by-side even makes sense. I guess we'll have to wait and see when official numbers are released by ICE or whomever.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,033
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I really wonder if you're just being this obtuse or really don't understand the gist of what I'm trying to convey.
I really wonder if you're just being this obtuse or really don't understand the gist of what I'm trying to convey.
Anonymous L double-posted this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,034
Also riddle me this: why would I post about pedo's being arrested and kids being freed in this topic?
And no, not to boast Trump or diss Obama.
And no, not to boast Trump or diss Obama.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,035
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 7 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,036
@893,033 (L)
Yes, I understand what you're trying to convey; many arrests. I don't think anything has yet backed up the claim thousands of paedos have been arrested. Besides, plenty of these stories seem to deal mostly with adults buying sex from other, consenting adults, e.g. the 750 story. Without official statistics, it's just news stories (which don't even seem to make it clear whether they're explicitly arrests of sex-traffickers, or of adults simply soliciting sex from other adults).
Yes, I understand what you're trying to convey; many arrests. I don't think anything has yet backed up the claim thousands of paedos have been arrested. Besides, plenty of these stories seem to deal mostly with adults buying sex from other, consenting adults, e.g. the 750 story. Without official statistics, it's just news stories (which don't even seem to make it clear whether they're explicitly arrests of sex-traffickers, or of adults simply soliciting sex from other adults).
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,038
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Plenty? You just said that the only stories you know of are the few I posted here. Which only span like 2 months. You don't want to search for this yourself, you want me to spoon feed you every single news story where kids and/or pedo's were arrested. I'm not gonna do that and if that means I'm "wrong" then so be it. I don't have to be right, I can revel in knowing a lot of fucktards have been arrested and a lot of kids have been rescued.
Plenty? You just said that the only stories you know of are the few I posted here. Which only span like 2 months. You don't want to search for this yourself, you want me to spoon feed you every single news story where kids and/or pedo's were arrested. I'm not gonna do that and if that means I'm "wrong" then so be it. I don't have to be right, I can revel in knowing a lot of fucktards have been arrested and a lot of kids have been rescued.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,039
@previous (L)
Yes, I did some searching and found some additional stories of arrests, and articles discussing it.
Source: https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-trafficking/print
And another source that disputes that infographic that suggests Trump's arrests are perhaps triple the previous year's under Balack O'bola.
Since I have very little better to do, I went through some of the articles, and very few actually state how many (if any at all!) of these arrests are directly related to sex-trafficking. Is arresting consenting adults the same as saving children? Not really.
Yes, I did some searching and found some additional stories of arrests, and articles discussing it.
The idea that there have been "an unprecedented number" of sex traffickers arrested since Trump took office has similarly little basis in reality, and there's zero truth to the claim of law-enforcement busting up child sex-trafficking rings. Meanwhile, many of the arrests Crokin includes in her tally—arrests that include mostly women selling sex and men trying to engage in consensual adult prostitution—are part of annual sting operations, were the result of investigations n the works long before Trump took office, and/or had absolutely nothing to do with federal law-enforcement directives or activities. (That is, when we can check Crokin's sources; two of the pages she links to as evidence can't be found.)
Here are the arrests that Croklin credits as Donald Trump-brokered busts of pedophile trafficking rings:
478 people arrested in a statewide California sting that included zero sex-trafficking arrests, according to a press release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. One-hundred and forty-two men were arrested for attempting to pay consenting adult women for sexual activity. Thirty-six men were arrested for pimping. The rest of those arrested—300 in total—were women taken in on prostitution charges or people in trouble for charges unrelated to commercial sexual activity.
178 men arrested in Texas for soliciting prostitution from an undercover cop posing as a consenting adult sex worker. The stings were part of a nationwide "Johns Suppression Initiative" organized annually by Cook County, Illinois, Sheriff Tom Dart.
Four "pimps" and 12 people arrested on unspecified charges during a month-long Detroit operation concluded two days after Trump took office.
11 people arrested as part of a "five-month cyber-sting operation led by the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Child Exploitation Unit in partnership with the Northern Virginia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force." The sting—a To Catch a Predator-style operation involving police posing online as a 13-year-old into older men—began in October 2016 and ended in early February.
As evidence of these arrests that Crokin doesn't think are being covered in the mainstream media, she links to news reports on ABC, NBC, and CBS news affiliates, describing events also covered widely by other media in their respective states or regions. The California sting was also reported by mainstream print and broadcast media across the country, as was the broader National Johns Suppression Initiative that resulted in the Texas arrests.
Here are the arrests that Croklin credits as Donald Trump-brokered busts of pedophile trafficking rings:
478 people arrested in a statewide California sting that included zero sex-trafficking arrests, according to a press release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. One-hundred and forty-two men were arrested for attempting to pay consenting adult women for sexual activity. Thirty-six men were arrested for pimping. The rest of those arrested—300 in total—were women taken in on prostitution charges or people in trouble for charges unrelated to commercial sexual activity.
178 men arrested in Texas for soliciting prostitution from an undercover cop posing as a consenting adult sex worker. The stings were part of a nationwide "Johns Suppression Initiative" organized annually by Cook County, Illinois, Sheriff Tom Dart.
Four "pimps" and 12 people arrested on unspecified charges during a month-long Detroit operation concluded two days after Trump took office.
11 people arrested as part of a "five-month cyber-sting operation led by the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Child Exploitation Unit in partnership with the Northern Virginia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force." The sting—a To Catch a Predator-style operation involving police posing online as a 13-year-old into older men—began in October 2016 and ended in early February.
As evidence of these arrests that Crokin doesn't think are being covered in the mainstream media, she links to news reports on ABC, NBC, and CBS news affiliates, describing events also covered widely by other media in their respective states or regions. The California sting was also reported by mainstream print and broadcast media across the country, as was the broader National Johns Suppression Initiative that resulted in the Texas arrests.
Source: https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/27/trumps-fake-crackdown-on-sex-trafficking/print
And another source that disputes that infographic that suggests Trump's arrests are perhaps triple the previous year's under Balack O'bola.
Since I have very little better to do, I went through some of the articles, and very few actually state how many (if any at all!) of these arrests are directly related to sex-trafficking. Is arresting consenting adults the same as saving children? Not really.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,040
@893,038 (L)
And yes, nobody with a heart would be upset at more arrests of genuine sex traffickers, paedophiles and other assorted ne'er-do-wells. I've just yet to see any proof these arrests have increased under Trump, as was the claim.
And yes, nobody with a heart would be upset at more arrests of genuine sex traffickers, paedophiles and other assorted ne'er-do-wells. I've just yet to see any proof these arrests have increased under Trump, as was the claim.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,041
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Those are opinions, there are no numbers out yet, the only numbers out there are in news stories about arrests.
You can ignore those news stories or you can find them and add the numbers up, whatever suits your political needs I guess.
I'm not going going to find all the news stories for you which you seem to require somehow.
Those are opinions, there are no numbers out yet, the only numbers out there are in news stories about arrests.
You can ignore those news stories or you can find them and add the numbers up, whatever suits your political needs I guess.
I'm not going going to find all the news stories for you which you seem to require somehow.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 58 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,042
@previous (L)
Yes, they are opinion pieces, they're quite revealing if you read them. They take apart the claims that Trump supporters have been making regarding sex trafficking crackdowns.
Yes, they are opinion pieces, they're quite revealing if you read them. They take apart the claims that Trump supporters have been making regarding sex trafficking crackdowns.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,043
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,044
@previous (L)
No, but read some of them -- look at how many of them don't actually mention if the arrests were of sex traffickers, and then look at how many mention the arrests are of adults merely soliciting sex from other adults. Don't just read the headlines.
No, but read some of them -- look at how many of them don't actually mention if the arrests were of sex traffickers, and then look at how many mention the arrests are of adults merely soliciting sex from other adults. Don't just read the headlines.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 52 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,046
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,048
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,049
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
No I'm asking you why. What is your point?
And what kind of victory do you have? If any a very hollow one.
No I'm asking you why. What is your point?
And what kind of victory do you have? If any a very hollow one.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,052
@previous (L)
Because there's enough disinfo out there about Trump, and I was genuinely actually curious to see if Trump had ramped up operations against sex traffickers and paedophile rings. Having gone through basically every source I can find, including the ones ITT, I'm not convinced this is actually the case.
Because there's enough disinfo out there about Trump, and I was genuinely actually curious to see if Trump had ramped up operations against sex traffickers and paedophile rings. Having gone through basically every source I can find, including the ones ITT, I'm not convinced this is actually the case.
Anonymous O replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,053
When will people post more Donald trump memes
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,056
@893,052 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I believe that because Trump increased funding to ICE and others this has resulted in more arrests.
I believe that because Trump increased funding to ICE and others this has resulted in more arrests.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,057
@previous (L)
I have yet to see any evidence of that, but that's fine. I will hereby allow you to send me a smug told-you-so PM when ICE release 2017 statistics. Thanks.
I have yet to see any evidence of that, but that's fine. I will hereby allow you to send me a smug told-you-so PM when ICE release 2017 statistics. Thanks.
Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,059
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
What about logical thinking? If you put more money in ICE and other law enforcement then they can hire people people and do more work. It is not that difficult.
What about logical thinking? If you put more money in ICE and other law enforcement then they can hire people people and do more work. It is not that difficult.
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beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 20 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,071
@previous (L)
But increased immigration enforcement also gives cover to human traffickers by giving them a whole class of people who effectively cannot use the law to seek help.
But increased immigration enforcement also gives cover to human traffickers by giving them a whole class of people who effectively cannot use the law to seek help.
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,073
@previous (beckyderp !RwordOooFE)
Why does that have to with the point I was making though? More money for law enforcement means they can hire more people and put more people away.
Why does that have to with the point I was making though? More money for law enforcement means they can hire more people and put more people away.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,074
@previous (L)
> Why does that have to with the point I was making though? More money for law enforcement means they can hire more people and put more people away.
LOCK EM ALL UP
> Why does that have to with the point I was making though? More money for law enforcement means they can hire more people and put more people away.
LOCK EM ALL UP
beckyderp !RwordOooFE replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,079
@893,073 (L)
Oh I did miss the part where you said other law enforcement. Fair point.
I will say that my big confusion here is that most law enforcement happens at the local level and my understanding is that very very little funding for local law enforcement comes from the feds (if any?). And the articles you were linking to are largely about local arrests. This is one big reason why we are questioning the link between Trump and local arrests. It's like blaming my city's high current pollen levels on Trump... it's that much of a non sequitur.
I'm curious and will be looking into the funding sources of law enforcement that's local to me.
Oh I did miss the part where you said other law enforcement. Fair point.
I will say that my big confusion here is that most law enforcement happens at the local level and my understanding is that very very little funding for local law enforcement comes from the feds (if any?). And the articles you were linking to are largely about local arrests. This is one big reason why we are questioning the link between Trump and local arrests. It's like blaming my city's high current pollen levels on Trump... it's that much of a non sequitur.
I'm curious and will be looking into the funding sources of law enforcement that's local to me.
beckyderp !RwordOooFE double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,081
If we were getting stories about efforts initiated by Trump and led by federal law enforcement, great. But the feds are (largely) limited to enforcing crimes that cross state lines in some way (like through the internet tubes). Local pedo rings are, well, local.
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Anonymous L replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #893,083
I think a lot of these stories aren't reported because news outlets don't want to shine a positive light on the Trump admin. Even though he had nothing to do with it. Its scary.
Just look at the ICE images from 2014 that the CNNs of this world were putting on Trump yesterday and are now trying to spin cuz it happened under Obama
Politicising everything is so fucking bad with these kind of matters, no matter who you voted for
Just look at the ICE images from 2014 that the CNNs of this world were putting on Trump yesterday and are now trying to spin cuz it happened under Obama
Politicising everything is so fucking bad with these kind of matters, no matter who you voted for