Topic: Why not rebrand pitbulls as "assault dogs"?
Metæ !Sober//iZs started this discussion 8 years ago #75,574
And take the position of anti-gun advocates: "We're not trying to take away your dogs, we're just saying no one needs a dog specifically bred for violence".dw joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later[^] [v] #891,007
every dog is bred for violence its just that most are too smallMetæ !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #891,008
@previous (dw)Every gun is designed for shooting people but you don't need an AR-15 with a 30 round assault clip.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 29 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #891,012
@891,007 (dw)That depends on your definition of violence. Are most dogs bred to keep violent tendencies in the breed?
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #891,016
@891,008 (Metæ !Sober//iZs)yeah they should make those illegal
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
most dogs seem to be bred for aesthetics. exactly how does one breed a dog to be violent??
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,030
@previous (dw)You just said that every dog is bred for violence!
How they do it is, they fight dogs and use the winners of the fight to breed with other winners of fights
Metæ !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,032
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)> every dog is bred for violence
> exactly how does one breed a dog to be violent??
nice 180°
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 20 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,039
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,043
It'd be funny if this actually gained traction with victims of pitbull attacks.Metæ !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,046
@891,039 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)You can breed a dog for aesthetics but not violence. But all dogs are bred for violence, but most dogs just aren't big enough to be violent.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 41 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,055
I would like to have dog-kicking shoes with blades on the end.Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 27 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,068
The founding fathers did not intend for you to have assault dogs!Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,072
It's my right to have an assault dog for home defense. How do you expect me to defend myself from criminals with assault dogs?Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 16 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,073
Good idea, they're dangerous.Metæ !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,075
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 59 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,077
Assault with a Deadly Pepper was an album by two black chicks that I didn't give a shit aboutAnonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 35 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,078
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 52 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,082
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kook !tUchzNWZXg joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,100
pitbull are murder!oh Lord pit bulls are the Devil's dogs! I'm melting!
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 25 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,107
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 4 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,146
@891,030 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)> You just said that every dog is bred for violence!
let me rephrase: dogs are violent since they kill for food
> How they do it is, they fight dogs and use the winners of the fight to breed with other winners of fights
where do they do this?
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 19 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,152
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dw replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,160
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,161
@previous (dw)Implying it was about how most pitbulls are bred, it was about how fighting dogs are bred.
Besides I only answered your own question where they do it. Well there. Watch the whole episode and you'll know Kook was speaking truth. It is how they're selected.
Saying lol doesn't make you look any less stupid though.
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,189
@891,160 (dw)People breed fighting dogs all over the world. How do you think pitbulls got their name?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,190
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)From wikipedia:
The foundation breed of the fighting dog was, in its outward appearance, a large, low, heavy breed with a powerful build and strongly developed head, and tremendously threatening voice.[8] Additionally, these foundation breeds were also bred for a powerful jaw that would enable them to defend and protect humans, to overpower and pull down large animals on a hunt, and to control large, unmanageable domestic animals.[8] These dogs were also sometimes equipped with metal plates, chains, and collars with sharp spikes or hooked knives in order to be used in wars throughout history.[8]
When bullbaiting became popular in England due to the shortage of bears, bull baiters soon realized that large fighting dogs were built too heavy and too slow for this type of combat.[7] When fighting a bull, dogs were trained to grab onto the bull's nose and pin the bull's head to the ground.[7] If the dog failed to do this, the bull would fling the dog out of the ring with its horns.[7] The British therefore decided to selectively breed fighting dogs for shorter legs and a more powerful jaw.[7] These efforts resulted in the Old English Bulldog.[7]
However, when countries started outlawing bull and bear baiting, dog fighters started pitting dogs against other dogs.[7] With the prevalence of such combat, dogfighters soon realized bulldogs were inadequate and began to breed bulldogs with terriers for more desired characteristics.[7] Terriers were most likely crossbred with bulldogs due to their "generally rugged body structure," speed, aggression, and "highly developed gameness."[7] Yet, there is a debate over which type of terrier was bred with bulldogs in order to create the Bull and Terrier. For instance, Joseph L. Colby claimed that it was the old English White Terrier that the Bull and Terrier is descended from, while Rhonda D. Evans and Craig J. Forsyth contend that its ancestor is the Rat Terrier.[7] Carl Semencic, on the other hand, held that a variety of terriers produced the Bull and Terrier.[7]
Eventually, out of cross breeding bulldogs and terriers, the English created the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.[3] When the Staffordshire Bull Terrier came to America in 1817, Americans began to selectively breed for gameness and created the American Pit Bull Terrier (originally known as the Pit Bull Terrier), which is a unique breed due to its absence of threat displays when fighting and its docility towards humans.[7] Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Bull Terriers are all breeds that are commonly labeled as pit bulls.[10] The fact that "pit bulls" were historically bred to fight bulls and bears has been used as justifications in some U.S. cities to implement Breed Specific Legislation
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 triple-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,191
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)From the ASPCA article on dog fighting: As with any other illegal underground activity, it is impossible to determine how many people may be involved in dogfighting. Estimates based on fight reports in underground dogfighting publications, and on animals entering shelters bearing evidence of fighting, suggest that the number of people involved in dogfighting in the U.S. is in the tens of thousands. While organized dogfighting activity seemed to decline in the 1990s, many law enforcement and animal control officials feel that it has rebounded in recent years, with the Internet making it easier than ever for dogfighters to exchange information about animals and fights.
Which Dogs Are Used in Dogfighting?
For professional and hobbyist dogfighters, the sale of pups from parents who have won several fights is a major part of their activity. Underground dogffighting publications and websites are commonly used to advertise pups or the availability of breeding stock. Many “street” fighters think they can also make money by breeding and selling dogs, but a great number of these animals are killed or abandoned if they fail to perform. Although there are many breeds of dogs used for fighting worldwide—including the Fila Brasileiro, Dogo Argentino, the Tosa Inu and the Presa Canario—the dog of choice for fighting in the United States is the American Pit Bull Terrier. Occasionally other breeds and mixes are reportedly used in street fights or as “bait” dogs used by some to train fighting dogs.
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 quadruple-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,192
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,218
maybe we should blame dogfighting on videogamesAnonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,224
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 18 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,238
@891,189 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)yes but most pitbulls arent in dogfights lol
@891,161 (K)
the uploader has not made the video available in my country
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 55 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,240
@previous (dw)Many MANY are used as intimidation. For guard dogs in the hood or to accompany drug dealers
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dw replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,242
Anonymous J replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,243
@891,190 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)> From wikipedia:
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> When bullbaiting became popular in England due to the shortage of bears, bull baiters soon realized that large fighting dogs were built too heavy and too slow for this type of combat.[7] When fighting a bull, dogs were trained to grab onto the bull's nose and pin the bull's head to the ground.[7] If the dog failed to do this, the bull would fling the dog out of the ring with its horns.[7] The British therefore decided to selectively breed fighting dogs for shorter legs and a more powerful jaw.[7] These efforts resulted in the Old English Bulldog.[7]
ah the English bulldog. a truly vicious killer
> Americans began to selectively breed for gameness and created the American Pit Bull Terrier (originally known as the Pit Bull Terrier), which is a unique breed due to its absence of threat displays when fighting and its docility towards humans.[7]
oh ok
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 53 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,263
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 31 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,271
@891,242 (dw)Nearly every pitbull comes from an original dog fighting stock. Not only that but I have seen no evidence that breeders (who are usually ghetto amateurs) try and breed out hostility. In fact, many pitbulls are horrible interbred. Which makes things worse
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 44 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,272
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 triple-posted this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,273
@891,263 (K)I just dont understand how he cant look at a breed of dog created for bloodsport and also look at mauling statistics and see that there is a pattern
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 8 years ago, 32 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,282
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)Remember, facts are racist because they can be used to show unpleasant correlations that we'd rather not acknowledge.
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,284
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)Just because it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and tastes like a duck. It could be a fucking moose.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,285
@891,272 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)"Terriers for Tenacity" is the name of my new punk band. We only cover Pitbull songs.
Anonymous J replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,288
@891,272 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)you have a terrier you know how they are! we should ban terriers. they're a danger to varmints and furniture
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,292
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,294
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #891,322
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,328
lmao the last mayor did ban pitbulls hereIt was highly controversial then and part of what got the new mayor elected was promising to repeal it
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL double-posted this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,329
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Metæ !Sober//iZs (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,341
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 48 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,347
@previous (Metæ !Sober//iZs)sure but you're not good enough at statistics to say that this is one of those times
Neither am I before you bring that up
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 14 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,518
@891,271 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)> Nearly every pitbull comes from an original dog fighting stock.
source
> (who are usually ghetto amateurs)
source
> In fact, many pitbulls are horrible interbred.
so is practically every breed of dog and most domesticated species in general
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,526
@previous (dw)Pitbulls are the number one type of dog released into and killed by animal shelters because people breed them irresponsibly. Regarding the original sire, I have tomorrow off and I will try and find that info for you.
Yes some other dogs are interbred, but interbreeding can make bad traits worse. And what bad traits dog pitbulls have?
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,529
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)any purebred animal is inbred as fuck
dogs especially cause they've been domesticated for so long
Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,533
Dogs don't kill people, people who make their dogs mean are the problem. Really it's the media talking about it that makes the problem worse.kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,545
@891,529 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)Some are worse than others. Reputable breeders dont breed close relatives
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #891,546
@891,533 (H)You can "make your dog mean" by not properly training an already unstable breed. Which is the problem
I don't believe that most people are properly equipped to care for pitbulls
Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,630
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,639
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,640
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)Pit Bulls are Banned in the UK. In the UK, it is against the law to own certain types of dog. These include pit bull terriers (as well as the Japanese Tosa, the Dogo Argentino and the Fila Braziliero).
Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,642
@891,639 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)Only the bad hombres shouldn't have pitbulls. Besides, the only way to stop a bad hombre with a pitbull is a good guy with a pitbull.
Anonymous H double-posted this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,644
Realistically if we want to put a stop to pitbull violence we need more pitbulls. 2-3 assault dogs per home would put a stop to pitbull violence. What idiot would attack you with a pitbull if everyone had pitbulls? They'd all just kill you with their pitbulls.kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,647
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Well tarnation, dagnabbit.Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 51 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,657
North Korea can send a fuckin pitbull all the way to San Franciscowith a flower in its hair
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Kook is mad because her dog is a pussy and physically inferior to all pitbulls.Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 54 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #891,686
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And what's the deal with pit bulls? They don't live in pits, and they're not bulls!tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 45 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #892,317
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@previous (Kook !!a6qjFG7HF)
I think it's a small boy with a regular-size pitbull. It's an illusion. Fooled me for a minute!
I think it's a small boy with a regular-size pitbull. It's an illusion. Fooled me for a minute!