Topic: The House Intelligence Committee found that there was no Trump-Russia collusion
Anonymous A started this discussion 8 years ago #74,795
Trump brokers a peace deal in Korea.What else has to happen? What will it take for Democrats to act like rational people again?
squeegee joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later[^] [v] #885,063
peace in korea has been achieved? Wow, when was that announced?
squeegee double-posted this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,064
Oh. It hasn't. We're still celebrating shit that hasn't happened yet. Hope it does, otherwise y'all are going to seem a little silly. Interestingly if there IS peace then everyone wins! But if talks fall through then y'all lose kinda especially hard.
I for one like to see what happens before I start opening the Champaign.
I for one like to see what happens before I start opening the Champaign.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,065
Anonymous C double-posted this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,066
@885,063 (squeegee)
> peace in korea has been achieved? Wow, when was that announced?
Reread the OP, please. "Trump brokers a peace deal" You seem like you should be posting on tumblr
> peace in korea has been achieved? Wow, when was that announced?
Reread the OP, please. "Trump brokers a peace deal" You seem like you should be posting on tumblr
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,110
squeegee double-posted this 8 years ago, 37 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,111
squeegee joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,121
Depressionman !pD3TCBIxuo joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,135
Of course there was. Don't forget that Trump is a billionaire, he has enough money to cover his tracks. I don't see why you brainless Trump supporters can't see this.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,173
Squeegee and Matt will never again act like rational people. Trump
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,278
why do americans think they have shit to do with peace in korea
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,279
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 24 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,288
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,297
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 47 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,317
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
do you not understand the difference between what you said and what i said
do you not understand the difference between what you said and what i said
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 45 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,335
dw replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,341
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
he did help in some (wildly unclear manner) but i think the credit goes to NKs incompetency and moon
he did help in some (wildly unclear manner) but i think the credit goes to NKs incompetency and moon
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 16 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,345
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 33 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #885,350
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 16 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,466
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
because he asked for credit, kook. because he asked for it, and because of diplomacy they threw him a fucking bone. jesus fucking christ. i'll ask again, what exactly did he even fucking DO? he didn't do a god damned thing that anyone can actually point to, all anyone can say is he helped and no one can offer even the smallest example of what that help might've been.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/trump-asked-moon-to-give-him-public-credit-for-pressuring-north-korea-into-talks/2018/01/20/8110e20a-fc55-11e7-b832-8c26844b74fb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b57af1e2cb7
> During a Jan. 4 phone call in which the South Korean leader briefed the American president on the plans for talks with North Korea, Trump asked Moon to publicly give him the credit for creating the environment for the talks, according to people familiar with the conversation.
> (In these conversations, Trump calls his counterpart “Jae-in” — an unimaginable informality in Korean business etiquette. Moon calls Trump “Mr. President.”)
> Later that night, Trump tweeted that the talks wouldn’t be happening “if I wasn’t firm, strong and willing to commit our total ‘might’ against the North.”
> At a news conference six days later, Moon agreed Trump deserved “huge credit” for the talks.
you see? i can actually point to something that is real, an actual timeline of verified events that are the ONLY thing that trump did, HA ASKED TO BE GIVEN CREDIT.
> This prompted a flurry of activity in the South, including getting Trump to agree in that Jan. 4 phone call to postpone joint military drills until after the Olympics, to avoid antagonizing North Korea.
and i can show you THE MOTIVATION FOR DOING SO!
okay, now it's your turn. what exactly did trump do to broker peace with North Korea? something specific, if he's such a genius negotiator then i'm sure the details of his brokering peace negotiations aren't going to be impossible to find.
because he asked for credit, kook. because he asked for it, and because of diplomacy they threw him a fucking bone. jesus fucking christ. i'll ask again, what exactly did he even fucking DO? he didn't do a god damned thing that anyone can actually point to, all anyone can say is he helped and no one can offer even the smallest example of what that help might've been.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/trump-asked-moon-to-give-him-public-credit-for-pressuring-north-korea-into-talks/2018/01/20/8110e20a-fc55-11e7-b832-8c26844b74fb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b57af1e2cb7
> During a Jan. 4 phone call in which the South Korean leader briefed the American president on the plans for talks with North Korea, Trump asked Moon to publicly give him the credit for creating the environment for the talks, according to people familiar with the conversation.
> (In these conversations, Trump calls his counterpart “Jae-in” — an unimaginable informality in Korean business etiquette. Moon calls Trump “Mr. President.”)
> Later that night, Trump tweeted that the talks wouldn’t be happening “if I wasn’t firm, strong and willing to commit our total ‘might’ against the North.”
> At a news conference six days later, Moon agreed Trump deserved “huge credit” for the talks.
you see? i can actually point to something that is real, an actual timeline of verified events that are the ONLY thing that trump did, HA ASKED TO BE GIVEN CREDIT.
> This prompted a flurry of activity in the South, including getting Trump to agree in that Jan. 4 phone call to postpone joint military drills until after the Olympics, to avoid antagonizing North Korea.
and i can show you THE MOTIVATION FOR DOING SO!
okay, now it's your turn. what exactly did trump do to broker peace with North Korea? something specific, if he's such a genius negotiator then i'm sure the details of his brokering peace negotiations aren't going to be impossible to find.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,472
ITT: sqeegee's river of tears flows deep and wide.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,473
@885,466 (squeegee)
He's been negotiating for months and we will likely see sanctions removed from North Korea for doing this. If that happens, will you agree that Trump played a part?
Because if the word of South Korea isn't enough, what will be?
What proof would you need to believe that Trump played a part?
He's been negotiating for months and we will likely see sanctions removed from North Korea for doing this. If that happens, will you agree that Trump played a part?
Because if the word of South Korea isn't enough, what will be?
What proof would you need to believe that Trump played a part?
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,479
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> Moon is trying to manipulate Trump into effectively undermining his own policy: putting pressure on North Korea, said one former official, asking for anonymity to protect officials still in government.
> "Kim Jong Un is setting the agenda here,” the former official said. “His purpose is to use these talks to show the world that he’s okay and to make the sanctions effort lose steam.”
An actual example of him playing a part. You saying "he's been negotiating for months" isn't proof, kook. And the word of the south koreans is that trump asked for credit, so they attribute credit.
What negotiating did he do? When did he do it? Are there phone logs? A record of anything?
The records show that trump asked to be given credit in january. Do you dispute that?
> Moon is trying to manipulate Trump into effectively undermining his own policy: putting pressure on North Korea, said one former official, asking for anonymity to protect officials still in government.
> "Kim Jong Un is setting the agenda here,” the former official said. “His purpose is to use these talks to show the world that he’s okay and to make the sanctions effort lose steam.”
An actual example of him playing a part. You saying "he's been negotiating for months" isn't proof, kook. And the word of the south koreans is that trump asked for credit, so they attribute credit.
What negotiating did he do? When did he do it? Are there phone logs? A record of anything?
The records show that trump asked to be given credit in january. Do you dispute that?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,488
@previous (squeegee)
I dont dispute that
You expect to see presidential phone logs? When has that ever happened?
Squeegee South Korea has confirmed it and we know that someone under Trump has met and conversed with Kim jong un
Will we ever get transcripts of their conversations? Of course not. Continue to disbelieve because no info that they are going to release to the general public will sway you
I dont dispute that
You expect to see presidential phone logs? When has that ever happened?
Squeegee South Korea has confirmed it and we know that someone under Trump has met and conversed with Kim jong un
Will we ever get transcripts of their conversations? Of course not. Continue to disbelieve because no info that they are going to release to the general public will sway you
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squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,506
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
why not, we get phone logs and transcripts all the time. FOIA requests kook. they don't always release them, but how do you think so many news articles cite transcripts and phone logs?
why not, we get phone logs and transcripts all the time. FOIA requests kook. they don't always release them, but how do you think so many news articles cite transcripts and phone logs?
squeegee double-posted this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,507
@885,488 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
you know info that would sway me? an example of a specific thing he did to help facilitate brokering peace. like, what'd he do? the only thing i've seen mentioned is that he "created an atmosphere that facilitated talks," which is a way to say that his threatening "fire and fury" against the north scared them to the negotiating table.
is that what he did? specifically? was to threaten and scare them to the table? it would be fine to say that, even if people will disagree with the recklessness of it, but it would be okay to point to something like that and say, "that's what he did." Is that what you think he did? recklessly threaten them into negotiations? is that what he should get the nobel prize for? bullying?
stand up for your beliefs, kook, if you believe them. it's fine, we're talking international politics, not about the school yard. i just want to hear something that's not an abstract, "he helped."
you know info that would sway me? an example of a specific thing he did to help facilitate brokering peace. like, what'd he do? the only thing i've seen mentioned is that he "created an atmosphere that facilitated talks," which is a way to say that his threatening "fire and fury" against the north scared them to the negotiating table.
is that what he did? specifically? was to threaten and scare them to the table? it would be fine to say that, even if people will disagree with the recklessness of it, but it would be okay to point to something like that and say, "that's what he did." Is that what you think he did? recklessly threaten them into negotiations? is that what he should get the nobel prize for? bullying?
stand up for your beliefs, kook, if you believe them. it's fine, we're talking international politics, not about the school yard. i just want to hear something that's not an abstract, "he helped."
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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,508
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,509
@previous (K)
the south koreans said he asked for credit, and they gave him some. as per the article i posted. it shouldn't be hard to point to what he did, if he actually did something.
the south koreans said he asked for credit, and they gave him some. as per the article i posted. it shouldn't be hard to point to what he did, if he actually did something.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,511
@885,506 (squeegee)
I dont think that we get phone calls amd transcripts from private meetings between the President and other heads of state all of the time.
I dont think that we get phone calls amd transcripts from private meetings between the President and other heads of state all of the time.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,513
@885,507 (squeegee)
Lets wait and see. If we end sanctions, you'll know exactly how he helped. Until then, we only have South Koreas word.
Lets wait and see. If we end sanctions, you'll know exactly how he helped. Until then, we only have South Koreas word.
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,514
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,520
@previous (K)
it's not an opinion piece, if it were an opinion piece it would be labeled opinion and wouldn't be from the Asia & Pacific desk
> During a Jan. 4 phone call in which the South Korean leader briefed the American president on the plans for talks with North Korea, Trump asked Moon to publicly give him the credit for creating the environment for the talks, according to people familiar with the conversation.
this was a news story citing an unnamed source. we'll have to wait for transcripts for absolute verification, which we'll get like all the other transcripts (remember the phone calls to mexico, australia and russia that were released?)
the best you can do is question the veracity of the source until the transcripts are released. which i fully expect you to do.
it's not an opinion piece, if it were an opinion piece it would be labeled opinion and wouldn't be from the Asia & Pacific desk
> During a Jan. 4 phone call in which the South Korean leader briefed the American president on the plans for talks with North Korea, Trump asked Moon to publicly give him the credit for creating the environment for the talks, according to people familiar with the conversation.
this was a news story citing an unnamed source. we'll have to wait for transcripts for absolute verification, which we'll get like all the other transcripts (remember the phone calls to mexico, australia and russia that were released?)
the best you can do is question the veracity of the source until the transcripts are released. which i fully expect you to do.
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Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,521
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,524
it certainly calls into question whether or not he actually did anything. so now it's necessary to see if he actually did do anything to deserve credit. shouldn't be to hard to prove if he was instrumental in this whole thing. i'm not sure why there's so much push back against understanding what role he had to play in this. is it that odd to want supporting details to improve our understanding of the role of the president in international peace talks?
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,526
@previous (squeegee)
> it certainly calls into question whether or not he actually did anything
nowhere does the article or the koreans imply he didn't have anything to do with it
he just asked for public credit, your logic is funny though
> it certainly calls into question whether or not he actually did anything
nowhere does the article or the koreans imply he didn't have anything to do with it
he just asked for public credit, your logic is funny though
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,531
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,533
@previous (squeegee)
so without knowing all the facts you assume trump didn't contribute anything to the peace process there
sound logic
so without knowing all the facts you assume trump didn't contribute anything to the peace process there
sound logic
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,535
@885,526 (K)
Any anonymous source, especially one with an obviously anti Trump agenda, is considered fact by lefty lib cucks. The entire rest of the world knows what fake news is and calls bullshit.
Source: anonymous people "familiar with the conversation"
Yeah. Credible. Real credible.
Any anonymous source, especially one with an obviously anti Trump agenda, is considered fact by lefty lib cucks. The entire rest of the world knows what fake news is and calls bullshit.
Source: anonymous people "familiar with the conversation"
Yeah. Credible. Real credible.
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,538
@885,533 (K)
all the facts point to him doing nothing. i'm asking for facts that point to him having done something.
@previous (F)
yep, called it. i guess we'll have to see the transcripts.
all the facts point to him doing nothing. i'm asking for facts that point to him having done something.
@previous (F)
yep, called it. i guess we'll have to see the transcripts.
Anonymous K replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,539
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,543
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,545
@885,538 (squeegee)
@885,539 (K)
If you can't trust made up anonymous sources to be 100% truthful, who can you trust? Some other anonymous source that claims the exact opposite?
@885,539 (K)
If you can't trust made up anonymous sources to be 100% truthful, who can you trust? Some other anonymous source that claims the exact opposite?
Anonymous F double-posted this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,550
@885,543 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
They are now, because it's fake news journalism.
Left wing media with an anti Trump agenda : anti Trump anonymous source
Right wing media with pro Trump agenda : anti Democrat anonymous source
They are now, because it's fake news journalism.
Left wing media with an anti Trump agenda : anti Trump anonymous source
Right wing media with pro Trump agenda : anti Democrat anonymous source
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,554
@885,545 (F)
if the transcript doesn't corroborate it then i'll sure feel foolish i guess. and as soon as we find out what trump did to help facilitate the peace negotiations i guess i'll have to go into hiding, huh. i should really start posting anon, then i'd always be hiding and never have to say, oops, i was wrong about something. i'm sure you'll be the first one to post about everything he did to bring peace to the koreas, just to rub it in my face.
if the transcript doesn't corroborate it then i'll sure feel foolish i guess. and as soon as we find out what trump did to help facilitate the peace negotiations i guess i'll have to go into hiding, huh. i should really start posting anon, then i'd always be hiding and never have to say, oops, i was wrong about something. i'm sure you'll be the first one to post about everything he did to bring peace to the koreas, just to rub it in my face.
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Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,559
@previous (squeegee)
No one gives a fuck about you. Thanks
Please try to be happy that people are trying to work towards peace, and that there is no Russian collusion. Oh wait, "an anonymous source close to the situation and familiar with the conversation says there is no Russian collusion"
No one gives a fuck about you. Thanks
Please try to be happy that people are trying to work towards peace, and that there is no Russian collusion. Oh wait, "an anonymous source close to the situation and familiar with the conversation says there is no Russian collusion"
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,563
@previous (F)you can mock me all you like, what you can't do is provide a single example of anything trump did to help with peace negotiations.
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,570
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,571
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,573
@previous (squeegee)
An anonymous source familiar with the conversation claims Trump sent his secretary of state to negotiate with North Korea with explicit instructions.
An anonymous source familiar with the conversation claims Trump sent his secretary of state to negotiate with North Korea with explicit instructions.
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,575
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,579
@previous (squeegee)
Oh, some biased news site that panders to right wingers by providing anonymous sources. It's really very similar to the articles you read. They have the same sources after all.
Oh, some biased news site that panders to right wingers by providing anonymous sources. It's really very similar to the articles you read. They have the same sources after all.
squeegee replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,583
@previous (F)> It's really very similar to the articles you read.
except you're unwilling to post the article? that seems odd. does it even exist? i'm asking because providing sources is a part of determining you're not just making the whole thing up to try and prove some kind of point. i for one would like to read more about this, unless you actually can't provide an article making those assertions. you may call wapo biased but at least i can actually point to their article.
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Anonymous J replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,608
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #885,634
@885,507 (squeegee)
> i just want to hear something that's not an abstract, "he helped."
I think that's all you're going to get, that and empty platitudes about "standing up for America" or "not backing down." I think if Trump had actually done something instrumental he would be shouting it from the rooftops and calling up FOX and Friends by now. If you want to show that Nixon thawed relations with China or Carter helped forge peace between Egypt and Israel you can actually point to things those guys did. You can point to the Camp David Accords or visits to China to back up those claims. No one just says they helped and then waves their hands about secret meetings. Apparently you can say positive things about Donald Trump with no real evidence and that's A-OK! The reverse is also true: Any unfavorable claims about him, of course, must be held to insane standards of evidence.
> i just want to hear something that's not an abstract, "he helped."
I think that's all you're going to get, that and empty platitudes about "standing up for America" or "not backing down." I think if Trump had actually done something instrumental he would be shouting it from the rooftops and calling up FOX and Friends by now. If you want to show that Nixon thawed relations with China or Carter helped forge peace between Egypt and Israel you can actually point to things those guys did. You can point to the Camp David Accords or visits to China to back up those claims. No one just says they helped and then waves their hands about secret meetings. Apparently you can say positive things about Donald Trump with no real evidence and that's A-OK! The reverse is also true: Any unfavorable claims about him, of course, must be held to insane standards of evidence.