Topic: millennials, hipsters, and deluded audiophiles can't get enough 8-track tapes
Sheila LaBoof started this discussion 8 years ago#74,019
Yes, apparently vinyl records aren't shitty enough for these fucks, and the brief fling with ordinary cassette tapes has given way to the appeal of the chunky fucked up 8-track cassette format. Indie labels are sure to continue their ignoring of the convenient and high-fidelity CD format, and release their new shit exclusively in the 8-track format.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later[^][v]#878,821
There's a cassette factory here so tapes are pretty popular
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^][v]#878,822
That's okay, nobody wants to listen to hipster music anyway.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 23 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^][v]#878,831
i end up listening to cassettes on trips more than anything else. it's not like anybody I know even has a portable CD player anymore
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#878,835
Real hipsters listen to their indie rock on wax cylinders.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#878,997
I swear, I wanted to buy a CD of something I like, but the fuckin company only made vinyls and downloads. And the downloads weren't even free. I wouldn't pay for a fuckin file of shit unless it was really trivial, like a dime or a schilling
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#879,131
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 57 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#879,232
@previous (D)
well that's the best physical object for the purpose we've got so far, so what kind of invention do you invision for fidelity and durability
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 18 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#879,238
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
cds are not durable for beans
id be surprised to see a CD that gets regular play last 5 years let alone 50
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 33 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#879,247
@previous (D)
you're doing something wrong, buddy. are you handling the disc with care at all?
Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,261
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
That's not how durability works. Cassettes were fun because they could slide around under the car seats for a year or two before you found them again and slammed them into the tape player to have them play just fine. The same way if I'm reading a book. I want a book I can throw into a bag everyday or leave on the coffee table, not some delicate specimen I have to keep in a sealed low-oxygen environment and put on gloves to turn the pages with. Optical storage sucks because any incidental scratch or scuff can potentially cause a catastrophic failure of the data storage medium.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,306
@previous (E)
clumsy oaf. I have yet to cause such damage myself because I take care, as an adult, compared to when I was a kid and would wear LP jackets as a hat while rolling the record around on the rug.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 8 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,309
but let's continue the idea: what construction or materials would do better? I would recommend a thicker layer of polycarbonate on the data layer side for instance. There is a company that claims to make recordable optical discs, which I normally would be very suspicious of, with extraordinarily robust build.
I also have in mind optical media that does not spin, but is somehow scanned instead. Perhaps the media can be square or any rectangular prism that fits within some maximum for a given reader.
Oh I wanted to complain about the "jewel cases" as they are named, the packaging for retail CDs. They are fucking garbage, brittle plastic shit fucking ass, and the god damn little hub teeth that are supposed to hold the CD securely break off too.
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Anonymous E replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,323
@previous (Sheila LaBoof) > Oh I wanted to complain about the "jewel cases" as they are named, the packaging for retail CDs. They are fucking garbage, brittle plastic shit fucking ass, and the god damn little hub teeth that are supposed to hold the CD securely break off too.
Yeah, I've lost a number of CDs to scratches caused by them coming loose in the case. My problem with optical media is the design that makes one whole side a highly vulnerable liability. If they came in cases or envelopes that protected them, like old floppy disks did, it wouldn't be as much of a design flaw in my opinion.
> what construction or materials would do better?
I'm happy right now with carrying stuff around on a thumb drive. Nearly everything has a USB port, and you can easily put a thumb drive on your key chain and carry it around without damaging it. But this whole question of actually using physical media is probably going to stop being a concern before too long as more and more things are designed with an always-on data connection in mind.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,334
well that's other people, I wouildn't pay for that shit
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,341
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Good God...they're actually bottling water...and putting it on the shelf at the grocery store..
That's dumb as fuck...noone is gonna buy bottles of water..
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Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,410
@previous (G)
you want the water thread
wrong turn at albequerque
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,411
Syntax joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,439
@879,410 (Sheila LaBoof)
I could rite a book about why CD's will ROT. Just sad YET they still put money in my wallet re who owns the patents.
They have come a long way YET they are all doomed to fail - Vinyl could be scratchy yet when stored from heat wrap damage they wood last forever - CD's were never designed to last a long time from the get go. Not that designers had much of a clue back then and by the time they found out no one could do anything about it because file downloads made them obsolete
Of course what they got downloaded on2 was also pron to Fail
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,443
@previous (Syntax)
have you been drinking this morning or something?
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,446
@879,439 (Syntax)
Vinyl will only last forever if you never play it in addition to the other precautions you mentioned. If you're careful when handling a CD and store it in a reasonably safe place, the overwhelming majority of factory pressed ones will serve you throughout your lifetime.
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Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,450
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
bullshit, i have CDs that rarely left my changer that skip and are scratched to heck and back without me ever having touched them. I'd rather hear grain than deal with skips
Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,451
@879,446 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI) > will serve you throughout your lifetime.
I suggest you hit Google and ask - "Why do CD's deteriorate"
Terms like Disc Rot or Data Rot are also applicable
I go back to those days of yesteryear when MCA/Universal studios bought the patent for Laser disk recording and expanded on it - Later IBM Sony and Phillips and a host of benefactors came in - A quality detailed topic exists on TC about this
Super thin layers of metals silver and aluminum and even if stored in oxygen free environments and then there are ions and the oxygen trapped at manufacturing and a long host of why rot occurs - But hey not long ago you trusted a relative to protect your library of music - One should not take valuables for granted
FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 8 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,456
@previous (Syntax)
I didn't trust him to protect my music, I trusted him not to go into my room and start throwing stuff away without consulting me; a fairly reasonable expectation I think, considering I still live here and am easy to get a hold of.
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,459
> I could rite a book about why CD's will ROT. Just sad YET they still put money in my wallet re who owns the patents. > They have come a long way YET they are all doomed to fail - Vinyl could be scratchy yet when stored from heat wrap damage they wood last forever - CD's were never designed to last a long time from the get go. Not that designers had much of a clue back then and by the time they found out no one could do anything about it because file downloads made them obsolete > > Of course what they got downloaded on2 was also pron to Fail
no that's not true
Sheila LaBoof (OP) double-posted this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,461
@879,450 (D)
scratched to hell and back? something's not operating correctly buddy
and yeah, vinyl lasts as long as you don't play it
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Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,462
@879,456 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Around the time I got into Ham Radio and had guts of stuff here and there as I was putting stuff together with wires easy to pull out by just stepping or sweeping the floor I asked mom to forgo doing anything to my room. That worked.
Reminds me of that time I was working at first job at Hughes Malibu Research Labs. Company had a contract closed b4 completion with all surplus sold off for one cents on dollar or below. I bought the fire control master switch for the B1 Bomber that was intended to launch the missile. Couple of years later woke up to all equipment ON - SWITCH Failed. Good thing that contract was kaput.
Your reply got me to remember I needed to CHARGE my older version of Clip Jam. Flash drives when left idle lose their charge on cells - Now Charging
Syntax double-posted this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,464
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Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,474
5 dimensions you say
Barry Morningwood !BwLkdrX0mA joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#879,479
@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Mr Bongostein invented the 4th and 5th dementia
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#879,539
> scratched to hell and back? something's not operating correctly buddy > > and yeah, vinyl lasts as long as you don't play it
whatever get a dang flac pono player or something then, Neil young
Sheila LaBoof (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#879,570