Topic: Do we really have a problem in America regarding Intellectual Property Theft?
??? !TGirlYJKXM started this discussion 8 years ago #73,936
I thought that would be called plagiarism, but I had no idea that was at epidemic levels. Can someone please confirm that our President is correct in his claims? He forgot to provide a citation.chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 29 seconds later[^] [v] #878,171
why do you always sound stoned
??? !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,172
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I'm not sure the reason or was aware that anything I am writing gave off that impression.
I'm not sure the reason or was aware that anything I am writing gave off that impression.
Depressionman™ !iAYoMftFR2 joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,174
Trump is making things up, as always, to get his way.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 1 second later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,175
Depressionman™ !iAYoMftFR2 replied with this 8 years ago, 30 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,176
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,178
@previous (Depressionman™ !iAYoMftFR2)
you are just as bad as bert
you are one of the worst people I know and I know some fuckin people
you are just as bad as bert
you are one of the worst people I know and I know some fuckin people
??? !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,179
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,180
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??? !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 6 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,182
@878,174 (Depressionman™ !iAYoMftFR2)
I'm pretty sure any person could decipher that he is talking out of his ass. I tweet him regularly since it's not like he's going to read my shit anyway. Half the crap he tweets is retarded. Trump is an example of a sore winner and how is that possible? I have no fucking clue. He always mentions Crooked Hillary even when the election has been over for 1 year like he is still on the campaign trail. He currently has this gripe against Amazon while I'm sure their corporate heads don't give a shit about him. I hope those who are non-partisan can admit that this is the worst president within the last sixteen years.
I'm pretty sure any person could decipher that he is talking out of his ass. I tweet him regularly since it's not like he's going to read my shit anyway. Half the crap he tweets is retarded. Trump is an example of a sore winner and how is that possible? I have no fucking clue. He always mentions Crooked Hillary even when the election has been over for 1 year like he is still on the campaign trail. He currently has this gripe against Amazon while I'm sure their corporate heads don't give a shit about him. I hope those who are non-partisan can admit that this is the worst president within the last sixteen years.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,184
@OP
> I thought that would be called plagiarism
Intellectual property (IP) can also include design, engineering, and technology that would normally be covered under patent law. It's not just copyrighted material. There is a substantial problem with China regarding IP. That's not news. People have been wondering how to handle some of these issues for the past decade or more. It's going to be an issue as the economy becomes more tech driven.
Our trade deficit with China also isn't news, and we've been wondering about how to handle that for decades. Spoiler: Trump has no fucking clue and can't fix it.
China just enacted retaliatory tariffs on the US because of our tariffs on them. I don't what he thinks a trade war is, but we seem to be in one. I'm guessing his whining is just part of his personality. He's the bully who pushes everyone around and cries when someone shoves back. China is shoving back.
> I thought that would be called plagiarism
Intellectual property (IP) can also include design, engineering, and technology that would normally be covered under patent law. It's not just copyrighted material. There is a substantial problem with China regarding IP. That's not news. People have been wondering how to handle some of these issues for the past decade or more. It's going to be an issue as the economy becomes more tech driven.
Our trade deficit with China also isn't news, and we've been wondering about how to handle that for decades. Spoiler: Trump has no fucking clue and can't fix it.
China just enacted retaliatory tariffs on the US because of our tariffs on them. I don't what he thinks a trade war is, but we seem to be in one. I'm guessing his whining is just part of his personality. He's the bully who pushes everyone around and cries when someone shoves back. China is shoving back.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,185
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,186
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,187
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 10 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,189
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I would like you to name one thing that is actually true, rather than “Lynne G. Mangosteen said so”. Something that is actually, verifiably true.
I would like you to name one thing that is actually true, rather than “Lynne G. Mangosteen said so”. Something that is actually, verifiably true.
Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,190
@OP
> I thought that would be called plagiarism, but I had no idea that was at epidemic levels. Can someone please confirm that our President is correct in his claims? He forgot to provide a citation.
Well I can confirm from my own years-old knowledge of Chinese "knockoffs" as they are called, counterfeit brand name products, or merely copy-cat products. It's a decades-old phenomenon but is far more easier when non-Chinese companies pay Chinese factories to make their stuff, so sometime you even get the same factory selling the shittier ones that failed quality control through other channels. Then there are people who invent something such as a puzzle of the twisty type (Rubik's Cube is the famous one) and some Chinese guy just makes a shit load of them without permission.
> I thought that would be called plagiarism, but I had no idea that was at epidemic levels. Can someone please confirm that our President is correct in his claims? He forgot to provide a citation.
Well I can confirm from my own years-old knowledge of Chinese "knockoffs" as they are called, counterfeit brand name products, or merely copy-cat products. It's a decades-old phenomenon but is far more easier when non-Chinese companies pay Chinese factories to make their stuff, so sometime you even get the same factory selling the shittier ones that failed quality control through other channels. Then there are people who invent something such as a puzzle of the twisty type (Rubik's Cube is the famous one) and some Chinese guy just makes a shit load of them without permission.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #878,192
@878,180 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
> not sure why you're apologizing for that?
> i dunno it's just weird
lol. she always apologizes when I say rude things so I stopped
> not sure why you're apologizing for that?
> i dunno it's just weird
lol. she always apologizes when I say rude things so I stopped
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 14 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,267
@878,190 (Sheila LaBoof)
There was a guy who bought an authentic Swiss army knife from a Chinese street market. He thought that these people were importing from EUrope and selling their items for less than the cost of manufacturing. It turns out that shit from Chinese street markets fall apart and the supposedly hardened steel is, in fact, Chinesium muck metal.
But boy did it look just like a real one!
There was a guy who bought an authentic Swiss army knife from a Chinese street market. He thought that these people were importing from EUrope and selling their items for less than the cost of manufacturing. It turns out that shit from Chinese street markets fall apart and the supposedly hardened steel is, in fact, Chinesium muck metal.
But boy did it look just like a real one!
Sheila LaBoof replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,269
yeah too often when you think you are buying a thing, you are only buying the idea of the thing, and the object is a mere imaginary impression of the thing that you wanted
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 35 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,276
@878,184 (D)
Intellectual property is a bullshit buzz word, it's supposed to give the impression that an idea can be treated like actual property. Intellectual property isn't a thing, it isn't a law, it's mumbo-jumbo created by people who have the licensing rights to an idea, trying to fool people into thinking it is protected like someone can't steal your bike.
Intellectual property is a bullshit buzz word, it's supposed to give the impression that an idea can be treated like actual property. Intellectual property isn't a thing, it isn't a law, it's mumbo-jumbo created by people who have the licensing rights to an idea, trying to fool people into thinking it is protected like someone can't steal your bike.
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,278
Matt just got BTFO by Triptych
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,280
@previous (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this previous (Depressionman™ !iAYoMftFR2)
you are just as bad as bert
you are one of the worst people I know and I know some fuckin people
you are just as bad as bert
you are one of the worst people I know and I know some fuckin people
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 21 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,281
@878,276 (G)
> Intellectual property isn't a thing, it isn't a law, it's mumbo-jumbo created by people who have the licensing rights to an idea
To be honest, I'm pretty sympathetic to this point of view personally. Unfortunately, the companies that manufacture the hardware and write the software that goes into everything from medical devices, phones, cars, servers, and gaming consoles to rockets and the latest military technology don't agree with us. The IP problem is a little more serious than someone accidentally buying a Dolce & Banana purse.
> Intellectual property isn't a thing, it isn't a law, it's mumbo-jumbo created by people who have the licensing rights to an idea
To be honest, I'm pretty sympathetic to this point of view personally. Unfortunately, the companies that manufacture the hardware and write the software that goes into everything from medical devices, phones, cars, servers, and gaming consoles to rockets and the latest military technology don't agree with us. The IP problem is a little more serious than someone accidentally buying a Dolce & Banana purse.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 17 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,284
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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,288
@878,189 (C)
You asked her for illegal photographs when she was just fifteen years old, you shambling mass of excrement. Deny it all you want; we all know you're a pathological liar while Trip is not.
You asked her for illegal photographs when she was just fifteen years old, you shambling mass of excrement. Deny it all you want; we all know you're a pathological liar while Trip is not.
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,290
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 12 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,291
@878,281 (D)
Dolce & Banana is legit. Trademarks™ are consumer protection to stop companies fooling you into buying fake Dolce and Gabbana.
The purpose of patents is to share knowledge. If you come up with a design and want to patent it you have to clearly and precisely describe that design. That shows everyone interested exactly what it is and how it works, and you get the right to be the only one who can use that design for a limited amount of time before everyone can benefit from it and utilize it as they see fit.
Copyrights are similar to patents but are for artistic works which must be published. They hold a temporary right to be the sole publisher of that work before it becomes part of the public domain. Musicians are influenced by the music that came before them, in the same way programmers are influenced by the code already written. Their own unique arrangements are theirs for their lifetime and after that they belong to everyone much like patented inventions.
No one has exclusive rights to ideas, or the right to stop people having the same or similar ideas. And no one can hold back innovation and knowledge because they claim they thought of it first, no one else is allowed to think it now, and they get to make money from it forever
Changing the language to start calling ideas property is to try to subvert the notion that all inventions and writings are owned by all of us and is how humanity moves forwards. "Good idea" or "great song" means you get to use it for a while, it does not mean it is your family farm that no one can take away and you should be able to protect forever with a gun.
Intellectual property is misleading language cooked up by shyster lawyers
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Dolce & Banana is legit. Trademarks™ are consumer protection to stop companies fooling you into buying fake Dolce and Gabbana.
The purpose of patents is to share knowledge. If you come up with a design and want to patent it you have to clearly and precisely describe that design. That shows everyone interested exactly what it is and how it works, and you get the right to be the only one who can use that design for a limited amount of time before everyone can benefit from it and utilize it as they see fit.
Copyrights are similar to patents but are for artistic works which must be published. They hold a temporary right to be the sole publisher of that work before it becomes part of the public domain. Musicians are influenced by the music that came before them, in the same way programmers are influenced by the code already written. Their own unique arrangements are theirs for their lifetime and after that they belong to everyone much like patented inventions.
No one has exclusive rights to ideas, or the right to stop people having the same or similar ideas. And no one can hold back innovation and knowledge because they claim they thought of it first, no one else is allowed to think it now, and they get to make money from it forever
Changing the language to start calling ideas property is to try to subvert the notion that all inventions and writings are owned by all of us and is how humanity moves forwards. "Good idea" or "great song" means you get to use it for a while, it does not mean it is your family farm that no one can take away and you should be able to protect forever with a gun.
Intellectual property is misleading language cooked up by shyster lawyers
/rant
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Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,369
@878,291 (G)
That's a pretty good overview. I have mainly heard "intellectual property" used as an umbrella term for copyrights, trademarks, patents, and the like. The language is certainly unfortunate because it conflates ideas with physical property, but the term isn't new. I think that in regards to China, the problem is them not respecting even the limited rights that you outlined.
That's a pretty good overview. I have mainly heard "intellectual property" used as an umbrella term for copyrights, trademarks, patents, and the like. The language is certainly unfortunate because it conflates ideas with physical property, but the term isn't new. I think that in regards to China, the problem is them not respecting even the limited rights that you outlined.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 13 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #878,370
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@878,369 (D)
That's right. It's as if when something gets to China is in the public domain, and no exclusive rights seem to be acknowledged. The Chinese are very good at copying, but they lack understanding of the things they copy. It might look the same or similar, but it likely doesn't function the same because of that lack of understanding.
That's right. It's as if when something gets to China is in the public domain, and no exclusive rights seem to be acknowledged. The Chinese are very good at copying, but they lack understanding of the things they copy. It might look the same or similar, but it likely doesn't function the same because of that lack of understanding.