Topic: Will Universal Basic Income actually happen?
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM started this discussion 8 years ago #73,162
I can honestly seeing this become the next hot topic in the 2020’s. Replacing Universal Healthcare. Shit, if the argument is that every citizen of a country should get a livable income then there would be no need to talk UHC since everybody would be able to afford the healthcare system as it exists now.
The 2020’s really is going to get scary.
The 2020’s really is going to get scary.
itwasanokday iLoVeYOUvM, joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #873,102
You're fucking retarded
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,103
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 11 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,106
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> Can we remain focused on the questions being asked?
no. because it's a catdraad
> Can we remain focused on the questions being asked?
no. because it's a catdraad
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,108
@previous (C)
Just trying to provide conversation that isn’t about Matt, poots ?, Green, Triptych, or anything that makes this place feel like just another Kiwi ? Forums.
Just trying to provide conversation that isn’t about Matt, poots ?, Green, Triptych, or anything that makes this place feel like just another Kiwi ? Forums.
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,112
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 50 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,113
> Universal Basic Income
The prime objective of Communism based on Karl Marx.
"all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
Even Karl was smart enough to imagine a huge number of citizens would be shiftless and lazy.
> every citizen of a country should get a livable income
That is just bat shit crazy. People which probably includes you would end up playing video games all day.
The prime objective of Communism based on Karl Marx.
"all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
Even Karl was smart enough to imagine a huge number of citizens would be shiftless and lazy.
> every citizen of a country should get a livable income
That is just bat shit crazy. People which probably includes you would end up playing video games all day.
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,115
@previous (D)
she already does. ubi might just mean that she won't end up on the street when her safety net isn't there anymore
good thing
she already does. ubi might just mean that she won't end up on the street when her safety net isn't there anymore
good thing
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 46 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,116
Seems like the cost a lot of medical care in the US would still exceed what people would get as ubi
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,120
@873,113 (D)
Isn’t UBI just welfare? So why would the state own anything? This whole ideal feels like half Marx.
@873,115 (C)
Nah, I’d use the money for equipment to pursue photography and maybe filmmaking.
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Good point.
Isn’t UBI just welfare? So why would the state own anything? This whole ideal feels like half Marx.
@873,115 (C)
Nah, I’d use the money for equipment to pursue photography and maybe filmmaking.
@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Good point.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,122
@873,116 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
only if you pay the jacked-up insurance rates. If you don't have insurance you can negotiate the price down, which is what the insurance companies do anyway while billing your policy for the full amount.
only if you pay the jacked-up insurance rates. If you don't have insurance you can negotiate the price down, which is what the insurance companies do anyway while billing your policy for the full amount.
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,124
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,125
@873,120 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> Isn’t UBI just welfare?
Because I only remember Bernie shouting out UBI and shaking my head. I looked UBI up with Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
I read down to line 3 on this device.
"among other things, that there is no state requirement to work or to look for work in such a society. The payment is also, in such a pure basic income, totally independent of any other income"
So again I can only conclude that this indeed is just bat shit crazy. I stopped reading at this point.
> Isn’t UBI just welfare?
Because I only remember Bernie shouting out UBI and shaking my head. I looked UBI up with Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
I read down to line 3 on this device.
"among other things, that there is no state requirement to work or to look for work in such a society. The payment is also, in such a pure basic income, totally independent of any other income"
So again I can only conclude that this indeed is just bat shit crazy. I stopped reading at this point.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,128
Wouldnt the price of everything just go up?
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,130
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
It's been done successfully in alberta iirc and there are trials in ontario
It's been done successfully in alberta iirc and there are trials in ontario
16bitch !BMhSp1fpyA joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #873,131
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,132
@873,130 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
But certain cities out of a country isnt really a way to tell if it would work for a whole country
But certain cities out of a country isnt really a way to tell if it would work for a whole country
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,134
Anonymous C replied with this 8 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,135
@873,132 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> But certain cities out of a country isnt really a way to tell if it would work for a whole country
why don't you want free money??
> But certain cities out of a country isnt really a way to tell if it would work for a whole country
why don't you want free money??
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,136
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,138
Anonymous D replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,139
@873,130 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
I looked up the trials currently.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-universal-basic-income-ontario-trial-citizens-residents-poverty-unemployment-benefits-a8082576.html
So far that money is selectively handed out. Not freely available to just anyone who comes along and asks for it.
I looked up the trials currently.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-universal-basic-income-ontario-trial-citizens-residents-poverty-unemployment-benefits-a8082576.html
So far that money is selectively handed out. Not freely available to just anyone who comes along and asks for it.
Anonymous D double-posted this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,140
@873,136 (I)
I read enough to make my conclusion. You are free to read the total article and prove me wrong.
I read enough to make my conclusion. You are free to read the total article and prove me wrong.
WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,142
Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #873,145
@previous (WSD !m2cp3rR5zw)
So of course as Anon D -
Yea kinda. Old idea about how to pay welfare. I wood have to review that vs the newer concept of just handing out money to anyone who asks for it.
Got to split for one more business meeting - None NOT one of these this week has amounted to anything but lots of food and Champagne and will continue for a while unless 2Morrows planned blow out ends this cycle - Company I do a huge amount of consulting was in process of being Raped by another company which wood have ended my work as Consultant - Trump who I despise, decided the Rape wood not be in best interest of USA over all and ordered the Rape to HALT.
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So of course as Anon D -
Yea kinda. Old idea about how to pay welfare. I wood have to review that vs the newer concept of just handing out money to anyone who asks for it.
Got to split for one more business meeting - None NOT one of these this week has amounted to anything but lots of food and Champagne and will continue for a while unless 2Morrows planned blow out ends this cycle - Company I do a huge amount of consulting was in process of being Raped by another company which wood have ended my work as Consultant - Trump who I despise, decided the Rape wood not be in best interest of USA over all and ordered the Rape to HALT.
ZoooOOOoooOOOOOOOOooooM-------------------------------------------------------------------->
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,146
@873,132 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
ALberta is a province
@873,139 (D)
Check out the Alberta trials, it was quite a while ago but more comprehensive
ALberta is a province
@873,139 (D)
Check out the Alberta trials, it was quite a while ago but more comprehensive
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 24 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,147
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 40 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,151
I didn’t read this topic but I hope we get UBI after cath starves for being useless.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 16 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,153
Also how would universal income make all healthcare affordable?
itwasanokday iLoVeYOUvM, replied with this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,154
@873,146 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
unless you make drastic changes you are going to need someone to support you when you flunk out of school..
unless you make drastic changes you are going to need someone to support you when you flunk out of school..
chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,169
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,229
Wouldn't this most likely be implemented with a set maximum that a person is given so that way it entices them to go to school to get one of the higher paying careers so they could add more money on top of the very basic package? This is what I thought UBI usually meant. We give you a livable salary, but it wouldn't be a luxurious salary. You still have to work for that shit, nigga. I guess I may have been misunderstanding the meaning of UBI, but I always assumed this was going to be something to replace minimal wage work.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 30 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,240
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Where does the money come from? What happens to the minimum wage jobs?
Where does the money come from? What happens to the minimum wage jobs?
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,280
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> Where does the money come from?
Ehh, just add to the national deficit, nobody will notice.
> What happens to the minimum wage jobs?
performed by robots, hire one guy to maintain the robots.
> Where does the money come from?
Ehh, just add to the national deficit, nobody will notice.
> What happens to the minimum wage jobs?
performed by robots, hire one guy to maintain the robots.
Anonymous F double-posted this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,281
@873,240 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
> Where does the money come from?
Idk, maybe increase the corporate tax rate and close the loopholes they use to not pay anything??
> Where does the money come from?
Idk, maybe increase the corporate tax rate and close the loopholes they use to not pay anything??
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 22 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,283
@873,240 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
The vast majority of jobs are expected to be replaced with automation in the next few decades. You'll probably be okay for a while.
The vast majority of jobs are expected to be replaced with automation in the next few decades. You'll probably be okay for a while.
itwasanokday iLoVeYOUvM, replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,285
Chill out George Jetson..
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Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 20 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,299
@873,240 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
The likely culprit would be automation replacing human workers for those basic cashier work. I'm willing to bet restocking would be the next thing to automate if it hasn't already.
The likely culprit would be automation replacing human workers for those basic cashier work. I'm willing to bet restocking would be the next thing to automate if it hasn't already.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 8 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,343
@873,280 (F)
@873,283 (L)
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
No I mean what are those workers to do with themselves?
@873,283 (L)
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
No I mean what are those workers to do with themselves?
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 36 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,344
Anonymous F replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,350
@873,343 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
whatever they want.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
not if they want to get american dollars
whatever they want.
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
not if they want to get american dollars
Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 15 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,351
@873,299 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> I'm willing to bet restocking would be the next thing to automate if it hasn't already.
Robots remove items from shelves at Amazon and restocks them with the same Robots.
> I'm willing to bet restocking would be the next thing to automate if it hasn't already.
Robots remove items from shelves at Amazon and restocks them with the same Robots.
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,353
@873,350 (F)
But they would be losing money with the tax "loopholes" removed. I feel like many of the high income earners would just leave.
Regarding the minimum wage people and sudden free time. Its an odd situation because it seems as though they would have enough to live but not enough to enjoy their newly found curricular hours. Would we see a resurgence in gangs? In alcohol and drug dependency? Also how much of peoples self worth times into their productivity? Should we/would we be teaching them new trades?
But they would be losing money with the tax "loopholes" removed. I feel like many of the high income earners would just leave.
Regarding the minimum wage people and sudden free time. Its an odd situation because it seems as though they would have enough to live but not enough to enjoy their newly found curricular hours. Would we see a resurgence in gangs? In alcohol and drug dependency? Also how much of peoples self worth times into their productivity? Should we/would we be teaching them new trades?
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 31 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,356
@873,343 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Why do you think everybody would just quit their jobs if they had a basic income?
Why do you think everybody would just quit their jobs if they had a basic income?
Anonymous M double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,357
@OP
universal income wouldn't be enough to pay for healthcare lol
universal income wouldn't be enough to pay for healthcare lol
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 37 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,367
@873,356 (M)
I think that minimum wage people probably would also it was brought up that we would lose minimum wage jobs entirely
I think that minimum wage people probably would also it was brought up that we would lose minimum wage jobs entirely
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kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 31 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,368
Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #873,370
@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
You got no response because we and I mean every intelligent person no's there really are no free lunch's. Free income and free healthcare add up to the need for a printing press to print unlimited money with no consequences.
You got no response because we and I mean every intelligent person no's there really are no free lunch's. Free income and free healthcare add up to the need for a printing press to print unlimited money with no consequences.
Anonymous M replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #873,395
@previous (Syntax)
who is claiming ubi is free? i think everybody is aware it would cost a lot of money.
who is claiming ubi is free? i think everybody is aware it would cost a lot of money.