kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later[^][v]#866,306
Bump
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#866,309
I'll try to sum it up since I couldn't possibly do that without giving my entire life story. And no offense to you, Kook, I do not feel like answering a ton of questions tonight and I know I raise a lot of questions for you.
My experience with gender dysphoria throughout my life has mostly been weird conflicting feelings. Thoughts of questioning what it was like to have a vagina, but beyond the level of Jerry Smith from Rick & Morty. Whenever I have a crush on a girl either in the media or in real life, this is often followed with questions about if I'd rather be them or be with them where the answer tends to end up being both. Only years ago it was when I started to question my attraction to men, which is why I believe that I am bisexual. Yeah, I know I was questioning asexually, but that was only because I never thought I liked sex. Which I know now isn't entirely true. It wasn't until going on hormones that any doubts that I have were gone and it felt as if I was heading in a positive direction. I felt like I was also going down a spiritual path at the same time too as if this was what was planned for my character in a novel or a movie. There was a sense of euphoria (tips fedora) that came with acknowledging who I was instead of constantly questioning myself. While there are some dark times, those dark times decreased significantly. While I am in a current slump of depression, and for a few such as Kook who know why, I know that I am going to pull through this with confidence and hopefully some peace of mind as I move forward in life. I just have to stay positive, always look on the bright side of life, and hopefully God or whomever is up there watching over me likes me enough. For once in my life, I am positive and I like that feeling.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,310
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Do you feel any actual dysphoria, though?
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,313
@previous (A)
There are times when I don't think I do, but then there are times when I really do, and then there are other times when I do yet I don't think that I do. I know that doesn't make sense, but that is how I feel. And in all honesty, since starting hormones I have really noticed the gender euphoria more and it can be intoxicating at times. Like there was a blanket of self-love tossed over me instead of hate for oneself.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 29 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,319
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
What I'm reading here is that you don't feel body dysmorphia or true dysphoric feelings about your gender but the female hormones get you high.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,321
@previous (A)
I was saying more than just that so perhaps the issue is reading comprehension? Also, I get body dysmorphia all the time.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,325
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You never explained what your dysphoria feels like. I don't think you have any.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,327
@866,321 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Also you are the last person who should be bringing up someone else's reading comprehension.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,329
@previous (A)
Yeah, that was rude of me, I was about to come here to apologize. So I am going to apologize in this post. I'm sorry.
@866,325 (A)
It's kind of a hard thing to describe so I was doing the best I can. How do you know I don't have any?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 7 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,375
@866,309 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
that's fucking sick
what the fuck is wrong with you?
Syntax joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,386
@OP > crush on a girl > Thoughts of questioning what it was like to have a vagina
I fail to understand why you never gave being a regular male a chance. The standard steps of dating and the experience of actually finding out what a girl is all about from her point of view which includes vaginas and all that goes with it. Photos are NOT a substitute.
Perhaps if you did you wood find that was not what you want - On the other hand you might enjoy a close intimate connection with a girl -Or maybe you decided you could do that after you transition.
So it seems at some point you decided to forgo the normal and decided to move on past that in dramatic ways.
From the way I look at this - You are going to wait until you're past 30 before you even take the steps for a intimate relationship with and I do not no how to say this - With of course remains undefined - Seems that will be harder to find when your options are reduced
Written b4 1st sip of my Triple Espresso
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 replied with this 8 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,413
Not trying to be too critical Catherine, but you didn't really discuss dysphoria
kook !!OPZbEQMT1 double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,415
@866,313 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Also I have a problem with this statement and you know why?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 46 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,434
bump
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 8 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,445
@866,413 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1) @866,415 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)
Yeah, I was trying to sum up 2 years of therapy in a few posts which as I noted above is a hard thing to do.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,448
Oooooooh
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 12 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,449
I guess we will have to wait until after the surgery to hear catherine's description of dysphoria? It should be easy to describe then.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 10 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,468
@previous (A)
i can tell you right now that having a penis feels like a foreign object is attached to me. I always felt like it was weird to see something down there just sticking out. Plus other issues lead to a hatred of it. The day I get the bottom surgery sounds both terrifying and relieving to me at the same time. This isn't high on my priorities right now since I consider Facial Feminization Surgery to be of higher importance. People see your face every day, only a few see your genitals. Of course, I think I understand why insurance companies won't cover FFS unless it was considered "medically important" by a therapist or a doctor. It's because hormones have an effect on one's face so it depends on what is needed for the actual FFS.
@866,445 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You're a fucking failure, you whore.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,471
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM) > People see your face every day, only a few see your genitals.
You have to feel them 24/7. Based on what you have written so far, I don't think you have gender dysphoria.
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Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,478
@previous (A) > You have to feel them 24/7.
That's true, but it's just something I have to deal with for the time being.
> Based on what you have written so far.
You're asking me to describe something in easy to digest black and white terminology. There is obviously more greyness to it than that so I apologize, I am doing the best I can.
> I don't think you have gender dysphoria.
I hope you are a licensed professional who can take everything into account and make that conclusion on your own. This wasn't something that I felt like any regular person could understand which is why, unlike many others, I actually sought out therapy to help me get a better understanding of these feelings. It has helped me a whole bunch and I am feeling more confident with who I am. The hormones also helped with that understanding too.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,483
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM) > You're asking me to describe something in easy to digest black and white terminology.
No I'm not. I want to hear YOUR description of gender dysphoria. You haven't really touched on it yet.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,497
@previous (A)
And that is what I am trying to convey to you. My understanding of my experience with gender dysphoria feels very complex so that I am trying to break it down into smaller pieces instead of a long novel since I know most people here wouldn't be interested in something that is tl;dr.
I could say that my feelings with dysphoria felt like ones that most teenage boys wouldn't have. I would often see girls and wonder why I wasn't born as one or wonder why life was cruel enough to not allow me to choose which gender to be. I used to believe, as a naive kid, that a sex change was as simple as going to the hospital and walking out a girl. I knew that would have been something that I wanted to do someday. These feelings just continued until adulthood until I realized that I should start school, seek out therapy at the same time, and hopefully someday end up with money to start the transition process. It always felt awkward when I was younger and feeling forced into a group with the other boys.
I'm sorry I am doing a poor job of describing this to you.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 16 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,525
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You have described normal sexual curiosity, not gender dysphoria. Thanks.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,531
@previous (A)
I used to think that too, but there was something more to it than mere curiosity. I started asking myself the questions of "Would that be something I really want?" or "If I ended up a girl for a day would I want to go back?" The answers I found were Yes, and for the second one, No. Gender change episodes of shows where everything reverted back always depressed me because if I were in that situation I would beg whoever did the swapping to not change me back. See why I was confused? Something like mere sexual curiosity got in the way which, again, is why I sought out professional help. I know now that it wasn't merely a sexual curiosity, hell, the feeling wasn't even in the least bit sexual. I dunno, I guess, in order to fully describe this I would be required to write a memoir of my life.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,537
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Let's try something different. Tell us about your daily struggle with gender dysphoria. How do you feel when you walk around dressed like a neckbeard?
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,547
> How do you feel when you walk around dressed like a neckbeard?
I fucking it. I fucking hate having facial hair on my face. I shave all the time and sometimes feel like I have to shave more than once a day. I am tired of being afraid to go out dressed as my gender and have to wear boy clothes or gender neutral clothing. I hope to start presenting in the GSA group since that is a perfect place to build my confidence and hopefully start presenting full time. I am tired of being a coward. It fucking sucks. I hate looking at myself in the fucking mirror and see some guy staring back at me. Brings new meaning to the song "Reflection" from Mulan. There are other days when I see the positives in my appearance in front of a mirror and see what I could do to appear more feminine, but other days there is a depression I have deep down that I won't pass. Fuck, man, it sucks!
I wouldn't really use the word neckbeard to describe my current appearance other than the fact that I have facial hair that I shave every day. Neckbeard in my mind paints a picture of a beard obese man who is also a nerd. I only have two of those checked off since I am not obese, but only one since I shave the neckbeard.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,551
@866,531 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
stop saying that you need to write a memoir or autobiography to answer a question about a feeling. fuck, you'll do it anyway. ugh
Anonymous G double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,553
@866,547 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
dude you don't have a neck beard if you shave it off
ugh
why am I even reading this shit. bye! sorry OP is fucking with you ignore him bye
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,555
@previous (G)
That is what I suspected, but yeah, I got that a little while ago.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,562
It always felt awkward when I was younger and feeling forced into a group with the other boys.
Me too.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,564
@866,547 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You wear a fedora. You dress like a neckbeard.
How do you know you would feel more comfortable in women's clothing if you've never worn them around anyone?
Have you tried anything at all? Do you wear panties? Have you ever worn girl jeans?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,565
quit your shit you disgusting fucking asshole
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,568
> Have you tried anything at all? Do you wear panties? Have you ever worn girl jeans?
Yes, I have a wardrobe of girl's clothing; yes, I wore them within my room; yes, I have ladies underwear; no, I have never worn a pair of girl jeans.
I'm tired of repeating the fact that I have girl's clothing. Pay attention so you don't have to ask next time.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,570
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
DO YOU WEAR THEM IN PUBLIC?
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,572
@previous (A)
What? The clothing or the underwear?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,574
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
What are you wearing right now?
Syntax replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,575
@866,547 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM) > I fucking it. I fucking hate having facial hair on my face. I shave all the time and sometimes feel like I have to shave more than once a day.
Time for me to end my net day/nite as real life is going to be well just special 2nite
Where you live is ISOLATED Wait until spring or summer and take a trip to West Hollywood or down my way to Hillcrest area of San Diego.
Trans often walk around in beards and even trimmed yet full beards - Worst of all from my viewpoint is those who have boobs and hairy ones at that - Not full out but with cleavage nor do they even try and shave the chest -
I viewed that in Australia as well.
Anonymous I replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,576
fucking fags
that's disgusting
fucking walking around in the open in California and they don't even get assaulted
Anonymous I double-posted this 8 years ago, 31 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,577
you try that shit here and you get your fucking head kicked in
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,578
dude Shut the fuck up
What are you getting out of this
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,581
@866,574 (A)
Now that sounds like a sexual question and I refuse to answer it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,583
@866,578 (G) @previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I want to know if he's dressed like a girl, since he is alone in his room. I bet he isn't.
You fucking perverts.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,585
@previous (A)
I understand your line of questioning I just think it makes you a huge asshole
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,586
@previous (G)
I'm an asshole, and he's delusional.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,591
@866,583 (A)
Yes, I wear my girl clothes when I sit my desk.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,594
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Do you frantically change into boy clothes every time your brother knocks and wants to watch Space Jam?
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 54 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,595
@866,586 (A)
what do you care? you're not her psych. it has nothing to do with you. it took Catherine ten years to realize she had to get off her ass and go back to school, what makes you think she'd sooner wear women's clothing??
also have you ever been to Bakersfield? it doesn't matter what you wear in the desert.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 19 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,596
Start your real life test at home. Wear a skirt to family dinner and see how it makes you feel.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,597
@previous (A)
stop
or: why don't you wear a dress to a family dinner, a-hole
also who the fuck wears a dress in the house to just eat dinner
eat a dick
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 21 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,598
@866,595 (G)
She is in for a world of hurt if she keeps this up without realizing it's a mistake if done for the wrong reasons.
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Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 3 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,599
@866,575 (Syntax)
we do not need your appraisal. praise your dick
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 47 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,601
@866,594 (A)
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm still working on how to tell my brother.
@866,595 (G)
But Anon G is right, you're starting to act like you're my psychiatrist and these questions are already way too personal that it is uncomfortable. So I respectfully decline to answer any further questions.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 35 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,602
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You've already answered the OP question. You don't actually feel any gender dysphoria.
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Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,603
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 17 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,604
> She is in for a world of hurt if she keeps this up without realizing it's a mistake if done for the wrong reasons.
you sound like you're writing this and making these assumptions from a world of hurt
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,614
I mostly made this for kook, she never presses catherine hard enough.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,617
@previous (A)
you've done is all a great service!!! you really showed... kook? that Catherine can't answer any simple questions? who knew
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,620
@previous (G)
Well during the course of this topic my opinion of catherine changed for sure. I thought maybe she was a real tranny but it turns out he's a transtrender.
Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,621
what do ya all fuckin no
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,630
@866,620 (A)
and your shitty questions and her shitty answers proved that how? she's been presenting (at least online, mentally, etc.) as a woman for as long as she's been here. she tries to understand womanhood, and she's made steps towards transitioning. she's never once, afaik, expressed regret or apprehension regarding her identity. All I see from you ITT is abusive questioning and obnoxious unwarranted self-confidence
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 7 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,638
@previous (G)
It did, admittedly, become a bit abusive when she refused and/or was incapable of answering simple questions and started getting uppity.
But she kept clicking the topic and responding, so she must have been getting something out of it.
(Edited 43 seconds later.)
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,639
@previous (A)
Catherine responds to anything! it's like bullying a child
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,642
@previous (G)
Catherine actually chooses not to reply whenever it suits her.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,643
@866,638 (A)
I stated this above. I was trying to answer your questions with an honest heart, but it's weird summarizing up a lifetime of feelings that would only be a repeat of what I told my therapist. Plus in the end, it's just talking to some random stranger online who most likely than not lacks an understanding about such subjects whereas a therapist is trained to make a diagnosis and understand such subjects better. So my apologies if I wasn't able to provide you a clear-cut answer.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,645
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I never asked for your life story, though. I only asked about your feelings of dysphoria. You launched into that shit on your own while not even answering the question.
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,646
> Catherine actually chooses not to reply whenever it suits her.
oh yeah. she ignores most of my questions you're right
Anonymous G double-posted this 8 years ago, 27 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,647
@866,643 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
omg you said it again. called it
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 8 years ago, 24 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,654
@866,645 (A)
Everyone is different and something like gender dysphoria isn’t uniform for everyone diagnosed with it. In order for me to explain my position on it I felt it necessary that you knew a bit about me since my experience with it would differ from someone else. I could have gave you a textbook definition, but I thought you wanted a more personalized answer.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#866,657
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I don't think you even understand what gender dysphoria is. You still haven't talked about your experience with it.
It's like this entire transgenderism thing is entirely intellectual for you. Tell us about your feelings.