Topic: In the movie "Bruce Almighty", when the rule of not interferring with free will was laid out.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM started this discussion 8 years ago #72,269
Does this also include manipulation through means such as language? If I were given the powers of God then I would utilize them to write the most inspirational words that could manipulate others into a certain way of thinking much like we've been doing since the dawn of written language. I had to read the "I Have A Dream" speech and analyses the use of Pathos, Logos, and Ethos in it for an in-class assignment. That speech was really good at hitting on all three of them and managed to become the most memorable of any given speech in modern day America. It paved the way for change. So how come someone with God like powers couldn't utilized such abilities to write such amazing literature or speeches to sway free will without directly interfering with it?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #866,022
> I had to read the "I Have A Dream" speech
That explains your current obsession with black people.
That explains your current obsession with black people.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 20 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,023
Catherinedraad;dr
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 20 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,024
Jiggle deez nutz !cs3yt/Mi8w replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,027
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 54 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,028
@previous (Jiggle deez nutz !cs3yt/Mi8w)
True, indeed he was, but what does that have to do with me admiring the man?
True, indeed he was, but what does that have to do with me admiring the man?
Bon Vivant !MX/CBOjsoM joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,032
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 50 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,036
Jiggle deez nutz !cs3yt/Mi8w replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,037
@866,028 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Your response to this @866,022 (B)
You're obsessed with king, alas, blacks.
Your response to this @866,022 (B)
You're obsessed with king, alas, blacks.
Dante !a6/9fF6Eqg double-posted this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,038
@866,032 (Bon Vivant !MX/CBOjsoM)Cracka, again, choo ain't black. Quit tryna become a brutha, something choo will neva be.
owen joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 38 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,040
you know it is not just about being black, but endleessss execution of PROGRAMS
by a voice i don't know
by a voice i don't know
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,041
are u on meth
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 7 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,042
it just never stops
owen double-posted this 8 years ago, 30 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,043
extremely human programs to the point of becoming a machine human
none of you would understand
none of you would understand
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,044
@OP
What is your interest in 'swaying free will'?
What is your interest in 'swaying free will'?
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 3 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,045
catherine if you really want to investigate machine programming by GOD
go visit
freenode
#rschizophrenia
go visit
freenode
#rschizophrenia
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 56 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,046
Because God doesn't have hands to write with, he has to use people by proxy and most people aren't going to come up with the best possible choice of words to have the greatest impact. If they simply write down exactly what he says, then he's basically interfering with their lives by telling them what to write and not leaving it up to their own free will (and this is completely ignoring the fact that conversing with them counts as interference).
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,047
you do not understand i am fully coded, i have no self anymore .. all is shattered
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,048
If you are an omnipotent god and everything you do is perfect, then any attempt you make to sway people would be perfect and perfectly accomplish exactly what you intended. Any attempt to sway only some people would amount to you intentionally setting some people up to disbelieve. Since being omnipotent would give you power to be omniscient too, then you already know how what you're going to make happen will turn out and you live in a universe devoid of any cause or effect except your will. If you are an omnipotent god, then there is no free will but yours.
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 59 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,049
my actual condition is a psychotic personally structure
that is how it started .... the personality itself is psychotic
that is how it started .... the personality itself is psychotic
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 35 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,050
@866,046 (G)Fair enough, but I was mostly referring to the movie where God is clearly portrayed as having a human body.
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 9 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,051
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 35 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,053
the structure ... i have about 1500 hard coded personalities
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 58 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,055
@866,050 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
The film made it clear that was how god chose to appear to him. He doesn't have a human body, you're thinking of Jesus.
The film made it clear that was how god chose to appear to him. He doesn't have a human body, you're thinking of Jesus.
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 6 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,056
i pulled the plug when i started extorting god with harming myself
and stopped coding them
and stopped coding them
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 28 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,057
@866,048 (H)
Now I think I understand why Morgan Freeman made that rule to Jim Carrey. Thank you.
It's because if he tries to sway humanity then he would be successful at it so the only way to not sway them is by not interfering, right?
Now I think I understand why Morgan Freeman made that rule to Jim Carrey. Thank you.
It's because if he tries to sway humanity then he would be successful at it so the only way to not sway them is by not interfering, right?
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 21 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,058
all that is left is a petty arsonist
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 31 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,059
@866,055 (B)
Good point, but that wouldn't mean Jim couldn't do this since he was human prior to getting the God powers, right?
Good point, but that wouldn't mean Jim couldn't do this since he was human prior to getting the God powers, right?
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 22 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,060
and a desire for vengeance to humans for all the pain they put me trough, yet also a profound love
Anonymous G replied with this 8 years ago, 24 seconds later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,061
@866,050 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I only saw it when it was new, so I don't have much memory as to what went on in it beyond "Morgan Freeman gives Jim Carey (I think?) the God powers".
I only saw it when it was new, so I don't have much memory as to what went on in it beyond "Morgan Freeman gives Jim Carey (I think?) the God powers".
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 46 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,062
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 16 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,063
i swear to god, catherine, god is now extorting me all the time for more personalities
owen double-posted this 8 years ago, 23 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,064
but i refuse, so i burn all the expensive shit i got to extort him back
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 2 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,070
@866,061 (G)
If memory serves me right. The movie was about this guy, portrayed by Jim Carrey, who starts to bad mouth God so God meets him and says that he could try being God for a day just so he can better empathize with Him. The one condition he gives him is that he cannot mess with free will, but other than that he could use his new abilities for whatever he so wished. For example, parting a bowl of tomato soup. The movie is about him having to deal with so many prayers across the world that it became too hard to distinguish each individual prayer. This lead him to have all prayers directed to him through e-mail mostly for comedic effect, but he doesn't keep up them since his inbox is always full. I'm honestly surprised that I remember quite a bit from this movie since it's been a while since I saw it and that includes the showings on TV. I guess I liked the film.
If memory serves me right. The movie was about this guy, portrayed by Jim Carrey, who starts to bad mouth God so God meets him and says that he could try being God for a day just so he can better empathize with Him. The one condition he gives him is that he cannot mess with free will, but other than that he could use his new abilities for whatever he so wished. For example, parting a bowl of tomato soup. The movie is about him having to deal with so many prayers across the world that it became too hard to distinguish each individual prayer. This lead him to have all prayers directed to him through e-mail mostly for comedic effect, but he doesn't keep up them since his inbox is always full. I'm honestly surprised that I remember quite a bit from this movie since it's been a while since I saw it and that includes the showings on TV. I guess I liked the film.
owen replied with this 8 years ago, 42 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,072
honey, free will has long ago left the country
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 5 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,082
@866,070 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
it suprises you that you can remember basic details of a film you have seen multiple times?
it suprises you that you can remember basic details of a film you have seen multiple times?
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 1 minute later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #866,084
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #866,098
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #866,104
Anonymous H replied with this 8 years ago, 52 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #866,146
@866,057 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> the only way to not sway them is by not interfering, right?
I don't know how deeply the writers thought about that, but what you said sounds good. Introducing omnipotence into a story is kind of like introducing time travel or prophecy or any other paradox-laden concept. It might work fine a story-telling device, but you have to suspend some disbelief in order to appreciate the story.
> the only way to not sway them is by not interfering, right?
I don't know how deeply the writers thought about that, but what you said sounds good. Introducing omnipotence into a story is kind of like introducing time travel or prophecy or any other paradox-laden concept. It might work fine a story-telling device, but you have to suspend some disbelief in order to appreciate the story.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #866,270
Anonymous B replied with this 8 years ago, 59 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #866,293
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
The God in that movie was not Omnipotent, so keep looking for your perfect answer, fucktard.
The fact that he discusses the existence of free will at all should tell you that.
The God in that movie was not Omnipotent, so keep looking for your perfect answer, fucktard.
The fact that he discusses the existence of free will at all should tell you that.
Catherine !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 8 years ago, 40 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #866,303
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 8 years ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #866,334
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
You do realize God threw up a little in His mouth when you declared your quest to change your gender, right?
You do realize God threw up a little in His mouth when you declared your quest to change your gender, right?